The Major Discrepancy Between Ezekiel and Johns New Jerusalem.

Truth7t7

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Sure I can, because you cannot just limit that to the Rev.20 Scripture, simply because other Bible Scripture exists to declare that kingdom when Jesus returns, and even where...

Zech 14:3-9
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.


9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.

KJV

Zechariah 14 is the eternal kingdom, no mortal humans are found.

You fail to believe Gods "Clear Words" in Matthew 25:31-46, you ignore response "why"

You state in your post "Jesus Will Return One Time" but you want to have a kingdom on earth with unsaved mortal humans present, why?

Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the Lake Of Fire, "All Unsaved Humans" are gone!

Verse 46 The righteous Obtain Eternal Life and Enter The Eternal Kingdom, In Verse 34

Only The Righteous Enter The Kingdom In Verse 34
 
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Sorry, I cannot accept your unfounded belief in a future fleshy existence in God's future Kingdom.

And it only takes one single Scripture from Apostle Paul to Biblically prove your future fleshy resurrection is false...

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


So before you go around saying what I showed from Paul there is not The Word of God, you might want to study more.
You are not comparing Scripture with Scripture and are
Isolating that passage by Paul and making up a stand alone doctrine that is not supported in the Word.
The heavenly Man is flesh and blood, without corruption.
He wears His body like a garment, which He put on at the incarnation. He is in it and eats and drinks in it and promised to eat Passover with His disciples in the Kingdom of God in that same body of New man creation
The earthly man/Adam, is flesh and blood, corrupted irrevocably.
The second Man is the heavenly Man.
He is from heaven in that body of second human being creation which was made brand new in the womb of the virgin for God the Word to dress in, so as to be the Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam, and ransom the lost kingdom back, for the Glory.
The restoration is just that, the restoration of all that we lost in the fall of Adam.

Adam was made in the very image, bodily, of God the Word, who was to come and is come, in the exact kind of body God made Adam with, but without sin, and He has promised to write His New name on the flesh of our regenerated bodies, and to be our "Everlasting Father" and never leave us or forsake us, as our first father, Adam, had to do because of corruption.
 
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Zechariah 14 is the eternal kingdom, no mortal humans are found.

You fail to believe Gods "Clear Words" in Matthew 25:31-46, you ignore response "why"

You state in your post "Jesus Will Return One Time" but you want to ha e a kingdom on earth with unsaved mortal humans present, why?

Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with

I don't think you understand the idea of mortality right after Christ's return and establishing of His Kingdom on this earth.

Rev.20 speaks of those not of the first resurrection being subject to the "second death". In that future time, that is the only... type of death remaining.

The "spiritual body" Paul taught in 1 Cor.15, i.e., the "image of the heavenly", is the resurrection body. And the wicked dead are raised to the "resurrection of damnation" also on the day of Jesus' return (John 5:28-29).

So though those spiritually 'dead' won't be in flesh bodies, but in resurrected spiritual bodies, they will still be LIABLE TO DIE at the "second death". That means their resurrection body with soul going into the future "lake of fire" at the end of the Rev.20 thousand years. Now there's the real idea of 'mortal' for that future time after Christ's return.
 
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That means their resurrection body with soul going into the future "lake of fire" at the end of the Rev.20 thousand years.

Because we have the return of Christ in Revelation 16:15-16 and also in Revelation 19, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.


The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet, in Revelation 11:15.

The time of the judgment of the dead is found in Revelation 11:18 and also at the end of Revelation chapter 20.

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

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You are not comparing Scripture with Scripture and are
Isolating that passage by Paul and making up a stand alone doctrine that is not supported in the Word.
The heavenly Man is flesh and blood, without corruption.
He wears His body like a garment, which He put on at the incarnation. He is in it and eats and drinks in it and promised to eat Passover with His disciples in the Kingdom of God in that same body of New man creation
The earthly man/Adam, is flesh and blood, corrupted irrevocably.
He is from heaven in that body of second human being creation

That's silly reasoning.

When Paul emphatically said flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, there is no other valid replacement clause given that would support your theory. Either you accept what Paul said as written, or you don't. It's apparent you don't.

Not only did Paul explain the why and how flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom of God in that 1 Cor.15 chapter, he even defined the TYPE OF BODY the resurrection is...

1 Cor 15:42-46
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
KJV

Paul defined the resurrection body as that "spiritual body", even using that idea of "a quickening spirit".


1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.


49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

KJV

Thus there is plenty more Scripture evidence there in 1 Cor.15 which Paul left us so we'd understand what type of body the resurrection is, showing us clearly it is not one of flesh, but "a spiritual body", which he also called the "image of the heavenly". And he said as we have borne the image of the earthy, which of course means a flesh type body of today, we shall also bear that image of the heavenly, which is what kind of body? A spiritual body, a body similar to the angels.

That's why Jesus said this to the fleshy thinking Pharisees...

Mark 12:25
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
KJV
 
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Because we have the return of Christ in Revelation 16:15-16 and also in Revelation 19, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.


The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet, in Revelation 11:15.

The time of the judgment of the dead is found in Revelation 11:18 and also at the end of Revelation chapter 20.

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

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I have never disagreed that Christ's Book of Revelation is not all... in chronological order. I agree with that, which is why we must understand the events being given in the seals, trumpets, and vials, and not get trapped into thinking it happens exactly in the order which John saw and wrote it down.

This is why I declare the final events of the 6th seal, the 7th trumpet, and 7th vial are all about the same timing of Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord". Now just because Rev.11 after the 7th trumpet mentions events set to occur later after His future thousand years reign, does not mean that happens immediately with that 7th trumpet.

But with the events of the 7th vial, those events do... occur immediately right then with the 7th vial being poured out into the air.

What's the difference? The difference is the type of events and the order given in other Bible Scripture that reveals more as to when those certain events will take place. Matt.25 doesn't mention a thousand years reign by Christ and His elect immediately after His return, but Rev.20 does mention it, which Revelation was given later by Jesus to the Churches.

If you build a ship can you leave the rudder out? No, because it wouldn't be a ship but just a float, because you couldn't steer it. Likewise in study of God's Word, we must strive to study all God's Word so we don't mistakenly leave out an important revealing that helps to properly understand more of the subject written throughout God's Word in other Books and Chapters.
 
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The meaning of the name "Zadok" is 'The Just'. Jesus is King of The Just (or righteous). That's who the Zadok of that future time in the Ezekiel vision is about. They represent Christ's priests, not a flesh bloodline.

The question is why would God showed the future time temple which dont belong to those Hebrew in captivity ? If they wouldnt have such a Temple why would God show it to them ???
 
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Matt.25 doesn't mention a thousand years reign by Christ and His elect immediately after His return, but Rev.20 does mention it, which Revelation was given later by Jesus to the Churches.

The same Jesus who stands outside of time and space gave both passages.
They must agree with each other.
In Matthew 25 we find that the sheep and goat judgment occurs at the Second Coming of Christ.
This agrees with 2 Timothy 4:1.
If it does not agree with your interpretation of Revelation chapter 20, your interpretation of the passage is wrong.

The nations, and wrath, and the time of the judgment of the dead are all found in Revelation 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever".
This agrees with both Matthew 25:31-46 and 2 Timothy 4:1, but not with your interpretation of Revelation chapter 20.

The 1,000 years of Revelation chapter 20 is symbolic of the Church Age, in the same way that the "chain" in the passage is symbolic rather than being a chain made of steel.
The "first resurrection" of the "souls" that John saw in heaven with Christ, is found in John 5:24.
Based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1, Christ returns in "flaming fire".
The fire comes at the end of Revelation chapter 20.



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The 7th trumpet is not showing the 1000 years, but a message made in heaven as to when the 24 elders/elect angels/will lose their seats as co-rulers in heaven. Jesus Christ will come back as in Isaiah 2 - exalted alone-and the wicked will hide in the rocks -for fear of Him and His glory. At the time of Him coming in glory is when we shall be like Him.
The 7th trump is the 2nd coming, end of this world.

The 2nd coming, end of this world occurs "Several Times" in the book of Revelation.

Barean has shown you "Several Times" of this fact.

The book is taught in parallel teachings of the same event.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verse 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

Verse 46 The Righteous Obtain "Eternal Life" And Enter The "Eternal Kingdom" In Verse 34

There Is No Earthly Kingdom Of 1000 Years At The Return Of Jesus Christ.

"The Eternal Kingdom Has Started"! For Ever And Ever!
 
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Matthew 25:31-46

Verse 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

Verse 46 The Righteous Obtain "Eternal Life" And Enter The "Eternal Kingdom" In Verse 34

There Is No Earthly Kingdom Of 1000 Years At The Return Of Jesus Christ.

"The Eternal Kingdom Has Started"! For Ever And Ever!
The elect angels will not be co-rulers at the return of Jesus Christ, but right now-we are still charged by them. Paul warned of this. The kingdoms of the world change rulership some at the 7th trumpet, and that is what the announcement in heaven is about. The kingdoms have not yet been conquered at that point as to the wicked are done ruling on the earth. The 7th trumpet only starts the time of the wrath of God comes/ being announced. The vials are all full of His wrath and have yet to be poured out.

This is why the trumpets end and later in Rev. 8 that same set of seven angels shows up again - as they will soon begin the vials of His wrath being poured out.
Rev. 8- the seven angels
as in -already been shown to John and told about to his readers before this point

Revelation 18:2 is when Babylon will be seen as a cage of birds and this shows the place that God will soon punish.
Israel leaves first from there. -so as not to receive of her plagues/vials

We get the trumpets story in Rev. 8. but they are already over before this point. The great tribulation plagues ended in Rev. 7. Men then entered into the temple.
Revelation 15 ends showing that they could not enter util the seven plagues of the seven angels end.

seven plagues....Babylon is seen as a cage...vials full...the seven last plagues...

This is why one of the seven angels is referred to as -had the seven last plagues - in Rev. 21. It is not time to then pour out a vial full, but John keeps track of subjects by what he saw them do before.
 
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The question is why would God showed the future time temple which dont belong to those Hebrew in captivity ? If they wouldnt have such a Temple why would God show it to them ???

It's to fulfill prophecy, because Ezekiel 40-47 is not the only OT Scripture which points to the future Millennial sanctuary. Zechariah 6 points to it, Daniel 9:24 with the anointing of the most holy points to it, Hag.2:7 points to it with filling that "house" with glory, and Mal.3:1-2, and then a favorite passage of some who don't realize it's pointing to the priest's abodes in the future sanctuary of Ezekiel...

John 14:2
2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

KJV

Someone in another post recently quoted Jesus in Matt.23 when He was telling the unbelieving Jews their house is left desolate, pointing to the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and obviously the continued desolations in Jerusalem all the way up to our time, since Christ has not returned yet to reestablish Israel as before per Ezek.37.

So there's a reason why the future sanctuary, or Father's house, is revealed for the future involving Jerusalem and future Israel. That is where God has chosen to put His Name and dwell forever. He is going to cleanse it and correct His people, as the future Millennium will not be a good ole' fun time for the majority, but a time many will stand in judgment like Ezek.44 shows. So evidently there must be a correction among those of Israel that led God's people astray which can just as much point to pastors in Christ's Church that have led His sheep astray.
 
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