Trump is in violation of the Canons of the Episcopal Church. He communes twice a year at an Episcopal Church in Palm Beach, Florida. By supporting an Amicus Curiae through the Justice Department in regards to the case before the Supreme Court, he is not upholding the Episcopal Church's baptismal covenant of seeking justice, and is subject to the discretionary discipline of the Episcopal Church. It is agaist the canons of the Episcopal Church to dicsriminate against gays in public services.
I welcome discussion on this subject. I personally think he should not be offered communion, because his behavior is not in conformity with the Christian faith as taught in the Episcopal Church or the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. What he is doing is an egregious sacrilege that cries out to heaven, to support discrimination in Jesus name.
The Episcopal Church should find other ways of providing pastoral support to him and his family, such as instruction and catechism in the Christian faith. The Body and Blood of Christ is for the faithful who desire "to live in love and charity with your neighbor".
If he could also cite where Jesus told His disciples to partake in or enable sin, that would be helpful too. I seem to recall Him being pretty big on the whole "sin no more" thing.Can you cite the exact canon he is violating, why the canon is applicable to him, and the specific actions he has taken that violate that canon? Not your personal interpretation of the baptismal covenant, please.
Can you cite the exact canon he is violating, why the canon is applicable to him, and the specific actions he has taken that violate that canon? Not your personal interpretation of the baptismal covenant, please.
The bakers have a good shot at winning based on the principle of free speech. Their cakes are works of art, and people ought not be compelled to make works of art that violate their artistic vision.
As far as Trump disrespecting Jesus by what he has to say on this, that is an extremely cryptic way of imagining reality to stretch a point that far.
If he could also cite where Jesus told His disciples to partake in or enable sin, that would be helpful too. I seem to recall Him being pretty big on the whole "sin no more" thing.
It is agaist the canons of the Episcopal Church to dicsriminate against gays in public services.
So when Jesus says “ sin no more” you think he’s really saying “don’t get caught”?
I find the portion quoted above suspect, considering Trump's spoken views on the subject. Trump has claimed to be a Presbyterian, but if that is the case, he is a liberal one at best.
Trump is in violation of the Canons of the Episcopal Church. He communes twice a year at an Episcopal Church in Palm Beach, Florida. By supporting an Amicus Curiae through the Justice Department in regards to the case before the Supreme Court, he is not upholding the Episcopal Church's baptismal covenant of seeking justice, and is subject to the discretionary discipline of the Episcopal Church. It is agaist the canons of the Episcopal Church to dicsriminate against gays in public services.
I welcome discussion on this subject. I personally think he should not be offered communion, because his behavior is not in conformity with the Christian faith as taught in the Episcopal Church or the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. What he is doing is an egregious sacrilege that cries out to heaven, to support discrimination in Jesus name.
The Episcopal Church should find other ways of providing pastoral support to him and his family, such as instruction and catechism in the Christian faith. The Body and Blood of Christ is for the faithful who desire "to live in love and charity with your neighbor".
So what exactly do you think Jesus means when he says "sin no more"? I mean no disrespect here, but if we can't even agree that God tells us not to sin (even though it's literally all throughout the Bible), Then everything else is kind of up for grabs. Telling us not to sin...it's kind of a big deal.Not necessarily. But we don't read this as a right to judge sinners indiscriminately. We should used discretion in how we point out the sins of others, or even if we do so at all. Which is one reason I sought input from other Christians on what our response should be.
So what exactly do you think Jesus means when he says "sin no more"?I'm a Lutheran which means I am primarily concerned with the Gospel and how it is articulated. The ethics of talking about sin, on the other hand, are not so straightforward, since it is possible to do a great deal of damage to faith in the name of upholding the Law. We have to be careful. Personally, I trust the wisdom of my denomination's theologians and seminaries in teaching our pastors to shepherd our flocks.
So what exactly do you think Jesus means when he says "sin no more"?
I am more than confident that the church and its rector know that he only shows up twice a year--just like some of the members of the parish. It doesn't matter anyway, since The Episcopal Church invites all baptized Christians of whatever denomination to commune at its altars.
I never said anything about bullying sinners, or calling them out for that matter. So please stay on track here."Stay out of trouble". The answer is in the context of the story, and that alone. This is not permission to bully sinners.
I don't believe in barring just anybody from the sacraments, but the Anglican principle of reserving the right to bar notorious public sinners makes more and more sense, and I'm not sure how it can withstand the "hospitality" emphasis that has become popular.
Surely not any baptised Christian, but ony those bapised with a trinitarian baptism.