The Law loses again..God must be angry!

[Doug Melven]

No, I have a restored soul.



No, my flesh is dead, crucified with Christ.



My spirit was first born from mans NATURAL seed.
Yes my born again spirit is from Gods Spiritual Seed.



I never said my soul or my body ARE or WILL BE "born again", neither does Scripture.

My soul is RESTORED, now being the same as when God BLEW into my nostrils.
My body is DEAD, now I live in Christ's RISEN Body, until MY DEAD IN CHRIST body is raised and changed.

I SUBMITTED, GAVE, my body, my soul, my spirit To Gods Control and Keeping with His POWER.
Not my Body, Not my Soul, Not my Spirit CAN EVER AGAIN SIN AGAINST GOD!



That does not apply to me. I was sanctified WHOLLY, and made WHOLLY WHOLE, by the Power of God.
However IF that applies to you, you have NOT BEEN MADE WHOLE, as you say, ONLY your spirit.
However when the Lord returns to redeem those that are HIS, that would be, those who are WHOLE.

1 Thes 5

1. [23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

One can not be "preserved" blameless.....if they have not become WHOLLY WHOLE.

God Bless,
SBC

Does your dead body still require food and sleep?
Do you ever overeat or oversleep?

If it were not possible for us to sin, John would not have asked his little children to sin not and if they did sin he told them they had an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sheep ;


Sheep and Goats

Matthew 25

The Final Judgment

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,f you did it to me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Works

Hebrews 13

20Now may the God of peace, having brought out from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep, our Lord Jesus, by the blood of the eternal covenant, 21equip you in everything good, in order to do His will, working in us that which is well pleasing before Him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory to the ages of the ages. Amen.

The point, please. I may agree, but it was a bit vague.

 

[Ken Rank]

Please interact with the fact that crosses were never used as a means of disposing of laws, but what was written on crosses were the charges against the person being crucified. The charge that was against Jesus that was announcing the reason why he was being crucified was that he was the King of the Jews. Likewise, our sins violations of the Law are nailed to his cross to announce the reason why he was being crucified, and he died in our place to pay the penalty of our sins. Nothing is Colossians 2:14 is speaking about any of God's Laws being done away with, ceremonial or otherwise. God holiness and his instructions for how to act in accordance with His holiness have not been done away with and there is nothing that Jesus said about his death to indicate that.

Outstanding! What was nailed to the cross that stood against us, was the GUILTY VERDICT... that which said we were worthy of death. What was NOT nailed to the cross was 'do not steal' or 'do not engage in homosexual acts.' What is sin and what is not sin STILL applies or else, by definition... we are lawless.

If the Law were not still in effect, then it could not prevent Jesus from being a priest if he were on earth and there would not still be ongoing offerings that were in accordance with the Law (Hebrews 8:4). Furthermore, it was not just anyone who was continuing to make offerings, but Paul did in Acts 18:18 as part of taking a Nazarite vow, and again in Acts 21:20-24 at the direction of James in order to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against the Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. In addition, the Bible prophecies a time when a third temple will be rebuilt and the offerings will resume (Ezekiel 44-46).

If the law were not in effect there would be no reason for grace. It is the law that we fall short of, it is the law that declares we need grace... thus without the law we have no reason for grace.

 

[Ken Rank]

Does your dead body still require food and sleep?
Do you ever overeat or oversleep?

If it were not possible for us to sin, John would not have asked his little children to sin not and if they did sin he told them they had an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous.

Great points. Some cry out with a lack of understanding, "but there is neither male nor female" and yet my wife still gives birth, not me. I can still stand for #1, she can't. We have NOT been perfected yet and some statements are metaphoric... like "death of flesh."

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Indeed, they could build the temple at any time, but they refuse to do so through violence, which puts it squarely in the hands of God's timetable because that will take a miracle.

Trying to build the temple at the damnable dome of the rock will not go down well with Muslims .some claim it will be the antichrist that will pull this off

 

[Kenny'sID]

20Now may the God of peace, having brought out from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep, our Lord Jesus, by the blood of the eternal covenant, 21equip you in everything good, in order to do His will, working in us that which is well pleasing before Him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory to the ages of the ages. Amen.

Yes, his will working in us because we allow it, and between that spirit of God that we accept into our lives and ourselves, good things happen.

 

[Ken Rank]

Trying to build the temple at the damnable dome of the rock will not go down well with Muslims .some claim it will be the antichrist that will pull this off

But, if it is God's will.... (and I am not saying it is or isn't)

 

[Soyeong]

Trying to build the temple at the damnable dome of the rock will not go down well with Muslims .some claim it will be the antichrist that will pull this off

The antichrist is not the one who will bring back the daily offerings, but the one who will put a stop to them (Daniel 9:27).

 

[SBC]

1 John 1:8

I speak not of the “cloak” of grace, but the humanity underneath.

God Bless

What's up with this?

1 John 1: 8 says nothing about "cloak", grace, humanity, or underneath.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

But, if it is God's will.... (and I am not saying it is or isn't)

I think God will use Satan to carry out the negative side of Gods overall plan for mankind....as He has always done..IMHO

 

[Soyeong]

Outstanding! What was nailed to the cross that stood against us, was the GUILTY VERDICT... that which said we were worthy of death. What was NOT nailed to the cross was 'do not steal' or 'do not engage in homosexual acts.' What is sin and what is not sin STILL applies or else, by definition... we are lawless.

Indeed, it wouldn't make any sense for God to do away with His righteous standard.

If the law were not in effect there would be no reason for grace. It is the law that we fall short of, it is the law that declares we need grace... thus without the law we have no reason for grace.

According to Psalms 119:29, David asked God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so God shows His grace to us by teaching us how to walk in His ways. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves being trained by grace to do things that are in accordance with the Law, so it is because we fall short that we need to be trained by grace to obey, and to say that God's Law is not in effect is also to say that God's grace is not in effect.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

The antichrist is not the one who will bring back the daily offerings, but the one who will put a stop to them (Daniel 9:27).

Yes....Starting out as the “man of peace” he will do many things that look great and are pleasing at first....remember—-the overwhelming majority of the world will love him....but then he will reveal his true self and declare himself to be god...Satan still wants that “worship ” that Jesus would not give him in the wilderness temptation. It is what Satan has always wanted...}
“ I will be like the most high”

 

[Doug Melven]

Can you simply answer the two questions in normal foremat? No?

That was not simple? I brought the Scripture out and showed what He was referring to.

I just checked my dictionary and "good" means something other than "believing", as does "evil" mean something other than not believing. Look it up.

What is "Good" in God's eyes is not the same as man sees it.

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Paul told the jailer to believe in Jesus and he would be saved.
Jesus said if we believed in Him we would everlasting life. But if we didn't believe, we would be condemned.
What about works?
If our salvation was dependent on our works (plural) then we could boast.
But verse 10 says God created us to do good works. The good works are evidence.
The evidence is for other people, not God. God knows the heart.
The Corinthians were living in open sin, but they were still saved. See 1 Corinthians 3.
The Prodigal son, though he was a great sinner, he never stopped being a son.
Am I saying let's just go and sin. NO, a thousand times NO.
Sin is evil, it will do things to you, it will cost you a lot.
Why on earth would we want to eat pigs food?
You'll still be a child of God, that won't change, but you will definitely not be walking in the blessings God has for you.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

The antichrist is not the one who will bring back the daily offerings, but the one who will put a stop to them (Daniel 9:27).

I think as the ruler of the planet he will give permission for the sacrifices and later pull the rug out from underneath the Jews

 

[SBC]

I read some of his posts.
Unless things have changed, I think he thinks (he posted long ago) he cannot sin, or maybe cannot be wrong or maybe cannot make a mistake.
Let's see what he thinks today....

My thinking is the same today ~ I can not stand against God.

 

[Soyeong]

I think as the ruler of the planet he will give permission for the sacrifices and later pull the rug out from underneath the Jews

You're free to think that if you'd like as long as you recognize that there is no biblical support for that.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That was not simple? I brought the Scripture out and showed what He was referring to.

Then I guess the answer was no, you cannot answer and that was your way if evading the question.....not uncommon.

What is "Good" in God's eyes is not the same as man sees it.

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Paul told the jailer to believe in Jesus and he would be saved.
Jesus said if we believed in Him we would everlasting life. But if we didn't believe, we would be condemned.
What about works?
If our salvation was dependent on our works (plural) then we could boast.
But verse 10 says God created us to do good works. The good works are evidence.
The evidence is for other people, not God. God knows the heart.
The Corinthians were living in open sin, but they were still saved. See 1 Corinthians 3.
The Prodigal son, though he was a great sinner, he never stopped being a son.
Am I saying let's just go and sin. NO, a thousand times NO.
Sin is evil, it will do things to you, it will cost you a lot.
Why on earth would we want to eat pigs food?
You'll still be a child of God, that won't change, but you will definitely not be walking in the blessings God has for you.

You blatantly added to/changed the word of God and post all day long trying to defend that if you like, you still cannot make the untruthful true.

 

[Grip Docility]

What's up with this?

1 John 1: 8 says nothing about "cloak", grace, humanity, or underneath.

God Bless,
SBC

Friend, we the Sinners are declared “Sinless”... because the “Sinless” became all sin for us.

We are indeed dead... in the Tomb... as it is He that is Alive.

But... Per 1 John 1:8 ... we must be honest that we all struggle with Sin. There is no value to hypocrisy or claims of a Sinless life. We are to confess our sins one to another.

If you claim to be without sin, apart from symantics and Jesus... you do so with knowledge of yourself and 1 John 1:8

 

[Ken Rank]

According to Psalms 119:29, David asked God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so God shows His grace to us by teaching us how to walk in His ways. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves being trained by grace to do things that are in accordance with the Law, so it is because we fall short that we need to be trained by grace to obey, and to say that God's Law is not in effect is also to say that God's grace is not in effect.

I would argue Soyeong, that Matthew 5:17 is telling us that the idea of "fulfill" is more in lines with making known God's intent to it's fullness... and in doing so, Yeshua becomes the model we can follow.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

That was not simple? I brought the Scripture out and showed what He was referring to.


What is "Good" in God's eyes is not the same as man sees it.

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Paul told the jailer to believe in Jesus and he would be saved.
Jesus said if we believed in Him we would everlasting life. But if we didn't believe, we would be condemned.
What about works?
If our salvation was dependent on our works (plural) then we could boast.
But verse 10 says God created us to do good works. The good works are evidence.
The evidence is for other people, not God. God knows the heart.
The Corinthians were living in open sin, but they were still saved. See 1 Corinthians 3.
The Prodigal son, though he was a great sinner, he never stopped being a son.
Am I saying let's just go and sin. NO, a thousand times NO.
Sin is evil, it will do things to you, it will cost you a lot.
Why on earth would we want to eat pigs food?
You'll still be a child of God, that won't change, but you will definitely not be walking in the blessings God has for you.

C’mon Doug ! As believers in faith plus nothing and since the Grace of God covers all of our sins,let’s go out and”rape,ravage ,and plunder”! We can “sin and get away with it!”—-the ignorant,pervasive nightmare of legalists everywhere. It just kills them to think that somebody is out there having “fun” by sinning and “getting away” with it...for the last %&#(#&# Time let me try to make this CLEAR. I HATE SIN! When I sin I do NOT “get away with it! Along with my freedom in Christ has come a severe chastisement when I abuse that freedom.The Holy Spirit changes me from the inside out.The Holy Spirit has changed my “wants”——I have no desire to smoke,drink ,cuss,chase skirts,etc. etc. etc. these former things that used to give me pleasure make me sick now that I am born again.what gives me pleasure these days is being kind to people.....that means everybody....not just my friends...that ain’t the way I used to be....if you knew me and my past life you would be jolted by the change God has done in me.while we are are at it....I LOVE THE COMMANDMENTS of God....they were given for our benefit—when I obey them ,I am the beneficiary ....when I don’t follow them , I am the one that pays the price..God gave them because he loves us,not so He could be the “fun police” and He could be the great Cosmic Kill-Joy just waiting to throw us into the gaping jaws of Hell .people need to understand that trying to keep the law does not justify us before God.Faith—- believing the promises of God— is what saves.Faith Inthe One God sent is what saves.Coming to our Father with a contrite heart , admitting we are bankrupt sinners in need of a Saviour . that is what God is looking for.Turn to him (repent) and HE will finish the work He started....you will “find” yourself
Doing a lot of the things the legalists try to cram down you throat. “The man who finds life will find it by trusting
God” . Trust does not always follow obedience....but obedience WILL ALWAYS follow trust. Trust God....don’t put the cart before the horse..God bless

 

[Grip Docility]

C’mon Doug ! As believers in faith plus nothing and since the Grace of God covers all of our sins,let’s go out and”rape,ravage ,and plunder”! We can “sin and get away with it!”—-the ignorant,pervasive nightmare of legalists everywhere. It just kills them to think that somebody is out there having “fun” by sinning and “getting away” with it...for the last %&#(#&# Time let me try to make this CLEAR. I HATE SIN! When I sin I do NOT “get away with it! Along with my freedom in Christ has come a severe chastisement when I abuse that freedom.The Holy Spirit changes me from the inside out.The Holy Spirit has changed my “wants”——I have no desire to smoke,drink ,cuss,chase skirts,etc. etc. etc. these former things that used to give me pleasure make me sick now that I am born again.what gives me pleasure these days is being kind to people.....that means everybody....not just my friends...that ain’t the way I used to be....if you knew me and my past life you would be jolted by the change God has done in me.while we are are at it....I LOVE THE COMMANDMENTS of God....they were given for our benefit—when I obey them ,I am the beneficiary ....when I don’t follow them , I am the one that pays the price..God gave them because he loves us,not so He could be the “fun police” and He could be the great Cosmic Kill-Joy just waiting to throw us into the gaping jaws of Hell .people need to understand that trying to keep the law does not justify us before God.Faith—- believing the promises of God— is what saves.Faith Inthe One God sent is what saves.Coming to our Father with a contrite heart , admitting we are bankrupt sinners in need of a Saviour . that is what God is looking for.Turn to him (repent) and HE will finish the work He started....you will “find” yourself
Doing a lot of the things the legalists try to cram down you throat. “The man who finds life will find it by trusting
God” . Trust does not always follow obedience....but obedience WILL ALWAYS follow trust. Trust God....don’t put the cart before the horse..God bless

That’s not what He’s saying! In fact faith alone leads to works of the Spirit. They are acts of love and growth that slowly replace the rot in our life.

We alone know how far He’s taken us. The work will remain incomplete until death.

Faith alone and Love are what Doug is saying. The license to sin argument is a bad gig and a misrepresentation of Doug and Paul!

Faith, Hope and Love! Without Love, we are noting.