Another Trump Victory!

[expos4ever]

Praise the Risen Lord Jesus Christ!

I agree. We can praise God that despite the bigotry of many of Mr. Trump's followers, Jesus remains the true King.

 

[expos4ever]

Justice prevails. We may have country yet.

How? Given there is no actual evidence to support the claim that Muslims are a threat, how are ban supporters not racists or xenophobes?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

While not really overly liberal or an anti-Trumper, I do find many American Christian's latching onto of political figures very odd. They constantly speak about not being worldly, but are neck deep in it with their combination of patriotism and Christianity.

Donald Trump was unlike the typical partisan candidate since even the GOP establishment was fighting against him at times. He was an outsider, almost like a third party candidate. And he even got the votes of a lot of the same ones who voted for Obama in 2012.

"When have we ever seen a single individual who has so defied expectations, broken the rules, violated norms, beaten not one but two political parties on the way to winning an election that he entered with 100 to 1 odds against him? I don't think that we have ever seen one person operating in such an unconvential way have an impact on the events of the year." - Nancy Gibbs, TIME magazine​

Christians who support President Trump know that no president is perfect. But Trump's promise to help the Pro-Life effort, his bold Pro-Life stance, is one of the reasons why I voted for him. Here's what Kellyanne Conway said about it during the campaign (at 4:52):

Another reason I voted for Trump is the strong stand he took against ISIS. Instead of coddling ISIS the way the Obama administration did, Trump's intention was to decimate them, which he did.

And President Trump has been great for the economy.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

...better yet, explain to me clearly why the US needs more Muslims.

The US doesn't make a distinction of religious beliefs when deciding to admit people into the country.

We simply cannot discriminate based on the religious beliefs of people or we'd be abandoning our own ideals of religious freedom.

So we have to ask ourselves what's more important to us.... A little security or one of our most fundamental founding principles?

I know what my answer is... What's yours?

 

[HereIStand]

How? Given there is no actual evidence to support the claim that Muslims are a threat, how are ban supporters not racists or xenophobes?

Label all you want. Some people who happen to be a Muslim have been and are a threat.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Label all you want. Some people who happen to be a Muslim have been and are a threat.

Should we also stop Americans from becoming Muslims?

What vetting process can we put in place for that?

 

[HereIStand]

Should we also stop Americans from becoming Muslims?

Of course not.

 

[expos4ever]

Label all you want. Some people who happen to be a Muslim have been and are a threat.

And some blue-eyed corn-fed white Christians are a threat. Until you make a case that Muslims pose a greater threat than other demographics, racism and xenophobia are the only plausible explanations for supporting this ban.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Of course not.

Then i don't really see what problem is being solved by only preventing foreign Muslims from coming in.

Seems to me if the problem is with the religion itself then we should be trying to find ways to prevent anyone from practising it freely.

 

[expos4ever]

According to Wikipedia (I know, fake news right?), the academic literature shows that either immigration has no impact on crime, or it REDUCES it, albeit slightly. In the USA that is.

 

[HereIStand]

Then i don't really see what problem is being solved by only preventing foreign Muslims from coming in.

Seems to me if the problem is with the religion itself then we should be trying to find ways to prevent anyone from practising it freely.

All foreign Muslims only want to start round table discussions at Denney's on the five pillars of Islam. No wait, not all of them do.

 

[HereIStand]

According to Wikipedia (I know, fake news right?), the academic literature shows that either immigration has no impact on crime, or it REDUCES it, albeit slightly. In the USA that is.

Careful now. MS-13 is active in Toronto.

 

[expos4ever]

Careful now. MS-13 is active in Toronto.

Do you have any actual data to support your assertions? Again, failing credible data that Muslim immigrants pose a higher threat than other demographics, there is only one plausible explanation for your position on this issue.

 

[HereIStand]

Do you have any actual data to support your assertions? Again, failing credible data that Muslim immigrants pose a higher threat than other demographics, there is only one plausible explanation for your position on this issue.

If you want to wear ideological blinders, go for it.

 

[hislegacy]

Then i don't really see what problem is being solved by only preventing foreign Muslims from coming in.

Seems to me if the problem is with the religion itself then we should be trying to find ways to prevent anyone from practising it freely.

Here is the issue:

It is not a Muslim ban. That is a great sound bite, but it just not a Muslim ban.

EVERYONE from those countries is included in the ban for it to be accurately called a Muslim ban, only Muslims from those countries should be effected.

Again, good DNC sound bite, but hardly accurate

 

[wing2000]

If you want to wear ideological blinders, go for it.

That's rich.

I look forward to your statistical data demonstrating that Muslims present a higher risk to your personal safety than other immigrant groups.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Here is the issue:

It is not a Muslim ban. That is a great sound bite, but it just not a Muslim ban.

EVERYONE from those countries is included in the ban for it to be accurately called a Muslim ban, only Muslims from those countries should be effected.

Again, good DNC sound bite, but hardly accurate

The ban he got is not what he originally wanted and promised to his supporters.

What he originally promised his supporters was, and I quote and will link the video so you can argue with the President himself; "A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

So... Not just a sound bite.. It's what he actually wanted to do.

Now, that would obviously be illegal so he couldn't get what he promised but I think the intention is equally important here. He wants to ban Muslims. Probably not because he doesn't like them or thinks they are all a threat but because he knew just saying it would excite his supporters.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

All foreign Muslims only want to start round table discussions at Denney's on the five pillars of Islam. No wait, not all of them do.

I agree Islam is a horrible ideology and should be purged from the Earth along with any other oppressive, ancient Middle Eastern belief system we find incompatible with our free and secular society. I never thought Christians would support such a thing but, here we are.

 

[hislegacy]

The ban he got is not what he originally wanted and promised to his supporters.

What he originally promised his supporters was, and I quote and will link the video so you can argue with the President himself; "A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on

Do you read what you post?

 

[HereIStand]

I agree Islam is a horrible ideology and should be purged from the Earth along with any other oppressive, ancient Middle Eastern belief system we find incompatible with our free and secular society. I never thought Christians would support such a thing but, here we are.

Exactly, there's no middle ground between open borders and religious freedom. Never thought humanists would support such black and white thinking, but here we are.