This thread reminds me of a situation in the Middle East that could reach a tipping point long before such could happen in America. Most experts believe that at the present rate of population growth, Palestinian Muslims will eventually outnumber Jews, in Israel itself, possibly within a few decades. If and when this does happen, it would mean the end of the Jewish state as we now know it.
The following story is true, (which has been around for a while)
Gov. Dick Lamm’s speech at an 2004 “Immigration Overpopulation Conference” in Washington D.C. with Professor Victor Hansen Davis, author of “Mexifornia”, who commented on his book saying, “Immigration is destroying California, it will march across the country until it destroys America”
EIGHT WAYS BY Dick Lamm (although many other ways have been implemented as well)
"1. Turn it into a Bi-lingual or multi-lingual country. History shows that no country can survive this tension.
Scholar Seymour Lipset said, “The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.” Canada, Begium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed and ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.
2. Invent Mult-culturalism, encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
3. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricy and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'
4. I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'
5. Get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology...' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority.'
6. Include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is when they are not killing each other.A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.'
7. I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.'
8. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally, he said, 'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
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Following commentary reporter unknown:
"There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream."
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QUESTIONS:
Does anyone disagree that this is happening in the U.S. and why?
Can we honestly identify this as a socialist movement?
Do we see this happening in other countries?
Finally, is this the plan of the U.N. to gradually remove each countries sovereignty, redistribute wealth and eventually create a "Utopian" One World Government with the idea that then and only then can we have world peace, solve world hunger, where everyone has the same and we all get along and live happily ever after?
The world is already a global empire run by a few people who have global intentions of uniting the world, globally (for selfish reasons.) This is a milti-millenial plan that each generation sees as novelty - but in reality it is just the "fog of war," or downtime of a paradigm shift that has already happened.
There will be no more nations; a planetary government must be borderless.
There will be no more championship of philosophy and religion; a planetary government must not have a population with firm foundations in something other than the planetary nation.
There will be wars; depopulating a planet of 7,000,000,000 souls is necessary in order to decrease opposition and induce obedience through fear.
There will be alleged miraculous things, magics, and "new" technologies; a planetary nation must advance in the areas of science, metaphysics, and dimensional analysis in order to become a proper bastion of a larger interplanetary or galactic representation.
The "old" must be done away with, and the "new" must replace it - this means the science books will be rewritten, as well as history, anthropology, medical, literary and psychological texts must also we rewritten. Old science will be deemed obsolete and crude.
What is happening now is not only affecting America; it is affecting the world. The race war to come in the States, the economic collapse, war, etc. are inevitable - particularly because these have always been exploitable attributes of the country. But, it is no different than Chinese-Burmese oppressing ethnic Burmese, or apartheid, or war on abstractions (like Islam.) Indeed, the people who feed into these things are active participants in the consequential demise of all nations on this planet - for the purposes of building order out of the chaos.
This is just the beginning of the populations seeing the fall of nations as lofty as the States. The States (as well as the concept of bordered nations) ended in 1500s, and again in the late 1700s, and then again in the 1800s, and then again in the early 20th century, and then again in 2001, and then again in 2011... There is a new game already being played now.
God gave the English settlers who almost all happened to be Christian this land called the USA. Through our history empires conquered territories usually by force, expanding their empires and the winners of the wars took the spoils. Those who opposed it either eventually accepted it, were killed or they fleed to other territories.
We don't own anything, God owns all and He gives us stewardship to care for His planet. He told the Israelites to kill all the tribes who occupied the Promise land. Was that fair?
Take that up with Him. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." When in the USA, especially after many generations, ASSIMILATE. Those who do, fair well, those who rebel, end up fighting a war they can't win and end up unhappy, discontent victims of the system.
Frankly, all these worldly things you seem to feel were ripped off, are temporal and will pass, you need to concern yourself with eternal life, offered freely AND you don't even have to fight for it or work for it, it's a gift - just believe and receive it.
Like wolverine, Mickey is angry, he's also smoking, who knows what other bad habits he has. Victims feel violated, they respond sometimes in fear but sometimes they are in the front lines of Black lives matter, Occupy Wall St., Antifa - talk about violent people.
That's OK Obamacare offers free therapy and whatever drugs he needs.
I never said we could, that's unrealistic. I was just reflecting on the greatness that America once had, the unity, the values, the simpler life and in many ways better than today.
Take that up with Him. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." When in the USA, especially after many generations, ASSIMILATE. Those who do, fair well, those who rebel, end up fighting a war they can't win and end up unhappy, discontent victims of the system.
This thread reminds me of a situation in the Middle East that could reach a tipping point long before such could happen in America. Most experts believe that at the present rate of population growth, Palestinian Muslims will eventually outnumber Jews, in Israel itself, possibly within a few decades. If and when this does happen, it would mean the end of the Jewish state as we now know it.
Similar to the latest studies with statistics that white people living in America will be the minority by the year 2050. I'm curious to see how white people will be treated as a minority in this country.
Wado udohiyu utsati oginali (thank you very much, my friend). It's highly doubtful that this person speaks Tsalagi (Cherokee) or any of the hundreds of other native languages that survived the cultural genocide of forced assimilation and Christianizing in the American Indian Boarding Schools.
I'm feeling a certain vibe from all the people blaming diversity, immigration and lack of cultural unity as the cause of all the nations ills. I just can't seem to figure out what that vibe is though.
I'll just watch some cartoons and figure it out later.
I'm feeling a certain vibe from all the people blaming diversity, immigration and lack of cultural unity as the cause of all the nations ills. I just can't seem to figure out what that vibe is though.
I'll just watch some cartoons and figure it out later.
The world is already a global empire run by a few people who have global intentions of uniting the world, globally (for selfish reasons.) This is a milti-millenial plan that each generation sees as novelty - but in reality it is just the "fog of war," or downtime of a paradigm shift that has already happened.
There will be no more nations; a planetary government must be borderless.
There will be no more championship of philosophy and religion; a planetary government must not have a population with firm foundations in something other than the planetary nation.
There will be wars; depopulating a planet of 7,000,000,000 souls is necessary in order to decrease opposition and induce obedience through fear.
There will be alleged miraculous things, magics, and "new" technologies; a planetary nation must advance in the areas of science, metaphysics, and dimensional analysis in order to become a proper bastion of a larger interplanetary or galactic representation.
The "old" must be done away with, and the "new" must replace it - this means the science books will be rewritten, as well as history, anthropology, medical, literary and psychological texts must also we rewritten. Old science will be deemed obsolete and crude.
What is happening now is not only affecting America; it is affecting the world. The race war to come in the States, the economic collapse, war, etc. are inevitable - particularly because these have always been exploitable attributes of the country. But, it is no different than Chinese-Burmese oppressing ethnic Burmese, or apartheid, or war on abstractions (like Islam.) Indeed, the people who feed into these things are active participants in the consequential demise of all nations on this planet - for the purposes of building order out of the chaos.
This is just the beginning of the populations seeing the fall of nations as lofty as the States. The States (as well as the concept of bordered nations) ended in 1500s, and again in the late 1700s, and then again in the 1800s, and then again in the early 20th century, and then again in 2001, and then again in 2011... There is a new game already being played now.
Of course the downfall of the world system as a whole is taking place. The US scenario is just one of many, the most powerful one though.
God's sovereign and allowing this degradation and collapse. The Bible predicts it somewhat differently. Wars and rumors of wars, pestilence, famines, earthquakes in various places is the beginning of sorrows, not just another episode of many paradigm shifts, it's the final one, a premillenial judgment called the Great Tribulation Period in which 2/3 of the planet will die. Sin and evil need to be put down and the few people you say are in control are not, God is. He did not intend for mankind to suffer and struggle in a sinful world for eons without end. His plan is perfect and the signs are very evident. Jesus said, "This gospel of the kingdom of heaven will be preached to the entire world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14 This has just recently been accomplished.
The Middle East is on fire and His time will not wait decades for the increase of Islamic numbers to dominate Israel and the world -- God will intervene prior to that.
Your thought of Israel in peril is correct, but this will occur sooner than you think
Islamic nations surrounding her will attack her and they will be destroyed- that's also scriptural.
Sorry folks, fellow Republicans that is, but there won't be time for Trump to make America great again. Just enough time to beef the military and economy temporarily before WWIII. He was appointed mainly to prepare us and then engage. We needed someone with balls to press buttons without hesitation when the time comes.
But then again, I could be wrong. But 2018 is the year you come to when you add 1948 + 70 years (one generation), since Israel became a nation and that is when the clock started to tick.
Tick tock tick tock.
Thanks for your provocative thoughts.
What American Exceptionalism nonsense. It would be funny if it weren't so sad and pathetic. I can't say what I think of the god you worship because of the blasphemy rule, so you're lucky there.
I would disagree with the idea that the US was the most powerful of scenarios of world systems falling. Even though what is going on right now is incredibly sickening, and spiritually taxing, it is not the most powerful world system that has existed, nor will the fall of the States be the most impacting consequence of a paradigm shift. Off of the top of my head, I can name five world empires that have fallen - that make the States look like Vanuatu in terms of world power:
Sumer/Ur
Phoenecia
Babylon
Egypt
Israel
Keep in mind the tribulation has already been here; people have been butchered in increase. If 1000 y ears are like 1 day to God, then it has only been "two 'days'" for God - women spend weeks in labor sometimes, depending on the birth. This beast being "delivered" by "Earth" is a counterfeit projection of utopia and eternity with God. It is a lie, but we are also told that:
knowledge will increase
people will run to and fro
kingdoms will rise and fall
people will die (around 2/3 - about 23% less than what is considered "ideal")
Crops will die (Fukishima, GMOS)
Pestilence (Fukishima, GMOS)
Plague (Fukishima, GMOS, engineered biology)
destitution (exists in massive amounts in this age, and always has in some relatively marginal amount.)
Earthquakes, vulcanism, etc (energy wars)
Then, labor begins.
That is why when the the first four trumps are blown:
Celestial debris shower
Oceanic massive impact
The aftermath of "Deep Impact"
The revelation of "our binary dwarf star"
The angel tells us that destruction even more will befall the world - three more "woes." In a stream of consciousness, I have to laugh to keep from crying, because what we are seeing today is painfully common. We have no idea of the absolute destitution of spirit these coming "days" will bring. The History Channel has specials every week on the alleged "delightful tortures" from centuries past - the tribulation is here. It started a long time ago. The fall of the West, East, South and North is a commonplace consequence of the changing paradigm. It isn't special despite the amount of energy invested in the distractions.
God's sovereign and allowing this degradation and collapse. The Bible predicts it somewhat differently. Wars and rumors of wars, pestilence, famines, earthquakes in various places is the beginning of sorrows, not just another episode of many paradigm shifts, it's the final one, a premillenial judgment called the Great Tribulation Period in which 2/3 of the planet will die. Sin and evil need to be put down and the few people you say are in control are not, God is. He did not intend for mankind to suffer and struggle in a sinful world for eons without end. His plan is perfect and the signs are very evident. Jesus said, "This gospel of the kingdom of heaven will be preached to the entire world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14 This has just recently been accomplished.[\quote]
Pentecost made it so that every single person on this planet has a conscience, and will know what is right and wrong under the Most High God - that is because of the Holy Spirit. There is nothing new under the sun.
He may not have planned for us to be like this, but we surely did forsake Him. We still do - boldly, and openly. We renege every day, and some of us seek out to make a fool of Him (charlatans.) We deserve every single bit of incidence we get to us - yet He is still patient and merciful enough to hedge us from most terrors we could face.
Those travails are the result of a spiritually derelict population. The cycle is dependent on the initial conditions set by God - in other words, this same "travail" people happens in cycles often. It has happened before many times. We have to look at events; for example: there can be no battle atHar' Megiddo (Armageddon) if Christ did not die, and ascend by consequence of perfection. The cycles can remain sinusoidal until the event that shifts the times/events toward something else.
The reason why the OT heroes were such a big deal (and, still are) was because when Adam sinned, his spirit died. He became a son of man - a rotting meat sack who, when dead, would just "sleep," because the spirit died at the incidence of sin.
The fact that "rotting meat sacks" would 1) want to follow the Word of God, and 2) actually (for the most part tried to)succeed(ed) meant that He could pick out a remnant form Himself to be His people.
Out of all the nations, the Most High God recognized one people that is borderless. Enoch was a righteous enough rotting meat sack that he just got called up. Some of us humans did comparable or better than Adam and Eve as children of God! Enoch, Moses(?), Elijah(?), Christ. Some of us were even noticed enough to have dreams, visions, interaction and sensational response from God.
His spirit was poured out upon us - on loan - so that we don't have to refer to texts, or people anymore to learn about Him. It is written on our hearts. So, the Word of God has been with us. We just (ir)rationalize it as something else - fantastical or ludicrous, and in between. T
The Middle East is on fire and His time will not wait decades for the increase of Islamic numbers to dominate Israel and the world -- God will intervene prior to that.
But, the Crusades happened, and Constantinople was changed to Istanbul.
The "behind the scenes" reason for that "war" is more prevalent than what is going on in the Middle East. What is going on now is a "not so smooth" multi-stage coup of nations not controlled by the correct financial institutions. That is part of the "wars and rumors of war/nations against nation."
Your thought of Israel in peril is correct, but this will occur sooner than you think
Islamic nations surrounding her will attack her and they will be destroyed- that's also scriptural.
Hmm... I agree with this. Although, remember Israel is a people, not a physical nation. You could be an Hebrew.
Sorry folks, fellow Republicans that is, but there won't be time for Trump to make America great again. Just enough time to beef the military and economy temporarily before WWIII. He was appointed mainly to prepare us and then engage. We needed someone with balls to press buttons without hesitation when the time comes.
But 2018 is the year you come to when you add 1948 + 70 years (one generation), since Israel became a nation and that is when the clock started to tick.
Tick tock tick tock.
Thanks for your provocative thoughts.
Well, those were empires who set out to conquer the world at that time, ruled by a king. What about Rome and Greece, more powerful. I was speaking to this day, currently. They were small change compared to the US in every way.
There are many views of these prophetic events, let's just agree that whatever the timeline and order if events, it's coming.
With apology: I hate breaking up posts in pieces, but sometimes it is required for contextual purposes.
I would disagree with the idea that the US was the most powerful of scenarios of world systems falling. Even though what is going on right now is incredibly sickening, and spiritually taxing, it is not the most powerful world system that has existed, nor will the fall of the States be the most impacting consequence of a paradigm shift. Off of the top of my head, I can name five world empires that have fallen - that make the States look like Vanuatu in terms of world power:
Sumer/Ur
Phoenecia
Babylon
Egypt
Israel
Keep in mind the tribulation has already been here; people have been butchered in increase. If 1000 y ears are like 1 day to God, then it has only been "two 'days'" for God - women spend weeks in labor sometimes, depending on the birth. This beast being "delivered" by "Earth" is a counterfeit projection of utopia and eternity with God. It is a lie, but we are also told that:
knowledge will increase
people will run to and fro
kingdoms will rise and fall
people will die (around 2/3 - about 23% less than what is considered "ideal")
Crops will die (Fukishima, GMOS)
Pestilence (Fukishima, GMOS)
Plague (Fukishima, GMOS, engineered biology)
destitution (exists in massive amounts in this age, and always has in some relatively marginal amount.)
Earthquakes, vulcanism, etc (energy wars)
Then, labor begins.
That is why when the the first four trumps are blown:
Celestial debris shower
Oceanic massive impact
The aftermath of "Deep Impact"
The revelation of "our binary dwarf star"
The angel tells us that destruction even more will befall the world - three more "woes." In a stream of consciousness, I have to laugh to keep from crying, because what we are seeing today is painfully common. We have no idea of the absolute destitution of spirit these coming "days" will bring. The History Channel has specials every week on the alleged "delightful tortures" from centuries past - the tribulation is here. It started a long time ago. The fall of the West, East, South and North is a commonplace consequence of the changing paradigm. It isn't special despite the amount of energy invested in the distractions.
This thread reminds me of a situation in the Middle East that could reach a tipping point long before such could happen in America. Most experts believe that at the present rate of population growth, Palestinian Muslims will eventually outnumber Jews, in Israel itself, possibly within a few decades. If and when this does happen, it would mean the end of the Jewish state as we now know it.
It would appear then that the attempt to create a "Jewish state" was simply not meant to last. Oh well...
Similarly, a study showed that the Muslim population of Europe will probably triple by 2050, even if Europe seals its borders to all Muslim immigration. The Muslim population is younger and are having more children.
Similarly, a study showed that the Muslim population of Europe will probably triple by 2050, even if Europe seals its borders to all Muslim immigration. The Muslim population is younger and are having more children.
Absolutely, you saw that 15 min video of the cultural demographics of the world in 30 years? Islam will just dominate by numbers and cultures cannot sustain themselves unless they have 2 kids per family.
Fear not TKL, God will intervene before that happens. And as for Israel, the eternal city will be just that. It's always been on the center of history and as scripture states, in the end times, Jerusalem will be a stumbling block to the nations of the world and they will attempt to heave it away and all nations will come against Israel, but they will be destroyed. We are on the precipice where good and evil will war against eachother and good will prevail.
