Yahweh's Moedim (Feasts) FOREVER!

[Doug Melven]

Remember these words.



Looks to me like the story of Moshe is the fulfillment of all of these feasts.



This was written long after Yahshua ascended.

Stay tuned!

When the feasts were instituted, Christ had not yet come.
So everything pointed to a different aspect of what Christ would do.
Even the flour. Today if we want fine flour we just go to the store and buy "fine flour". But not back then, for them to have fine flour they had to beat it over and over.
This is a picture/shadow of what would happen to Jesus Christ.
He was beaten and scourged, Isaiah 53 talks about this in detail.

 

[gadar perets]

That is NOT what it says:

2 Col 2.16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.​

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This is not the correct translation of the Greek. The words "mere" and "substance belongs to" are not in the Greek.

 

[Dave-W]

This is not the correct translation of the Greek. The words "mere" and "substance belongs to" are not in the Greek.

Take it up with the New American Standard translators (Lockman Foundation)

 

[Doug Melven]

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This is not the correct translation of the Greek. The words "mere" and "substance belongs to" are not in the Greek.

2:17 a ha G3739 pr Nom Pl n WHICH which(p) estin estin G2076 vi Pres vxx 3 Sg IS skia skia G4639 n_ Nom Sg f SHADE shadow twn tOn G3588 t_ Gen Pl n OF-THE mellontwn mellontOn G3195 vp Pres Act Gen Pl n beING-ABOUT things-impending to to G3588 t_ Nom Sg n THE de de G1161 Conj YET swma sOma G4983 n_ Nom Sg n BODY tou tou G3588 t_ Gen Sg m OF-THE Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. 17 cristou christou G5547 n_ Gen Sg m ANOINTED Christi

This is taken from http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/col2.pdf

Looks to me like the KJV translators got it right.

 

[Dave-W]

Looks to me like the KJV translators got it right.

I do note that there is a slight difference in the NA text (NASB) and the TR text (KJV).

εἰμί eimi σκιά skia μέλλω mellō (NA text)

vs.

ἐστί esti σκιά skia μέλλω mellō (TR text)

 

[gadar perets]

2:17 a ha G3739 pr Nom Pl n WHICH which(p) estin estin G2076 vi Pres vxx 3 Sg IS skia skia G4639 n_ Nom Sg f SHADE shadow twn tOn G3588 t_ Gen Pl n OF-THE mellontwn mellontOn G3195 vp Pres Act Gen Pl n beING-ABOUT things-impending to to G3588 t_ Nom Sg n THE de de G1161 Conj YET swma sOma G4983 n_ Nom Sg n BODY tou tou G3588 t_ Gen Sg m OF-THE Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. 17 cristou christou G5547 n_ Gen Sg m ANOINTED Christi

This is taken from http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/col2.pdf

Looks to me like the KJV translators got it right.

The KJV is close, but they made the mistake of adding "is" to the text. That is a big blunder that has misled most Christians into rejecting the feasts and Sabbath.

The best translation I have seen is from the 1998 Scriptures:

Col 2:16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths –
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.​

 

[gadar perets]

But Christ is the reality of the Feasts. They were just shadows.
Let's look at them and see how Christ fulfilled them.
Passover. When God saw the Blood He had the angel passover them and not kill them with the Egyptians. Christ is our Passover Lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7

Feast of Unleavened Bread, this was to commemorate there deliverance from Egypt.
Christ has freed us from sin. Romans 6:7, 18

Feast of Weeks, This was fulfilled when Jesus Christ rose from the dead and the Holy Spirit was given 50 days later at Pentecost.

Feast of Trumpets. This was a memorial feast and what happened prior to this where trumpets were blown? Exodus 19 when the Covenant was given. Jesus fulfilled this when He said in Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Day of Atonement. Jesus gave His life as an atonement for our sin.

Feast of Tabernacles Pictures when God will dwell with us. 2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Matthew 1:23 Jesus is going to be called Emmanuel, God with us


Looks to me like Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of all these feasts.

Messiah Yeshua fulfilled the Passover lamb.

He also fulfilled the Feast of Unleavened Bread in that he was totally unleavened. However, believers are not and must rid ourselves of what leaven represents (sin, hypocrisy, false doctrine, wickedness, malice, etc.).

The Feast of Weeks has nothing to do with Yeshua's resurrection. It only pertains to the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. Yeshua is of the barley harvest.

The Feast of Trumpets looks forward, not backward. The "memorial" is not of a past event, but a signal to YHWH to remember His people in time of war (Numbers 10:9). The coming Day of YHWH, when the 7 Trumpets will sound, is when YHWH will "remember" His people and save them from their enemies.

Yeshua fulfilled the Atonement sacrifice, but he did not fulfill the entire day. The anti-typical Jubilee trumpet is yet to blow free the captives of death from their imprisonment in the grave.

While YHWH does dwell in His people through the indwelling Holy Spirit, that is not what the Feast of Tabernacles pointed to. It points to the millennium when the harvest of souls is completed and we rejoice over the harvest and all of the Almighty's blessings. It also points forward to the beginning of the millennium when YHWH will tabernacle with men in a more literal sense than through the indwelling Holy Spirit which is just a down payment (Revelation 21:3, 22).

 

[Doug Melven]

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.

I do not need the word "is" to see that Christ is the reality of what the feasts pointed to. The word "is" just makes it so the text is readable.
Taking out "is" leaves us with 2 disjointed thoughts in the same verse.
If you look at the verse in context, Paul telling them not to let any anyone judge them concerning feasts, new moons and sabbaths then he gives the reason why no one can judge them in this because Christ is the reality of the shadow.
Adding parentheses for clarification to change the thought is much worse than adding an "is" to make the text readable.

 

[Doug Melven]

Reasons for the feasts and how Christ fulfilled them.
Passover, Jesus is our Passover lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7

Unleavened bread, Deliverance from Egypt. Exodus 23:15, Romans 6:7, 18
Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty

Firstfruits Christ is the Firstfruits 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

Weeks - Pentecost This ties into the Resurrection of Christ, because the Feast of Weeks was celebrated fifty days after Firstfruits was. Jesus rose from the dead, fifty days later the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost.

Trumpets Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
A memorial is meant to remember something. The previous time were blown was at Sinai in the giving of the Covenant. Then Jesus gave a new Covenant in Luke 22:20 . Let Bible interpret Bible.

Day of Atonement The High Priest would go in to the Holy of holies with animal blood for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 9 says Jesus did this in Heaven.

Tabernacles The children of Israel had to dwell in booths and they were to remember this.
But there would be a time when God would dwell with us and in us. Matthew 1:23 says Jesus is to be called Emmanuel, god with us. 2 Peter 1:13-14 says our bodies are tabernacles and God is in us. Romans 8:9
1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Three pilgrimage feasts
Day of Atonement, Feast of Weeks, Feast of Tabernacles
Jesus paid the price, then Holy Spirit given and now God dwells in us.

 

[gadar perets]

I do not need the word "is" to see that Christ is the reality of what the feasts pointed to. The word "is" just makes it so the text is readable.
Taking out "is" leaves us with 2 disjointed thoughts in the same verse.
If you look at the verse in context, Paul telling them not to let any anyone judge them concerning feasts, new moons and sabbaths then he gives the reason why no one can judge them in this because Christ is the reality of the shadow.
Adding parentheses for clarification to change the thought is much worse than adding an "is" to make the text readable.

The "no one" Paul is referring to are unbelievers. His entire message is to not allow those deceivers to impose their traditions on believers. The Colossians were believers who were keeping the Sabbath and Feasts. No one outside the Body of believers was permitted to distort their worship in that regard. It makes perfect sense for Paul to phrase it as he did. Christians have twisted Paul's meaning to say that believers should not impose their Sabbath and Feast keeping on other believers. That is far from Paul's intent. And so, because Christians have distorted Paul's intent, it has caused a great rift in the Body where one faction of believers accuses other believers of being legalists who have fallen from grace. How sad. Yet, it is all part of the mystery of iniquity that began to plague the Body in Paul's day.

 

[gadar perets]

Reasons for the feasts and how Christ fulfilled them.
Passover, Jesus is our Passover lamb. 1 Corinthians 5:7

Unleavened bread, Deliverance from Egypt. Exodus 23:15, Romans 6:7, 18
Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty

Firstfruits Christ is the Firstfruits 1 Corinthians 15:20-23

Weeks - Pentecost This ties into the Resurrection of Christ, because the Feast of Weeks was celebrated fifty days after Firstfruits was. Jesus rose from the dead, fifty days later the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost.

Trumpets Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
A memorial is meant to remember something. The previous time were blown was at Sinai in the giving of the Covenant. Then Jesus gave a new Covenant in Luke 22:20 . Let Bible interpret Bible.

Day of Atonement The High Priest would go in to the Holy of holies with animal blood for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 9 says Jesus did this in Heaven.

Tabernacles The children of Israel had to dwell in booths and they were to remember this.
But there would be a time when God would dwell with us and in us. Matthew 1:23 says Jesus is to be called Emmanuel, god with us. 2 Peter 1:13-14 says our bodies are tabernacles and God is in us. Romans 8:9
1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Three pilgrimage feasts
Day of Atonement, Feast of Weeks, Feast of Tabernacles
Jesus paid the price, then Holy Spirit given and now God dwells in us.

None of this addresses my point of view or the verses I cited.

Also, the fact that Yeshua's resurrection preceded the outpouring on Pentecost by 50 days proves his resurrection was not the fulfillment of Pentecost/Shavuot. If it was, he would have been resurrected on Shavuot.

 

[Doug Melven]

The "no one" Paul is referring to are unbelievers.

How do you know this?
If a believer wants to keep the Feast of ...... Let them do so. If they understand what is going on and the reason for the feast. And acknowledging they aren't keeping it as God intended.
But it is not commanded for us to keep any of the Feasts. See Romans 14
The problem comes in when people start saying if you don't keep the Feast of .... God won't be happy with you.
Causing believers to have guilt.

 

[HARK!]

Weeks - Pentecost This ties into the Resurrection of Christ, because the Feast of Weeks was celebrated fifty days after Firstfruits was. Jesus rose from the dead, fifty days later the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost.

Hmmmm....

Thanks to Gadar Perets, I did a little more digging on this subject. I believe that my humble understanding might be due for reevaluation on this point. I came to the overall understanding that I have, and my closer relationship to Yahweh, by letting YHWH's spirit lead me to his truth. Parts of that process are letting go of traditions, "letting YHWH's word be true, and all men liars," and using discernment in light of the lying pens of scribes.

I was told that Shavuot coincided with the giving of the law at Sinai. I believed it; but can that assertion be backed by scripture?

Here is an interesting study that I found today, in search of YHWH's truth:

Was the Law Given on Pentecost? A Tale of Two Occasions. Messianic Bible studies, Messianic Bible Study, Bible Study Project, Norman Manzon

I thank YHWH for both you and Gadar Perets , for triggering my motivation to look into this subject more carefully.

 

[gadar perets]

How do you know this?

From my post #19:

When Paul wrote, "Let no one" in verse 16, he was referring to the deceivers and philosophers of verses 4, 8 & 18 who were trying to beguile the Colossians by adding their man made traditions (Colossians 2:8, 18, 20-23).
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If a believer wants to keep the Feast of ...... Let them do so. If they understand what is going on and the reason for the feast. And acknowledging they aren't keeping it as God intended.
But it is not commanded for us to keep any of the Feasts. See Romans 14

You are assuming the days of Romans 14:5-6 are YHWH's holy days such as Sabbaths and Feasts. People, including the Jews, esteemed all sorts of days back then that YHWH never commanded such as Purim, Hanukkah, various fast days throughout the week, etc. Paul would never tell a believer he has a choice to keep holy days or not. The Almighty declared that the Sabbaths and Feasts were holy days. No man can say they are optional or that they don't need to be esteemed if one cares not to.

Also, just because a command is not repeated in the NT does not mean the command no longer applies to YHWH's people. The NT example shows Paul and others continuing to keep the holy days long after Yeshua's resurrection. Why? Because they have a future fulfillment in YHWH's plan of salvation.

 

[Doug Melven]

From my post #19:

When Paul wrote, "Let no one" in verse 16, he was referring to the deceivers and philosophers of verses 4, 8 & 18 who were trying to beguile the Colossians by adding their man made traditions (Colossians 2:8, 18, 20-23).
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You are assuming the days of Romans 14:5-6 are YHWH's holy days such as Sabbaths and Feasts. People, including the Jews, esteemed all sorts of days back then that YHWH never commanded such as Purim, Hanukkah, various fast days throughout the week, etc. Paul would never tell a believer he has a choice to keep holy days or not. The Almighty declared that the Sabbaths and Feasts were holy days. No man can say they are optional or that they don't need to be esteemed if one cares not to.

Also, just because a command is not repeated in the NT does not mean the command no longer applies to YHWH's people. The NT example shows Paul and others continuing to keep the holy days long after Yeshua's resurrection. Why? Because they have a future fulfillment in YHWH's plan of salvation.

If we are to keep the Feasts Paul, Peter, James and any other New Testament writer did us a great disservice by not explaining how we could keep the Feasts without making the burnt offerings as prescribed by God.
God knew the temple would be destroyed in AD 70, and without the temple the sacrifices can't be made.

 

[gadar perets]

If we are to keep the Feasts Paul, Peter, James and any other New Testament writer did us a great disservice by not explaining how we could keep the Feasts without making the burnt offerings as prescribed by God.
God knew the temple would be destroyed in AD 70, and without the temple the sacrifices can't be made.

Sacrifices were made on every day, not just holy days. Do we do away with all days? The fulfillment of sacrifices has no bearing on the purpose or meaning of the holy days. The days are still holy and require a holy convocation to take place in which YHWH desires us to meet with Him for worship. They are a wonderful time of joy and fellowship when YHWH's people can study His Word and understand His plan of salvation more deeply.

 

[HARK!]

God knew the temple would be destroyed in AD 70, and without the temple the sacrifices can't be made.

There was no temple in the times of Moshe and David.

 

[Doug Melven]

Sacrifices were made on every day, not just holy days. Do we do away with all days? The fulfillment of sacrifices has no bearing on the purpose or meaning of the holy days. The days are still holy and require a holy convocation to take place in which YHWH desires us to meet with Him for worship. They are a wonderful time of joy and fellowship when YHWH's people can study His Word and understand His plan of salvation more deeply.

When you read of the Feasts in Leviticus it says that sacrifices must be made of lambs, of kids and of flour.
So you are saying we should keep the feasts, but not the way God said they should be kept?

There was no temple in the times of Moshe and David.

There was still a place to make sacrifices. They still had a Holy of holies for the Day of Atonement.

 

[HARK!]

There was still a place to make sacrifices. They still had a Holy of holies for the Day of Atonement.

I have a place to make sacrifices.

The Holy of Holies was for the High Priest. That's Yahshua's job. I believe that he is there; and I believe that he has that part covered.

 

[HARK!]

If we are to keep the Feasts Paul, Peter, James and any other New Testament writer did us a great disservice by not explaining how we could keep the Feasts without making the burnt offerings as prescribed by God.
God knew the temple would be destroyed in AD 70, and without the temple the sacrifices can't be made.

Didn't all of those men serve YHWH to the best of their ability, unto being murdered for speaking the truth?

YHWH knew that he was going to send a strong delusion. I'm praying that YHWH continues to give me the wisdom to break free of it.

I wouldn't question the obedience and service of those men to YHWH.