Planned Parenthood is in Deep Trouble With the Law.

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Not if you're in a poor area. You have to deal with doctor trying to avoid you, get rid of you, And Not call in your medicine. Then you have to look else where. And you run into the same things at the next doctor place . That's supposed to help the poor. So no there isn't health care everywhere. Anyways get rid of planned parenthood. Other profit places will be available to do abortions and poor people will get screwed.

Your post is totally on point in regards to how Planned Parenthood provides vital healthcare - much of which is unrelated to abortions - to many people who would otherwise struggle to obtain it. The United States government has a reliable database system for identifying underserved areas; it is calculated by the Health Resources and Services Administration, which is a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. According to their data, as of the spring of 2017, more than half of Planned Parenthood facilities are located in what is deemed as health professional shortage areas - rural or medically underserved areas.

Even in more affluent areas Planned Parenthood is an asset to many. At Cedars Sinai in Beverly Hills, unless there is a medical concern grave enough for you to be able to jump the queue, it typically takes five months or longer to land an appointment with a gynecologist or an endocrinologist, the physicians who most frequently prescribe the same medications as Planned Parenthood clinics. The cost is steep, even with insurance. When I saw a gynecologist there in 2015, even with my endocrinologist having called and prioritized me, it took six weeks to get in to see her. I'm still under my parents' insurance, so I'm not sure what portion of the bill we were ultimately responsible for, but the visit itself was $575 for less than thirty minutes, plus a small fortune more for tests. (The appointment was not related to pregnancy or a desire to prevent one from happening.) This is not an anomaly or unique to high-income areas; across the country it can take considerable time to get an appointment with a physician, and then the cost of it can be steep. With Planned Parenthood you can often walk in and be seen that day or within a reasonable time frame. A friend went to one for the precise problem I had (it's not uncommon for teens who are underweight and highly athletic to have delays and issues that can be alleviated by birth control medication) and had the same test, and was given the exact same medication, much more expeditiously and affordably.

As I mentioned in my previous post here, I also have friends who've gotten their medication for PCOS, one of the most common endocrine issues impacting women, from Planned Parenthood. Birth control is a misnomer because it's often prescribed for reasons other than contraceptive purposes, and obstacles to receiving it are as cruel as they'd be for making it harder to receive any other medication. For women with PCOS, it can help to shrink cysts that can become so large and painful they interfere with the ability to walk and function normally. It can help to clear up cystic acne that is deep within the skin and throbs, causing both physical pain and the emotional pain from the assault to your self-confidence. It also can reduce the risk of developing specific cancers.

I also have a guy friend who reached out to me for confidential assistance after I'd posted about how Planned Parenthood now has an app (but it's only available in California and a few other states) that enabled people to discuss issues with doctors and order medication that is discreetly delivered to them. They do not just provide healthcare for females. They also provide an array of healthcare for males, including UTI (urinary tract infection) medication. My friend had an infection, most likely caused from him being a swimmer, but he was too embarrassed to seek treatment for it in person, even though it was most definitely not sexually transmitted. He used the app to discuss it and get the appropriate meds that cleared it up. Another benefit of Planned Parenthood is that in some states if you are under the age of 21, you can receive medical care from them irrespective of your parents' income or insurance situation. That is helpful to college students with limited finances.
 
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This means what? I do not understand this argument. When women stop needing male sperm to get pregnant I will stop worrying what happens to an unborn child. This is just like what happened with my own daughter. Now that your pregnant, I have no right to that child? How so? If you had that child you would darn sure try to get child support, right? So how can you tell me, the other half in making that baby I do not have the right to raise it? Cary it to term and go your own way if you don't want the child. I will raise it.

No, the argument is you have no right to force someone to carry something in their body or use their organs. It has nothing to do with the man.
 
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For me, bodily autonomy is everything. My body is to be under my control and not used by another without my consent, ever. It literally isn't worth living to me if someone else gets to determine how my body is used - even for just 40 weeks. ,

Thankfully I would never even consider a relationship with someone with such views. I find such self-serving views vapid. But then this isn't about a relationship, this is about just getting it on. I think this line of thought is one of the many evils that come along with promiscuity, and premarital sex. There is no thought or consideration at all for the partner, or the child itself. Only the needs and self-gratifying wants of the women herself. My body, my choice, none of you matter.
 
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No, the argument is you have no right to force someone to carry something in their body or use their organs. It has nothing to do with the man.
Unless it is rape no one forced her to get pregnant.

Maybe this is a line I need to take. Creating awareness for the fathers of unborn children that want the children. Maybe we can legally change this.
 
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Unless it is rape no one forced her to get pregnant.
That does not change the fact that she has bodily autonomy.

Maybe this is a line I need to take. Creating awareness for the fathers of unborn children that want the children. Maybe we can legally change this.

As soon as you come up with a way for the man to carry the child to term. Other then that bodily autonomy is very well established.
 
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As soon as you come up with a way for the man to carry the child to term. Other then that bodily autonomy is very well established.

You figure out how a woman can get pregnant without a male's sperm. I won't say we have rights to a child. You can't get pregnant without us. Like it or not, part of the DNA of the child comes from the father. This has been established for years and been used in every paternity case out there.
 
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Your post is totally on point in regards to how Planned Parenthood provides vital healthcare - much of which is unrelated to abortions - to many people who would otherwise struggle to obtain it. The United States government has a reliable database system for identifying underserved areas; it is calculated by the Health Resources and Services Administration, which is a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. According to their data, as of the spring of 2017, more than half of Planned Parenthood facilities are located in what is deemed as health professional shortage areas - rural or medically underserved areas.

Even in more affluent areas Planned Parenthood is an asset to many. At Cedars Sinai in Beverly Hills, unless there is a medical concern grave enough for you to be able to jump the queue, it typically takes five months or longer to land an appointment with a gynecologist or an endocrinologist, the physicians who most frequently prescribe the same medications as Planned Parenthood clinics. The cost is steep, even with insurance. When I saw a gynecologist there in 2015, even with my endocrinologist having called and prioritized me, it took six weeks to get in to see her. I'm still under my parents' insurance, so I'm not sure what portion of the bill we were ultimately responsible for, but the visit itself was $575 for less than thirty minutes, plus a small fortune more for tests. (The appointment was not related to pregnancy or a desire to prevent one from happening.) This is not an anomaly or unique to high-income areas; across the country it can take considerable time to get an appointment with a physician, and then the cost of it can be steep. With Planned Parenthood you can often walk in and be seen that day or within a reasonable time frame. A friend went to one for the precise problem I had (it's not uncommon for teens who are underweight and highly athletic to have delays and issues that can be alleviated by birth control medication) and had the same test, and was given the exact same medication, much more expeditiously and affordably.

As I mentioned in my previous post here, I also have friends who've gotten their medication for PCOS, one of the most common endocrine issues impacting women, from Planned Parenthood. Birth control is a misnomer because it's often prescribed for reasons other than contraceptive purposes, and obstacles to receiving it are as cruel as they'd be for making it harder to receive any other medication. For women with PCOS, it can help to shrink cysts that can become so large and painful they interfere with the ability to walk and function normally. It can help to clear up cystic acne that is deep within the skin and throbs, causing both physical pain and the emotional pain from the assault to your self-confidence. It also can reduce the risk of developing specific cancers.

I also have a guy friend who reached out to me for confidential assistance after I'd posted about how Planned Parenthood now has an app (but it's only available in California and a few other states) that enabled people to discuss issues with doctors and order medication that is discreetly delivered to them. They do not just provide healthcare for females. They also provide an array of healthcare for males, including UTI (urinary tract infection) medication. My friend had an infection, most likely caused from him being a swimmer, but he was too embarrassed to seek treatment for it in person, even though it was most definitely not sexually transmitted. He used the app to discuss it and get the appropriate meds that cleared it up. Another benefit of Planned Parenthood is that in some states if you are under the age of 21, you can receive medical care from them irrespective of your parents' income or insurance situation. That is helpful to college students with limited finances.
If I were someone given to conspiracy theories, I'd argue that perhaps the current attacks on PP are motivated by donations from their competitors that provide more expensive and slower services and want to eliminate competition.
 
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You figure out how a woman can get pregnant without a male's sperm. I won't say we have rights to a child. You can't get pregnant without us. Like it or not, part of the DNA of the child comes from the father. This has been established for years and been used in every paternity case out there.

Uh... No one is contesting that. That men are part of procreation does not change bodily autonomy either,
 
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Uh... No one is contesting that. That men are part of procreation does not change bodily autonomy either,

So if men are no part of it they should have no liability either. If you want total control over your body and the baby inside you should be solely responsible. Maybe we should no longer require men to support a child they have no rights to in the first place if the chose they don't want that child. Seeing that some men leave women while they are still pregnant, they should be indemnified from legal recourse seeing that the fetus is not a person, and the mother has the sole choice in whether to have a child or not. Seeing that the male partner has no choice or recourse in, or from, the women's sole decisions, should not be culpable, nor liable for the decisions of the mother.

This would be great. The men would no longer need to worry about getting women pregnant any more than the women needs to worry about pregnancy. Equality in action. No consequence for anyone.
 
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So if men are no part of it they should have no liability either. If you want total control over your body and the baby inside you should be solely responsible. Maybe we should no longer require men to support a child they have no rights to in the first place if the chose they don't want that child. Seeing that some men leave women while they are still pregnant, they should be indemnified from legal recourse seeing that the fetus is not a person, and the mother has the sole choice in whether to have a child or not. Seeing that the male partner has no choice or recourse in, or from, the women's sole decisions, should not be culpable, nor liable for the decisions of the mother.

This would be great. The men would no longer need to worry about getting women pregnant any more than the women needs to worry about pregnancy. Equality in action. No consequence for anyone.
It's a complicated issue, like many things surrounding sex and relationships, but I somewhat agree here. Under certain circumstances, a man should be off the hook.
 
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Thankfully I would never even consider a relationship with someone with such views. I find such self-serving views vapid. But then this isn't about a relationship, this is about just getting it on. I think this line of thought is one of the many evils that come along with promiscuity, and premarital sex. There is no thought or consideration at all for the partner, or the child itself. Only the needs and self-gratifying wants of the women herself. My body, my choice, none of you matter.

You shouldn't assume so much. My views are born of violation. Had I not been sexually assaulted; I might never have pondered exactly what control of my body means to me, but I was and I did.

I am also a married woman & I have been with my husband for over a decade. We have discussed all such views and he is in agreement.

It has to be "my body, my choice" - because it is my female body that bears the brunt of the choice. The fetus is a dream, the woman carrying the fetus is reality.

Any "partner" should know what the possibilities are before sex.

Bodily autonomy has nothing to do with promiscuity or premarital sex. My husband certainly agrees that my body belongs to me.
 
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You shouldn't assume so much. My views are born of violation.

I'm not assuming anything. I did not address you directly. I stated I would not get into a relationship with someone having such views. I find such views as boring, uninteresting in a woman.

Why would I want to be with women that believes she is more important than me and even more than our future children? Her will be done and damn my opinion. No thanks.

Had I not been sexually assaulted; I might never have pondered exactly what control of my body means to me, but I was and I did.

I have immense respect for that, and I do not mean to offend you on that point. I do not mean to offend at all however this is a deep discussion that may at times inflame situations.

I am also a married woman & I have been with my husband for over a decade. We have discussed all such views and he is in agreement.
That is wonderful, and important. You want to have a partner that shares your ideals. My own wife likewise is in agreement with me. Sounds like you have a loving partner and an open relationship you can discuss things in.

It has to be "my body, my choice" - because it is my female body that bears the brunt of the choice. The fetus is a dream, the woman carrying the fetus is a reality.

Any "partner" should know what the possibilities are before sex.

This is where it does not cut it for me. Your body or not. Me and my wife are married, it is our child. It is not my wife's child. We do not have sex really, almost at all, because we know we can not afford a child. But I and my wife can coexist in a very loving relationship without sex. I would still love her even if she was in a wheelchair and couldn't have sex... so what's the difference? My relationship with my wife is based on my wife. Not the sex I can get from her. Subsequently, I am missing out on nothing since she is still in my life. I mean come on, we fool around. But you don't have to have sex. I feel that if I have to have sex with a women to be interested in her... I'm not interested in her.

Bodily autonomy has nothing to do with promiscuity or premarital sex. My husband certainly agrees that my body belongs to me.

Your body does belong to you. Our child's would not.
 
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It's a complicated issue, like many things surrounding sex and relationships, but I somewhat agree here. Under certain circumstances, a man should be off the hook.

I hope you understand I didn't just say this to be a jerk. Or create a shock factor. Honestly, If women want sole discretion they should have sole liability. Because the man has no say. It is absolutely ridiculous that an individual that has no say in a situation is somehow financially liable for that situation.

And as far as an abandonment of a pregnant woman, the onus is on the women not only because the fetus is not a child, but the women decided to keep it. It is her own decision, it is her own responsibility. Their words, not mine.
 
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Yet again Standfordella undercuts an argument with fact, reason, and clarity. But the problem with your argument is that there is not enough JUDGEMENT and condemnation of people.

Don't worry. You'll get it right someday.

Haha, that's one dubious distinction I hope to never get right. :)
 
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I hope you understand I didn't just say this to be a jerk. Or create a shock factor. Honestly, If women want sole discretion they should have sole liability. Because the man has no say. It is absolutely ridiculous that an individual that has no say in a situation is somehow financially liable for that ...e.
has no say???
" oops. I tripped and fell and on my way down i impreganted a woman by mistake".

As a man, i hated every time that happenned.

Man has the first say. They can say no to putting their genitals inside a female. Yoy are ACTIVELY CHOOSING to have a kid as a man having unprotected sex with a woman.
 
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has no say???
" oops. I tripped and fell and on my way down i impreganted a woman by mistake".

As a man, i hated every time that happenned.

Man has the first say. They can say no to putting their genitals inside a female. Yoy are ACTIVELY CHOOSING to have a kid as a man having unprotected sex with a woman.

What exactly are you arguing?
 
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So if men are no part of it they should have no liability either.

Amazingly enough you don't get to tell me what I must do with my body either and I am a man. Both sexes have bodily autonomy but that results in different choices we get to make.

If you want total control over your body and the baby inside you should be solely responsible. Maybe we should no longer require men to support a child they have no rights to in the first place if the chose they don't want that child. Seeing that some men leave women while they are still pregnant, they should be indemnified from legal recourse seeing that the fetus is not a person, and the mother has the sole choice in whether to have a child or not. Seeing that the male partner has no choice or recourse in, or from, the women's sole decisions, should not be culpable, nor liable for the decisions of the mother.

This would be great. The men would no longer need to worry about getting women pregnant any more than the women needs to worry about pregnancy. Equality in action. No consequence for anyone.

I find it interesting when men complain about this. The fact is that both people have the same bodily autonomy and so both get a say. Biology, however, dictates that women get to have a say for longer then men since they are the ones who are pregnant. I'll offer the men the same advice I have seen offered to women so often. If you don't like it then put an aspirin between your knees and keep your genitals to yourself. Problem solved.
 
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Amazingly enough you don't get to tell me what I must do with my body either and I am a man. Both sexes have bodily autonomy but that results in different choices we get to make.

Well, obviously that isn't true. Were just the dogs that have to go along with the women's whims. If we're in a consented casual relationship and our girl gets pregnant and chooses to keep it we have to pay for a child we didn't want to have. And likewise, if we are in a relationship and want to have children we have to sit back and watch the women abort our child. Men have no legal recourse at all. None. No rights at all to their own offspring.

How is that even legal yet alone fair?

I find it interesting when men complain about this. The fact is that both people have the same bodily autonomy and so both get a say. Biology, however, dictates that women get to have a say for longer then men since they are the ones who are pregnant. I'll offer the men the same advice I have seen offered to women so often. If you don't like it then put an aspirin between your knees and keep your genitals to yourself. Problem solved.

So it is perfectly ok for the women to have compleat authority whether or not my child lives or dies without my consent and my only recourse is to suck it up?
 
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That a man DOES have a say.

In what? There is no father's right to consent to an abortion. Women can legally have an abortion even if the father wants the child. There is no legal recourse at all for men. None.
 
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