U of T profs alarmed by Jordan Peterson's plan to target classes he calls 'indoctrination cults'

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Except that what he's saying is that the liberal indoctrination is already in force -- the "cults" are already in the classrooms and need to be rooted out. What exactly is he trying to prevent with his "nonviolent warfare"? (His words, remember -- and if you know a way to declare any kind of war without encouraging conflict, I'm listening)
From these quotes, it seems like he's trying to prevent a conflict between left-wing radicals in colleges and right-wing radicals that he believes will become more popular because of these left-wing radicals.
Don't be afraid -- just because I lost interest doesn't mean I'm avoiding. In any event, those in power have often used "witch hunts" to defend their power from would-be usurpers. Peterson's taken a novel twist by reversing it: calling a witch hunt against those he perceives as already in power -- I suppose the indoctrinated will see his motives as altruistic... how could they be otherwise?
In this case, you were very obviously avoiding it, a few times in a row even.

You asked me how many people care about avoiding witch hunts. I replied that I guess not many seem to care about it. Then, you said that my guess was quite wrong. I asked how exactly it was wrong.

Also, I'm not "indoctrinated" and I think his motives are good.
 
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From these quotes, it seems like he's trying to prevent a conflict between left-wing radicals in colleges and right-wing radicals that he believes will become more popular because of these left-wing radicals.

His actions indicate that he's trying to incite a conflict. There is no conflict now, but there will be once his site gets off the ground.

Don't be fooled by his claims.. he wants a conflict -- just on his terms. It's a smart move, really.

You asked me how many people care about avoiding witch hunts. I replied that I guess not many seem to care about it. Then, you said that my guess was quite wrong. I asked how exactly it was wrong.

Fair enough -- you're wrong because quite a large number of people care about witch hunts, given their ever-increasing popularity.

Also, I'm not "indoctrinated" and I think his motives are good.

I'm not "indoctrinated" either, and I find his motives highly questionable.
 
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You keep talking about hate. Do you hate people you
disagree with so much that you can't imagine that
they don't feel the same?

You love America, so you claim; the left is trying to destroy America, so you claim.

Are you trying to convince us that you don't hate them for what they're doing to your country?

If you're not going to be honest with yourself, you're wasting your time trying to be honest with others. "This above all, to thy own self be true."
 
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His actions indicate that he's trying to incite a conflict. There is no conflict now, but there will be once his site gets off the ground.

Don't be fooled by his claims.. he wants a conflict -- just on his terms. It's a smart move, really.
There have already been some conflicts that were the results of radicalized/indoctrinated students, like what happened at Evergreen College. It would be good to prevent stuff like that from happening again.


Fair enough -- you're wrong because quite a large number of people care about witch hunts, given their ever-increasing popularity.
But that wasn't what I said. My guess was that not many people care about avoiding witch hunts. You keep saying that I'm wrong about it. How exactly am I wrong?

I'm not "indoctrinated" either, and I find his motives highly questionable.
It's normal for people to disagree about stuff.
 
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It's normal for people to disagree about stuff.

It's normal for people to have ideological differences.

Is it normal for people to set up websites to expose such people as "extremists" who are running "cults" with the expressed purpose of costing them their livelihood?
 
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It's normal for people to have ideological differences.

Is it normal for people to set up websites to expose such people as "extremists" who are running "cults" with the expressed purpose of costing them their livelihood?
Cults and extremists exist. Would you be against a website that exposed shady stuff done by Scientologists, for example?

And how was my guess wrong?
 
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Cults and extremists exist. Would you be against a website that exposed shady stuff done by Scientologists, for example?

Are you suggesting that scientologists are cultish extremists who should be pushed out of their jobs?

If so, is that how you're justifying Peterson's witch hunt against people who hold ideologies he doesn't agree with?

And how was my guess wrong?

Asked and answered. Accept your error and let it go.
 
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Are you suggesting that scientologists are cultish extremists who should be pushed out of their jobs?
At least some of them are, there's some really shady stuff that Scientology has done. As for pushing out of a job, that's only if the cult activities are interfering with doing the job properly, especially if they cause the person to do unethical stuff on their job.

Do you think it's ok for cultist to use college classes as a platform to indoctrinate people?

Asked and answered. Accept your error and let it go.
You didn't answer. You forgot my actual statement, and responded to something I didn't say.
 
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At least some of them are, there's some really shady stuff that Scientology has done. As for pushing out of a job, that's only if the cult activities are interfering with doing the job properly, especially if they cause the person to do unethical stuff on their job.

Are you suggesting that leftists are the same?

Do you think it's ok for cultist to use college classes as a platform to indoctrinate people?

Have I called for Peterson to be fired?

You didn't answer. You forgot my actual statement, and responded to something I didn't say.

If it means that much to you, would you be so kind as to repeat your question, the better to finally let it go?
 
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Are you suggesting that leftists are the same?
No, I've never suggested that. It's obviously possible to have left-wing views without having a cult like mentality. and without being an extremist.

Have I called for Peterson to be fired?
How is this relevant?

If it means that much to you, would you be so kind as to repeat your question, the better to finally let it go?
You asked me how many people actually care about avoiding witch hunts. I answered that I guess not many people care about it. You said that my guess was quite wrong, without explaining how. So, how was my guess "quite wrong"?
 
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No, I've never suggested that. It's obviously possible to have left-wing views without having a cult like mentality. and without being an extremist.

Then why is Peterson calling for a hunt?

How is this relevant?

It directly addresses your question... or did you assume that only left wing professors can indoctrinate students?

You asked me how many people actually care about avoiding witch hunts. I answered that I guess not many people care about it. You said that my guess was quite wrong, without explaining how. So, how was my guess "quite wrong"?

Asked and answered. Quite a lot of people care, given their increasing popularity.
 
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Then why is Peterson calling for a hunt?
Because some students, like those in the example I linked earlier, are getting radicalized by cultists in college classes.
It directly addresses your question... or did you assume that only left wing professors can indoctrinate students?
Any ideology can be taken to the extreme and turned into a cult. Also, I never mentioned "left wing" or "right wing", because I think these categories make no sense.
Asked and answered. Quite a lot of people care, given their increasing popularity.
But the popularity is driven by people who don't care about avoiding witch hunts.
 
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Because some students, like those in the example I linked earlier, are getting radicalized by cultists in college classes.

Sounds like this time the witches are real...

Any ideology can be taken to the extreme and turned into a cult. Also, I never mentioned "left wing" or "right wing", because I think these categories make no sense.

Then you could conceivably see Peterson falling afoul of his own witch hunt? Wouldn't that be a sight!

(In fact, now I want his website to get off the ground... it gives me a wonderfully grinchy idea...)
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But the popularity is driven by people who don't care about avoiding witch hunts.

Clearly because they care about catching witches...
 
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Sounds like this time the witches are real...
According to the police, yes. They told Prof. Weinstein that he's in danger when the student cultists were after him.
Then you could conceivably see Peterson falling afoul of his own witch hunt? Wouldn't that be a sight!
Well, if he used his classes as a platform for indoctrination, then why not?
(In fact, now I want his website to get off the ground... it gives me a wonderfully grinchy idea...)
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Do you want to submit false stuff about him?
Clearly because they care about catching witches...
They don't care about avoiding witch hunts.
 
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According to the police, yes. They told Prof. Weinstein that he's in danger when the student cultists were after him.


Cultists, you say?

Well, if he used his classes as a platform for indoctrination, then why not?

I'll bet he can give a dozen reasons.

Do you want to submit false stuff about him?

How could I do such a thing? I never took his class.

They don't care about avoiding witch hunts.

Because they want witch hunts.
 
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I think in this case it's appropriate to call it a kind of a cult. How would you call it?

Angry students. Is every angry student a cultist?

That's what I've been saying for the last bazillion posts, while you said that I'm "quite wrong".

You said there were a lot? I thought you said the exact opposite?
 
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Angry students. Is every angry student a cultist?
But they weren't just angry, they were angry in the name of a radical ideology that was encouraged by some professors there. And these professors were openly encouraging these students while they were terrorizing people.
You said there were a lot? I thought you said the exact opposite?
I said that not many people care about avoiding witch hunts. If someone doesn't want to avoid a witch hunt, it means that they want a witch hunt to happen.
 
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But they weren't just angry, they were angry in the name of a radical ideology that was encouraged by some professors there. And these professors were openly encouraging these students while they were terrorizing people.

Are you accusing the professors of being cult leaders? Did they order the students to threaten Weinstein?

I said that not many people care about avoiding witch hunts. If someone doesn't want to avoid a witch hunt, it means that they want a witch hunt to happen.

Ah, then I misunderstood you. I was quite wrong.
 
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