Christmas is a pagan holiday?!

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"While people are saying, "Peace and safety,"
destruction will come on them suddenly,
as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

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"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


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"While people are saying, "Peace and safety,"
destruction will come on them suddenly,
as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.​


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"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.​


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"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.​


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You imposed yourself on a question I asked to another poster. My conversation with the other poster, his comment, my question, had NOTHING to do with "HOPE".
There was no imposing,
and you are the one who brought up "HOPE".
 
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Obviously you can't, and your choice of Bible, My gender, your hope, blah, blah, blah...are nothing more than an irrelevant deflection.
Again, YOU are the one who brought up gender, not me.
The references needed were given.
If you have some trouble accessing biblegateway, or blueletterbible, or gotquestions, let me know.
Thx.
Shalom,
Jeff

p.s. Are you a minor, or an adult.
fyi, I am an adult,
just wondering if you are because it is impossible to tell just by the posts,
but it would explain a lot.
Also, again, is there any handicap preventing reading the Bible online and so forth? If there is, that makes a difference, of course, not to be embarassing but if it is difficult to look up the references they could be printed out. That's up to you.
 
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Just admit you have no scripture basis for agreeing with the Israelite's were killed for making a golden calf.
Now you are deflecting, not me, (I never did).
I read the normal RSV in english, and use biblegateway , blueletterbible, and gotquestions fairly frequently also.
I cannot do the reading for you - once the references are searched and read,
you might see the silliness of denying Scripture.
I do not have any idea, none at all, what other doctrine you or your church is teaching instead of the Bible, but that appears to be your point and why you don't want to admit the Bible is right.
Have fun though, and Joy, and Peace, if and when you do read the reverences in Exodus and in gotquestions and others as anyone can find in the blueletterbible.
All Scripture is good for edifying and uplifting and teaching.
All we have to do is read it.

If you have any references your self (I don't believe you ever once posted any, but I might have missed them)
that shows Israel was not punished ,
feel free to post them - I'll be happy to read your references if you have any supporting your 'position', whatever that is. (I don't know if you ever once said what your position is on why the Israelites were killed, so it is indeed puzzling why you think they were killed if not for their idolatry and disobedience as God's Word Clearly Says) ...... what else did they do that God killed them for ? )
Or, if you haven't read Exodus yet,
what does your book tell you about Israel , idolatry and punishment ?
 
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p.s. Are you a minor, or an adult.
fyi, I am an adult.

So adult, with all your resources, quote a scripture that says the Israelite's were killed for making a golden calf.

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Just admit you have no scripture basis for agreeing with the Israelite's were killed for making a golden calf.

Perhaps you should actually read the book of Exodus and you might discover the Israelite's wandered around for 40 years. Ya think those were DEAD MEN wandering?

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I don't recall seeing that ALL Israelites were killed... there were actually 3000. You really like the game of semantics don't you?

The point was that God had them killed because they were practicing idolatry when the they knew the truth.
 
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I happened to read up online that Christmas is a pagan holiday that the Catholic church adopted to convince pagans to join their church. That it actually originally worshiped the Sun God or something like that. Is it true? And if so, are we not to celebrate Christmas?

Are you thinking I Should pop my neighbor's "Grandma got run-over by a reindeer"?

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I don't recall seeing that ALL Israelites were killed... there were actually 3000. You really like the game of semantics don't you?


Nope. Asking for one to VERIFY, what they claim is in Scripture is not semantics!

The point was that God had them killed because they were practicing idolatry when the they knew the truth.

The point is the game playing on the part of those who make claims then can not VERIFY in Scripture what they say is true.


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Since this is the reference you use, first of all are you a man ?
Second, there is nothing about the golden calf or the people killed that is a reason for my hope , so that is a wrong application of your choice. (you made a mistake)
There was no imposing,
and you are the one who brought up "HOPE".

Since this is the reference you use, first of all are you a man ?
Second, there is nothing about the golden calf or the people killed that is a reason for my hope , so that is a wrong application of your choice.

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No. They are two separate forms of governments, with some similarities.
A more in depth conversation about the differences, are not appropriate for this OP.

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SBC

Democracy refers to rule of the people.
A republic refers to having public representatives.

Athens was a democracy.
Rome was a republic.

The United States of America is both a republic and a democracy; our representatives are democratically elected. Hence a "democratic republic" is an accurate description. A non-democratic republic could exist, in which representatives for the people exist but are not chosen by the vote of the people; that was Rome's model. But that isn't the American model, the American model involves democratically elected representatives.

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Democracy refers to rule of the people.
A republic refers to having public representatives.

Athens was a democracy.
Rome was a republic.

The United States of America is both a republic and a democracy; our representatives are democratically elected. Hence a "democratic republic" is an accurate description. A non-democratic republic could exist, in which representatives for the people exist but are not chosen by the vote of the people; that was Rome's model. But that isn't the American model, the American model involves democratically elected representatives.

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The United State of America is a Republic.
Some of the PEOPLE, are republicans, favoring REPRESENTATIVE RULE.
Some of the PEOPLE, are democratic, favoring MOB RULE.

US Constitution ~ Article IV ~ Section 4

Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..

In a Republic, the PEOPLE have their say, and effect THROUGH, their Representative and LAW.

In a Democracy, the PEOPLE have their say by mobs, and effect THOUGH, the mob.

In a Republic, THE LAW, prevails.
In a Democracy, THE MOB, hopes to prevail.

SIMPLE Example:
and revealed on this very forum.
CASE; Roy Moore

Democrats favor the Mob Rule, charging, hearing, trying, CON-victing Roy Moore in the PUBLIC, via newspapers, blogs, electronic forums.

Republicans favor the Rule of Law, charging, hearing, trying, deciding BY the RULE of LAW, the Verdict, in the Court Room.

The Government of the USA is a Republic.
The PEOPLE are the DIVIDED, not the Government itself.
The PEOPLE also happen to be who are SEATED to do the business of the Government.
And the division comes, WHEN DIVIDED PEOPLE are SEATED....
....One trying to effect LAWS, BY the RULE of LAW
....The Other trying to effect LAWS, BY the MOB RULE

And thus ~ we have a REPUBLIC Government that is SEATED, with CORRUPTER'S~

And thus ~ we say the Government IS Corrupted.

BECAUSE of;
the Tur_ in the punch bowl effect;
one bad apple spoils the whole bunch effect;
a little leaven spoils the whole lump effect;
a black sheep spoils the whole flock effect;
if a man is not made WHOLE, he is still IN sin/spoiled effect;

The STANDING is ESTABLISHED....
Rule of Law
Mob Rule (rule of men)
With or Without God

You, as anyone else decides their own STANDING.
Stand on the side of the RULE OF LAW.
Stand on the side of the RULE OF MEN.
Stand on the side WITH God (all others are AGAINST, and WITHOUT God) (according to Gods Rule).

Republicans have not CONVICTED Moore in the Public.
Democrats have CONVICTED Moore in the Public.

The USA is a Republic. Every US State, is a Republic.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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