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For example ? (where)The Bible States blessed are the preachers.
...... sure does..... yet almost no one has faith even to heal the sick or to give up their sin or to take the homeless in ...... so what /Who sent the famine not of food and water, but the famine of the hearing of the Word of God ?For faith comes by hearing of the Word.
I'm optimistic that He'll find faith when He comes back, even if it's smaller than a mustard seed
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- If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, .... .... .... (rare today, but still God's Promise, and always true, as Jesus plainly states.)
For the sake of the Gospel, and the Plan , Yahweh's Plan for you, do not wait.I'm optimistic that He'll find faith when He comes back, even if it's smaller than a mustard seed
10:15b and bring glad tidings of good things!Romans 10:14-15 “How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”
But the seed (Word of God) works in everybody no matter what type of ground they are.
What is wrong with that statement?I was right with you until I got to the part above.
M-Bob
Jesus died for sinners. All of them.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
We see from these verses that many were made sinners. Not everybody was made a sinner.
I always thought everybody was a sinner, but this verse says otherwise.
And Jesus came for sinners, and He gave His life a ransom for many. He would not have needed to die for people who weren't affected by Adam's sin. So He died for the many who were affected by Adam's sin.
Actually what I did was use the same exact argument that you guys use to say that Jesus didn't die for everybody in citing Romans 5:19. The word "many" is the same word used in the verses that say He died for many. G4183Gotta be honest, I laughed out loud when you argued that Jesus died for "all" sinners, then proceeded to quote verses (and bold) that had the word "many"
As for your argument, I think a proper understanding of the verse is this:
"the many" in both parts of Paul's argument is determined by the context.
Adam represents all of humanity. So the "many" that Adam's fall affected was the entire human race.
But Christ doesn't represent all of humanity - he's only the Federal Head of those who put their faith in him. So "the many" that Christ's work affects is not the entire human race, but only believers.
I think you may be misinterpreting the verse/Paul's argument if you think the phrase "the many were made sinners", Paul is trying to teach that some people aren't sinners because only "many" (and not all) are "made sinners"
Rather, Paul is simply comparing what Adam did, and who it affected, with what Christ did, and who it affected. The whole argument is about the concept of federal headship.
Christ is the "second Adam" and both "Adams" represent people: Adam the entire human race, and Christ, believers.
If you read the whole passage (verse 12 through 21) this becomes more clear.
Blessings.
(Ps, verse 12 outright contradicts your argument from the start. It plainly says "death spread to all men because all sinned" This is the exact opposite of what you posited when you said "I thought everyone was a sinner, but this verse says otherwise". So either you are misunderstanding the Bible or the Apostle Paul contradicted himself within a span of 7 verses)
That is human reasoning.It would not make sense that He died for the ones that will end up in hell.
M-Bob
That is human reasoning.
Even if God's ways don't make sense to our peanut brains doesn't mean they are not true.
Actually what I did was use the same exact argument that you guys use to say that Jesus didn't die for everybody in citing Romans 5:19. The word "many" is the same word used in the verses that say He died for many. G4183
So what we are seeing here is if Jesus didn't die for everyone because we see the word "many", then not everybody was made a sinner by Adam because the word used is many in Romans 5:19. G4183
How do you come to this conclusion?Christ's death, burial and resurrection affected many = in this case it refers to believers only.
Christ did die for those that go to hell and that is a very good reason for them to go to hell, because they refused to accept the ransom He offered them in His allowing others to torture, humiliate and murder Him.It would not make sense that He died for the ones that will end up in hell.
M-Bob
Christ did die for those that go to hell and that is a very good reason for them to go to hell, because they refused to accept the ransom He offered them in His allowing others to torture, humiliate and murder Him.