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For the most part, for me and others it turned out better to not even read the posts of some religions because they don't come here to learn anything. Actually that was a surprise for me and took months to find out - not reading the posts led to much greater true peace, and to encouraging posts with others who are seeking Yahweh's Kingdom now, instead of some other kingdom.
 
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That's fine, Jeff. If you want to keep posting the letter of the law which kills, instead of focusing on the Spirit which gives life, that is up to you to quench or be made complete in Him. The choice is yours.
How would you know ? Since this post of yours is totally in error, there doesn't seem to be seeking* truth on your part, does there ?

*for years now. As seen previously in the content of your replies.
 
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That is precisely what James is addressing, actually. James is written to believers, already saved, who were not living that faith out in the sight of other people. Scripture is clear, we are justified to God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by our works.



We can, but we've been over this, and we obviously do not agree on the actual context and intent of James.



Absurd. I don't have a problem with James at all. James does not teach a works based salvation. There is no contradiction.



And what would that sin that leads to death be, do you think? The willful sin of rejecting Christ, our only hope of salvation, perhaps? Or was Paul writing of physical death here? We need to understand the proper context after all, not all "death" referred to in Scripture is eternal in nature.



I trust Scripture. Even when I am "faithless" (that is, I fail and do not live up to God's righteous standards) He abides faithful and cannot deny Himself. I am sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, and He that began this good work in me, He will bring it to completion.

I trust Him, I rest in Him.



The wages of sin is death. All sin.


I am aware of Catholic Answers and what the Catholic Church teaches on this subject, thank you.

But yes, he who offends in one, offends in all. Also, as Jesus said, hate is a murder and lust is as adultery.


Yes, exactly. This is why all sin is mortal.
This is why the only hope we have is in the only One who has perfectly obeyed God's Law and met His righteous standards.



What does it mean to "continue in faith"? Faith is not self-effort.


I've addressed what the "willful sin" is already, according to Scripture.

Again, what is meant by "trampling the Son of God underfoot"? Or "profaning the blood of the covenant"?



And when you have even one envious thought, even one lazy moment, even one second where you give into worry or despair, even one instance where you put just one small thing above God, if you tell even one lie, if you get angry with someone unjustly even once, or say even one unkind thing, you are equally guilty. That is how serious sin is, that is how deep sin goes, and that is how high God's righteous and holy standard is.

So, who then can be saved? Where is our hope? In ourselves and our "making Him Lord of our lives? In our righteous acts of obedience and submission? No. In Christ alone, the only One who has lived a sinless, blameless life, entirely. The only Way to be saved.



"Only the sin of rejecting Christ"?

It seems you don't believe that rejecting Christ is all that serious, as though there are more serious sins than that.

Scripture is clear, there is no other sacrifice for sin. If anyone considers the blood of Christ an "unclean thing" and insufficient to cleanse us from sin, than that person remains in their sin and they surely will not be saved.

I would say there is absolutely no more serious sin than that. To reject the only Way, the only Truth, the only Life, Jesus Christ.



Jesus offered Himself for all sin. The Old Testament sacrificial system was a "type and shadow", pointing to Christ.



Paul was absolutely clear about the sin in his flesh in Romans 7. And the point is, you do not need to actually kill someone physically to commit murder in the eyes of God. Jesus is clear, hatred is as murder. Nor do you need to actually have sex with someone outside of marriage, to commit adultery, as Jesus said, lust is as adultery. So who then can claim they are blameless of these sins before God? Apart from Christ, no one. Sin is deadly serious indeed.



What it says is that only those who do "the will of the Father" will enter the kingdom of heaven. So, what does Jesus say the "will of the Father is?"


Great post as usual. Christianity 101....What is the will of the Father? BELIEVE on the One He sent....of course if one chooses not to believe,we’ll work it out in purgatory
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In her message she is in no way apathetic towards sin.
She describes sin as evil, she says God hates sin, she says sin can have terrible consequences.
I think she really hates sin. Loving God will do that to us.

What is sin? What does God's Word tell us is sin?

God says in Leviticus we are to be holy, for He is holy.

What is it to be holy? Is it to do as God Commands us? to recognize that which He has Hallowed (made Holy)?
 
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How would you know ? Since this post of yours is totally in error, there doesn't seem to be seeking* truth on your part, does there ?

*for years now. As seen previously in the content of your replies.

It is the Holy Spirit that writes God's laws on our hearts. We are born again. We are new creatures.

It is funny. I've been attacked all through this thread by hyper-non-legalists, and now by a legalist. What fun...
 
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Good morning all! Ow that we all have had a good night’s sleep , can we devote a few minutes to the long-awaited posts regarding “ sins of omission” being such a fan of James and all......according to James We have all broken 613 laws today—— and it’s not even noon!! Man, I sure need a Saviour! Ya think that may have been James point?
 
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It is the Holy Spirit that writes God's laws on our hearts. We are born again. We are new creatures.

It is funny. I've been attacked all through this thread by hyper-non-legalists, and now by a legalist. What fun...

Century lady ...you are wrong about everything you post and of course I am right ,but having said that...I really do like you a lot! God bless you ,errant woman. Lol
 
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Great post as usual. Christianity 101....What is the will of the Father? BELIEVE on the One He sent....of course if one chooses not to believe,we’ll work it out in purgatory
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Exactly. The "will of the Father" is to "believe on the Son."
 
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It is the Holy Spirit that writes God's laws on our hearts. We are born again. We are new creatures.

It is funny. I've been attacked all through this thread by hyper-non-legalists, and now by a legalist. What fun...

I hope that you do not see my responses to you as an "attack"...

I am curious as well, as to what you mean by "hyper non-legalists."
 
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Good morning all! Ow that we all have had a good night’s sleep , can we devote a few minutes to the long-awaited posts regarding “ sins of omission” being such a fan of James and all......according to James We have all broken 613 laws today—— and it’s not even noon!! Man, I sure need a Saviour! Ya think that may have been James point?

Indeed. James has been difficult for many (myself included) which is why we must earnestly study and search the Scriptures, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We know God is not the Author of confusion and He does not contradict Himself.

Salvation is a gift, not earned or merited by us. It is the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Period.

God bless.
 
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Indeed. James has been difficult for many (myself included) which is why we must earnestly study and search the Scriptures, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We know God is not the Author of confusion and He does not contradict Himself.

Salvation is a gift, not earned or merited by us. It is the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Period.

God bless.
Indeed. James has been difficult for many (myself included) which is why we must earnestly study and search the Scriptures, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We know God is not the Author of confusion and He does not contradict Himself.

Salvation is a gift, not earned or merited by us. It is the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Period.

God bless.


A hyper non-legalists? Don’t know who our good friend has in mind but if a vote were taken , I think Luther would be a prime candidate. “Sin Boldly”. Dim bulbs do not understand where he was coming from....I thank God for him
 
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A hyper non-legalists? Don’t know who our good friend has in mind but if a vote were taken , I think Luther would be a prime candidate. “Sin Boldly”. Dim bulbs do not understand where he was coming from....I thank God for him


James used to be troublesome for me also....not any longer
 
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Is Romans 7:13-25 about Christians
Yes, about Christians who have the Holy Spirit in them who don't depend on the Holy Spirit.
That is why most believers live defeated lives.
Paul said he wanted to do good, but the law kept condemning him. That is why Paul makes such a big deal about not being under the law.
Many believers today are depending on Jesus for there salvation, but they are told the need to keep the law or have good behavior to be blessed by God. So in Chapter 8, Paul tells the believer how they can have victory and be blessed by God.

Had he been a Pharisee? This was about the LAW. We are not under the law. Think again. Romans 7 was the end of his teaching on the law which had started in chapter 1, and chapter 8 introduces the Spirit. You are not the only one that believes this mistake. It is a dangerous teaching, making it seem we have no power as Christians. We do. I hope you all can find it.

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If we do not depend on the Spirit we will not have victory. Many powerless Christians will go to Heaven because they believed on Jesus and His finished work, but all there works will be burnt up as in 1 Corinthians 3.
Paul wrote to believing Galatians that they should walk in the Spirit and then they would not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
At the end of chapter 7 it answers the question of who can save me from that constant battle of knowledge of the law over carnal nature. And the answer is Jesus. If the law could save us, Christ died in vain. We can't love as commanded. Only by becoming dead to sin, and empowered by the Spirit can we bear fruit.
No truer words have been spoken.

OK. So this statement from St. Paul applies to believers:

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
That means if a believer does "sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these" he "will not inherit the kingdom of God."
The "Kingdom of God" and "salvation" are not the same thing.
Jesus said in John 3:3, 8 that we must be born again, for if we were not born again we could not see or enter the Kingdom of God. Being born again and salvation are the same thing.
 
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Yes, about Christians who have the Holy Spirit in them who don't depend on the Holy Spirit.
That is why most believers live defeated lives.
Paul said he wanted to do good, but the law kept condemning him. That is why Paul makes such a big deal about not being under the law.
Many believers today are depending on Jesus for there salvation, but they are told the need to keep the law or have good behavior to be blessed by God. So in Chapter 8, Paul tells the believer how they can have victory and be blessed by God.


If we do not depend on the Spirit we will not have victory. Many powerless Christians will go to Heaven because they believed on Jesus and His finished work, but all there works will be burnt up as in 1 Corinthians 3.
Paul wrote to believing Galatians that they should walk in the Spirit and then they would not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
No truer words have been spoken.

The "Kingdom of God" and "salvation" are not the same thing.
Jesus said in John 3:3, 8 that we must be born again, for if we were not born again we could not see or enter the Kingdom of God. Being born again and salvation are the same thing.


Because I believe Paul’s Gospel I am Righteous in Gods eyes.i make absolutely NO effort to keep the law..I’ve discovered a paradox in my faith...the less I work at keeping the law,The better I do at it....now that does not make sense! Unless God put the law in my heart.what a joyful life I found when I learned to “ let go and let God””
 
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A hyper non-legalists? Don’t know who our good friend has in mind but if a vote were taken , I think Luther would be a prime candidate. “Sin Boldly”. Dim bulbs do not understand where he was coming from....I thank God for him

What???!!! What do you mean by Luther saying "Sin Boldly"? Did he really say that? You just gave me chills!
 
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What do you mean by Luther saying "Sin Boldly"? Did he really say that? You just gave me chills!

Martin Luther "Sin boldly"):
"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard, for you are quite a sinner."

Revelation 3:3-6 to the age of the Reformation
The Dead Church
3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
 
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I hope that you do not see my responses to you as an "attack"...

I am curious as well, as to what you mean by "hyper non-legalists."

Read my post #260
That is about "hyper non-legalists."
 
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A hyper non-legalists? Don’t know who our good friend has in mind but if a vote were taken , I think Luther would be a prime candidate. “Sin Boldly”. Dim bulbs do not understand where he was coming from....I thank God for him

Thank you for this huge clue. I've often wondered why there are so many that are lost in the church when we all use the same Bible. It's not the Bible they are reading, it is Luther! Yikes!
 
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Thank you for this huge clue. I've often wondered why there are so many that are lost in the church when we all use the same Bible. It's not the Bible they are reading, it is Luther! Yikes!

We should follow no man or woman, only Christ.
 
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What???!!! What do you mean by Luther saying "Sin Boldly"? Did he really say that? You just gave me chills!

Century lady. Please. Don’t have a heart attack..... I like you too much for that!
 
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