Unity and abortion
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What I'm saying is Jesus is the way to unite Christians period. Unity in sharing faith and spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. Anyone who believes that unity is going to come from some sort of political agenda is very mistaken.
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Obama would severely disagree with you since he is a firm believer in Eugenics.
How come all the people who are for abortion only want to take the life of someone else? Wouldn't it be ironic if all the people that were for abortion just took their own lives?
Heh, problem solved...
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Whatsoever you do to the least of my brother, that you do unto me.
. Jesus, circa 30 AD.
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Indeed, why don't the opponents of abortion come up with scripture that opposes abortion? Its not there. The only verses they can cite can only be interpreted as anti-abortion by inserting the assumption they apply.
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It's never too late to abort you, then, is it? You're playing with definitions. You couldn't rewrite the scripture, so you slice off a segment of murder and call it by a different name, because that's the kind of murder that would never make you its victim.
Does the Bible have anything to say against geoiconoflagellation (the slapping of people who use pictures of the Earth as their avatar)? Give me your scripture.
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See? You insist abortion is murder and then use anti-murder verses. But where is your scriptural justification for saying abortion is murder? That you don't have.
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Acts 23:2-3 The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, "God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?"
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And you will become more charitable and loving to those who feel driven to abort their child, not condemning them for that.
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Im not trying to condemn anyone. We are all sinners. Why would you think i am condemning anyone? Or were you speaking in general?
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In general. We need to do less condemning. And we need to remember, disagreeing does not necessarily mean condemning.
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I made a claim that something is NOT in scripture, and you demand I quote scripture to prove it. You are making no sense.
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The scriptural justification comes from the fact that the unborn are people, fully human.
It is a scientific fact.
The Bible talks about people in the womb.
For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.
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Similar to interpretations of scriptures, people perceive politics differently. Usually this tends to cause misunderstood differences and furthers opposing beliefs/opinions against each other. It's unfair to both sides assuming the worse and judging them.
As for Christians who're conservative, it's not their opposed to caring for women and children (whoever else); but believe politically it's not the governments role and does more to impose it's will than solve the problem. Also considered apart of it is natural motivation, that too much dependency causes a lack of effort to do for yourself what's possible; people should be thankful and not envious, while people should be charitable and not greedy. It's somewhat a form of conservative secularism and individualism; the government has it's role, the church has it's role, and the people have their role.
Progressive Christians have a different political perspective, their own beliefs/opinions about the roles of the government, the church, and the people. They're less willing to leave it to society to handle it themselves, that the people are either less capable or circumstances more difficult than thought. While they'd rather not for example support the legality of abortion; not much can be done to address the underlying problems causing it by fully opposing it. Worse would force it underground, continuing to have harm done; not only to unborn babies but mothers too. So it's another perspective of consideration about natural motivations; what people would inevitable do and the harm it would cause if dependent upon other questionable choices.
Only way to start uniting politically on any issue is first bridge the gap of perspectives. Somehow finding common ground of the concerns and circumstances of the problem to have an agreeable solution for most.
As for Christians who're conservative, it's not their opposed to caring for women and children (whoever else); but believe politically it's not the governments role and does more to impose it's will than solve the problem. Also considered apart of it is natural motivation, that too much dependency causes a lack of effort to do for yourself what's possible; people should be thankful and not envious, while people should be charitable and not greedy. It's somewhat a form of conservative secularism and individualism; the government has it's role, the church has it's role, and the people have their role.
Progressive Christians have a different political perspective, their own beliefs/opinions about the roles of the government, the church, and the people. They're less willing to leave it to society to handle it themselves, that the people are either less capable or circumstances more difficult than thought. While they'd rather not for example support the legality of abortion; not much can be done to address the underlying problems causing it by fully opposing it. Worse would force it underground, continuing to have harm done; not only to unborn babies but mothers too. So it's another perspective of consideration about natural motivations; what people would inevitable do and the harm it would cause if dependent upon other questionable choices.
Only way to start uniting politically on any issue is first bridge the gap of perspectives. Somehow finding common ground of the concerns and circumstances of the problem to have an agreeable solution for most.
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First step to unity is to agree that the abortion of a third of each generation is horrifying to contemplate.
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How "self-righteous" of the ProLife advocates to lecture the rest of us as to the sanctity of human life, only to choose to remain silent sitting on their "collective hands," when this Republican President and Congress, that they helped elect, recently allowed funding for the Children's Health Insurance Plan (CHIP) for 9 million of America's most vulnerable children to lapse!
Actions speak louder than words, despite all the rhetoric to the contrary by the ProLife supporters for expectant mothers to continue with a full term pregnancy, you're literally on your own once that baby is born - don't expect any support in America if you're poor or have a special needs child!
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