Planned Parenthood is in Deep Trouble With the Law.

[rambot]

"Change your mind or I will cut your head off" is generally the way that Islamists carry out their arguments.

Extremists of every group (religion or otherwise) have more in common with each other than the moderate and CERTAINLY progressive adherents of their own group (religion or otherwise).

Muslim extremists have MORE in common with right wing extremists than with the average muslim I know (at least in ideology). I mean, at least Muslim extremists have the cahones to act on their utterly repugnant positions.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Abortion is legal and will continue to be so. That is fact. Destroying Planned Parenthood would inconvenience some people- it wouldn't stop abortion.

This is correct, though I'd quantify destroying Planned Parenthood as being more than merely an inconvenience to people since it supplies critically needed healthcare, such as performing cancer screenings, and providing treatment and medication for a plethora of issues unrelated to abortions. I have friends who are reliant upon them for obtaining affordable medication to treat PCOS, a common condition in premenopausal women. They also have an excellent educational program to train teachers on how to give compelling human development education, aka "sex ed", and contrary to what many believe, it actually stresses abstinence in adolescence and young adulthood. A private school in my hometown credited Planned Parenthood's educational program for being a contributing factor in having a zero percent teen birth rate throughout its history. (Little bit of trivia to throw in - it's the school Steve Bannon's daughters graduated from in recent years).

Many Latin American countries where edicts of Catholicism are enshrined into law and abortion is not only illegal in virtually all circumstances, but women who have it are considered to be automatically excommunicated, actually have higher rates of abortion than the United States. Complications from amateur-administered abortions are the leading cause of maternal deaths in Argentina. And our abortion rates are higher than Western Europe's, where abortions are provided for free in several countries.

One of my professors extensively studied abortion rates for more than a decade, to determine the ramifications of policies related to them. The abortion rates fell to historic lows during Obama's presidency, with the driving forces being improved socioeconomic conditions; access to effective, affordable contraceptives; and effective education. It's why Defunding Planned Parenthood would actually increase abortions.

 

[rambot]

Yet again Standfordella undercuts an argument with fact, reason, and clarity. But the problem with your argument is that there is not enough JUDGEMENT and condemnation of people.

Don't worry. You'll get it right someday.

 

[Nithavela]

The same god who, if you believe the bible, ordered the deaths of children and infants and pregnant women. I'm willing to bet you will find some way to justify that!

Well, he did create everything, so he's allowed to destroy it.

You know, like that guy from the computer shop who regularily kicks down my door and goes to town on my electronics with a sledgehammer.

I hate that guy.

 

[Desk trauma]

"Change your mind or I will cut your head off" is generally the way that Islamists carry out their arguments.

That’s nice.

If you read my posts closely, what’s actually written not what fits your argument, you will find no references to beheading nor violence against people of any kind.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is not a convincing piece in my mind. Given how the videos were debunked and discredited it all seems a bit preposterous and baseless in my mind.

Didn't this nonsense come out of the same group that was just recently caught trying to fabricate false allegations against a GOP senate candidate?

 

[SolomonVII]

That’s nice.

If you read my posts closely, what’s actually written not what fits your argument, you will find no references to beheading nor violence against people of any kind.

But why not?
Your argument is that unless radical (and illegal) steps are taken, shut as destruction of property and physically impeding people from entering the building, then you are not going to believe that someone really, really truly believes in the issue.
Convincing people that what they are doing is wrong through talking was deemed by you to be evidence that people really don't believe. What was needed to convince you was acts of lawlessness. Why stop at disabling the clinic then? If people really, really believed wouldn't they disable the abortion providers too?
Otherwise how would you be convinced that they really, really believe?

 

[W2L]

Sure. Just ask peter, paul, saul, a couple other apostles im guessing

Ok you got me there.

 

[Winken]

The same god who, if you believe the bible, ordered the deaths of children and infants and pregnant women. I'm willing to bet you will find some way to justify that!

1 Corinthians 2:14.
Romans 10:8-13.

 

[Winken]

Abortion is legal and will continue to be so. That is fact. Destroying Planned Parenthood would inconvenience some people- it wouldn't stop abortion.

Inconvenience? Hello? It is convenient for a woman to murder her child? gimme-a-break.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Abortion is legal and will continue to be so. That is fact.

Really?

 

[Nithavela]

Really?

At least for the foreseeable future, ya, rly.

 

[Par5]

1 Corinthians 2:14.
Romans 10:8-13.

What is all that supposed to mean? Is it just an extremely poor attempt to excuse the mass slaughter of children, infants and pregnant women as recorded in the bible? A slaughter attributed to the biblical god.

 

[Winken]

What is all that supposed to mean? Is it just an extremely poor attempt to excuse the mass slaughter of children, infants and pregnant women as recorded in the bible? A slaughter attributed to the biblical god.

Well, your question confirms the scripture I quoted. You don't understand, and you won't, as long as you fail to confess Jesus as Savior.

 

[Par5]

Well, your question confirms the scripture I quoted. You don't understand, and you won't, as long as you fail to confess Jesus as Savior.

Never have been much good when it comes to reading gobbledegook, so if you will excuse my ignorance in understanding the verses you presented, perhaps you might like to tell me in plain English whether or not you think it is acceptable for anyone to deliberately kill helpless children, infants and pregnant women? That is not a trick question!

 

[Winken]

Never have been much good when it comes to reading gobbledegook, so if you will excuse my ignorance in understanding the verses you presented, perhaps you might like to tell me in plain English whether or not you think it is acceptable for anyone to deliberately kill helpless children, infants and pregnant women? That is not a trick question!

We do not live, move and breathe under the disciplines, rules, regulations, of ancient scriptures. The Law of Moses is gone. We live under the amazing Grace of God through Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord. Christians stand forgiven of sin at the Cross, and that includes daily sins. That was not the case before the Cross, before the advent of Christianity. Jesus, in His sacrifice for each of us, obliterated any and all sacrifices under the Old Testament and the Hebrew Religion. HE paid it all, all to Him we owe.

NO ONE ..... NO ONE ..... in the authentic Christian Faith thinks it is acceptable for anyone to deliberately kill helpless children, infants and pregnant women. And that includes abortion.

Only those who are outside our Faith follow that grievously deceptive immoral egregious path. That includes those who lie about their Christian faith. That includes all those who are failing to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Confess Romans 10:8-13 and begin your Christian journey. Then you'll understand.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Abortion = MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE

PP needs to be disolved

So being that you think that abortion is murder, does that mean we can assume that you vote for all of the things that have proven to lower abortion and unplanned pregnancy rates?
(voting to increase social safety nets for low income Americans, providing public cheap/free access to contraceptives, voting to expand sex education in public schools)

...because most of the "Abortion is Murder" people consistently vote for policies that all but guarantee higher abortion rates in low income communities, but then claim to loathe the very outcome of those policies.

They want to vote for abstinence-only education, they want to vote for gutting social safety nets, they want to vote for allowing companies to deny contraceptive coverage,...but then when the predictable outcome of unplanned pregnancy occurs, they want to sit up in their ivory tower and chastise the people who are getting abortions.

 

[Nithavela]

We do not live, move and breathe under the disciplines, rules, regulations, of ancient scriptures. The Law of Moses is gone. We live under the amazing Grace of God through Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord. Christians stand forgiven of sin at the Cross, and that includes daily sins. That was not the case before the Cross, before the advent of Christianity. Jesus, in His sacrifice for each of us, obliterated any and all sacrifices under the Old Testament and the Hebrew Religion. HE paid it all, all to Him we owe.

NO ONE ..... NO ONE ..... in the authentic Christian Faith thinks it is acceptable for anyone to deliberately kill helpless children, infants and pregnant women. And that includes abortion.

Only those who are outside our Faith follow that grievously deceptive immoral egregious path. That includes those who lie about their Christian faith. That includes all those who are failing to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Confess Romans 10:8-13 and begin your Christian journey. Then you'll understand.

Not very convincing for someone who doesn't already believe.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Inconvenience? Hello? It is convenient for a woman to murder her child? gimme-a-break.

It would inconvenience people, with other health care problems. The poor seek help from planned parenthood. I'm other ways. Most women I know. That had abortions are middle class young Christians. And their Christian boyfriends wanted them to have abortions. Because, They didn't want to have a child yet. Or more children. Or maybe they were cheating on their wives. If planned parenthood goes away. Something else will just replace it. I've known a few Christians, that pretend they haven't had abortion. And fight against planned parenthood and abortions. Calling it murder. Liberals should keep their legs shut. Or learn to be responsible. Even though the are Conservative Christians. That doesn't practice what they preach. So this is what I think of people, that claim to be against abortion.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Really?

In the United States it is. And before it became legal. Every year a lot of women were dying from abortions. And a grown women trumps over a fetus.