Any former Roman Catholics here?

[Light of the East]

I am a former Roman Catholic. I was pretty int it too; at one time I attended sedevacantist churches.

Will start a private conversation with you.

 

[Light of the East]

Former Roman here

Starting a private conversation with you.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I answered your IM. any time you need to talk, Light, I'm here!

Starting a private conversation with you.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

well, we disagree on God, salvation, heaven, hell, soul after death, the Fall, grace, merits, transubstantiation, sacraments, revelation, Mary, the saints, and ecclesiology.

but aside from that, we're very much alike

Some of those you mention are very real, by that I mean it's a noteworthy difference.
But the list your presenting is a typical converts-list I think.
Overemphasising smaller differences almost of semantic value as demarcation from something one dislikes.

The soul after death for example, you reject purgatory (I don't embrace it myself fyi) but have invented this crazy idea of tollhouses which is, to be honest far more speculative if I dear say so.
There are scriptural passages that may point towards purgatory, but I honestly cannot see any reason to believe in these tollhouses.
Generally its difficult to find clear doctrine in the EO-communion as it's often mystified rather than articulated doctrine.
One priest hold one opinion rather strongly another don't...

 

[ArmyMatt]

Some of those you mention are very real, by that I mean it's a noteworthy difference.
But the list your presenting is a typical converts-list I think.
Overemphasising smaller differences almost of semantic value as demarcation from something one dislikes.

The soul after death for example, you reject purgatory (I don't embrace it myself fyi) but have invented this crazy idea of tollhouses which is, to be honest far more speculative if I dear say so.
There are scriptural passages that may point towards purgatory, but I honestly cannot see any reason to believe in these tollhouses.
Generally its difficult to find clear doctrine in the EO-communion as it's often mystified rather than articulated doctrine.
One priest hold one opinion rather strongly another don't...

well, no. the toll houses goes back clearly as early as St Hippolytus of Rome. and the parable of the rich young fool, and the parable of Lazarus and the rich man make the toll house case clear. plus we are not to overliteralize anything eschatological, which is what those who detract from the toll houses always do.

there are no Scriptural passages that clearly point to Purgatory, and no early Father supports them.

and again, that list came from a cradle Orthodox, not a convert like me

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Episcopalian turned evangelical. although what I is irrelevant to your incorrect statement.

and I got that line from a cradle Orthodox anyway.

Incorrect statement? I was right on the money. I'm familiar with many folks like you.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Incorrect statement? I was right on the money. I'm familiar with many folks like you.

Peace to you.

If you have questions, feel free to ask. If you desire fellowship, we welcome you.

If it's something else you're after, perhaps you will respect our forum? Please feel free to post in our St. Justin Martyr's forum if you wish to debate.

Thank you.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Incorrect statement? I was right on the money. I'm familiar with many folks like you.

you very well may be familiar with folks like me. however saying that we only have perceived differences is incorrect. our saints say the differences are more than perceived, and they know more about our faith than you do.

 

[Bessie]

I am a former Roman Catholic, converted in high school. I've been Orthodox for ten years now.

 

[Bessie]

well, no. the toll houses goes back clearly as early as St Hippolytus of Rome. and the parable of the rich young fool, and the parable of Lazarus and the rich man make the toll house case clear. plus we are not to overliteralize anything eschatological, which is what those who detract from the toll houses always do.

there are no Scriptural passages that clearly point to Purgatory, and no early Father supports them.

and again, that list came from a cradle Orthodox, not a convert like me

I mean not to be a pain Father, but doesn't the Didache kind of do this when it says that certain people will be imprisoned and not get out until they have paid the last cent? We were just learning this in our catechetical class last week. Since we didn't pick up the notion of purgatory instead we have this notion that perhaps some people from from Hell to Heaven. And we definitely believe in purification after death, right?

 

[ArmyMatt]

I mean not to be a pain Father, but doesn't the Didache kind of do this when it says that certain people will be imprisoned and not get out until they have paid the last cent? We were just learning this in our catechetical class last week. Since we didn't pick up the notion of purgatory instead we have this notion that perhaps some people from from Hell to Heaven. And we definitely believe in purification after death, right?

I think that's in the Didache, but you don't see the idea there that there is a class of the saved who must be punished to purify themselves. there is no third condition after death. there is only hades or paradise.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Peace to you.

If you have questions, feel free to ask. If you desire fellowship, we welcome you.

If it's something else you're after, perhaps you will respect our forum? Please feel free to post in our St. Justin Martyr's forum if you wish to debate.

Thank you.

I had a question and I did ask, thank you for giving me permission though. I am always open to fellowship. Why do you think I am looking for debate and in what way have I disrespected this forum? I don't appreciate the allegations or accusatory tone (both of which negate your initial sentence).

 

[ArmenianJohn]

you very well may be familiar with folks like me. however saying that we only have perceived differences is incorrect. our saints say the differences are more than perceived, and they know more about our faith than you do.

Saying that the differences are perceived is simply an observation of fact. They are perceived differences whether there is more to them or not. I said it that way specifically because allows for us both to acknowledge that the differences are perceived (i.e. recognized, acknowledged, seen, known) without having to get into whether there is more to them or not; it allows for them to be more than perceived or not and thereby accommodates both of our views.

Yes, I am very familiar with folks like you, very very much so.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Why do you think I am looking for debate and in what way have I disrespected this forum? I don't appreciate the allegations or accusatory tone (both of which negate your initial sentence).

Because of your continued turning of the conversation to "folks like you". Perhaps you meant something else by it, though in common usage I confess I can't guess what it might be. But there is a reason that it is explicitly against the rules of CF to turn the discussion onto the persons of the ones you discuss with. It is also not particularly good form to try to inform someone of another faith group what they believe, when they try to answer your questions.

Forgive me if you read allegations and accusations into my post. They were not intended. But the fact of the matter is, your posts would probably be seen by mods as goading. However, rather than reporting them, I have attempted to keep everything civil. That is still my purpose.

Please feel free to ask if you don't understand what I'm trying to explain regarding CF rules.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[All4Christ]

What's the difference, really?

This is a good question, but considering that it is off topic to this thread, I recommend starting a different thread in the TAW subforums.

Here is a useful website though. That said - the website is just a high level overview. For Roman Catholics: Quick Questions & Answers on Orthodoxy

 

[ArmenianJohn]

This is a good question, but considering that it is off topic to this thread, I recommend starting a different thread in the TAW subforums.

Here is a useful website though. That said - the website is just a high level overview. For Roman Catholics: Quick Questions & Answers on Orthodoxy

Thank you, All4Christ, I appreciate it.

 

[Anhelyna]

Gentle folks

I would like to remind all posters that TAW is a non-debate area - if you want to debate please make a thread in St Justin Martyr's corner.

The constant goading that is being seen in this thread cannot and must not continue.

I would like to suggest that all posters should read, and re-read, their posts before hitting the reply button.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Anhelyna - Senior Ambassador Member

 

[All4Christ]

Anytime!

If you want to know more, feel free to start a thread in St Basil’s (or St Justin’s if you want to be able to debate) It is a good forum to get answers to questions about Eastern Orthodoxy.

Thank you, All4Christ, I appreciate it.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I think that's in the Didache, but you don't see the idea there that there is a class of the saved who must be punished to purify themselves. there is no third condition after death. there is only hades or paradise.

Christ has once and for all conquered death which makes any teaching which involves his sheep's being held away from paradise for any period of time due to sinfulness on earth and stains on a persons soul incompatible with the glory of Christ.

Christ won, we're no longer slaves of the flesh and the world has no power over us, the children of God. I wholeheartedly reject both tollhouses as well as purgatory.
It's simply undermining the victory of Christ.

Death has lost, Satan has no lower left if he ever got any...

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

BTW, Happy birthday Matt