Matthew 25 Jesus Returns In Final Judgment, Eternal Kingdom

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When God created humans , humans are made of two parts . one part is the physical body , the other part is the spirit/soul . For the conversation will simply say spirit.
Then go back the Genesis and read the story about the creation of the first Adam and see that he was not born of a woman because he was the first created human . God formed Adam from the dust of the earth then breathed life into him so that he became alive and give him the spirit of Life. God took a rib from Adam and did the same to create Eve

Animals also have the breath of life in them. Do they have eternal spirits in them?

Genesis 2:7
7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 7:22
of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died

What you indicate is not even close to what scripture says , you simply misunderstand what you read

I could say the same about you. We both have a different way of viewing scripture.

The spirit is eternal as it never dies ,

eternal life is a gift from God for those who believe.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If Jesus had not been raised from the dead, where would those eternal spirits have gone? No where, for they would have perished.

1 Corinthians 15:17-18
and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished

When the scriptures says that when people die they are asleep it refers to the appearance of a person sleeping ,laying down motionless etc.

in other words, physically dead.

You said this:
So you do not live again when the spirit goes to heaven

Then you said:
People in heaven can be said they are alive in heaven

Not following you here. Please elaborate, as it appears contradictory, but may not be if you can clarify.

Jesus is in heaven and is alive

Amen to that!
 
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The natural ...the body was created first then the spirit of life was put into it
Once again you have a complete misunderstanding of what you are reading. Scripture you give focuses On the Resurrected body as the flesh body is corrupt and cannot enter into heaven as it is corrupted by sin,,read the rest of the chapter you post scripture of
Then go back the Genesis and read the story about the creation of the first Adam and see that he was not born of a woman because he was the first created human . God formed Adam from the dust of the earth then breathed life into him so that he became alive and give him the spirit of Life. God took a rib from Adam and did the same to create Eve
What you indicate is not even close to what scripture says , you simply misunderstand what you read

When the OT saints died, they did not go to heaven to be the Lord.

John 3:13
13No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

Hebrew 11:13-16
All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. 15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.



The OT saints are not made perfect apart from the body of Christ.

Hebrews 11:39
39And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.


If Jesus did not ascend to the father until after his resurrection, why would we ascend before the resurrection, especially if Christ is the first fruit?

John 20:17
17Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
 
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What do you think the REWARD unto thy servants the Prophets, and to the Saints is about?


Joh 5:27  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 

Joh 5:28  Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 

Joh 5:29  And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 

Joh 5:30  I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 


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Animals also have the breath of life in them. Do they have eternal spirits in them?

Genesis 2:7
7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 7:22
of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do you see that animals are created in the image of Almighty God ? Did he give animals dominion over all the earth ? NO!
Only mankind spirit is raised incorruptible ,
Genesis 7 you refer to is God wiping out mankind because of sin , that is not speaking of the resurrection

Paul speaking in Corinth was speaking of the resurrection of those who died in Christ and ALSO those who receive a Glorified incorruptible body who did NOT Die a physical death
you pick out scriptures that you think supports your view and ignore the context of the chapter you find it in
That is called taking it OUT of Context , you are rearranging the scriptures to suit you desire
To have the proper understanding you must include all of the textual message in which you find the verse
 
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Do you see that animals are created in the image of Almighty God ? Did he give animals dominion over all the earth ? NO!
Absolutely agree. But you are going to have to show that the phrase image of God means we have an immortal soul.
Only mankind spirit is raised incorruptible ,
So we agree, that the Hebrew phrase "breath of life" is not the giving of the soul.
Genesis 7 you refer to is God wiping out mankind because of sin , that is not speaking of the resurrection
Those who say mankind has an immortal soul is because of the phrase: breath of life. that's why it was brought up.

Paul speaking in Corinth was speaking of the resurrection of those who died in Christ and ALSO those who receive a Glorified incorruptible body who did NOT Die a physical death

Here is my question again: If Christ has not been raised, then those who died in Christ have perished. How is this possible if they have an immortal soul?

And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished



you pick out scriptures that you think supports your view and ignore the context of the chapter you find it in
That is called taking it OUT of Context , you are rearranging the scriptures to suit you desire
To have the proper understanding you must include all of the textual message in which you find the verse

Please explain the cherry picked verses and how you would interpret them.

Additionally, if Christ did not ascend to the father until after his resurrection. why do we ascend to the father before the resurrection?
 
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Here is my answer to your question: if Jesus said that the son of man would come during the lifetime of his audience, then I believe Him.
Several other posters and I have tried for about 3 days and many many scriptures to show you that Jesus has not yet returned in his 2 coming , but you insist that he has returned, it seems that you belong to some other type of belief system that teaches a different gospel , we try to change topic and it is still the same thing where your views are not in line with the bible teachings , This has become an unproductive use of time . I truly hope that you find your way .
(Matthew 10:14; Luke 9:5). In Mark 6:11 Jesus says, “And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.” In the Matthew 10 account, Jesus clarifies His meaning: “Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town” (verse 15).
. In the scriptural examples, Jesus was telling His disciples that they were to preach the gospel to everyone. Where they were received with joy, they should stay and teach. But where their message was rejected, they had no further responsibility. They were free to walk away with a clear conscience, knowing they had done all they could do. Shaking the dust off their feet was, in effect, saying that those who rejected God’s truth would not be allowed to hinder the furtherance of the gospel. Even the dust of those cities that rejected the Lord was an abomination and would not be allowed to cling to the feet of God’s messengers.
 
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we try to change topic and it is still the same thing where your views are not in line with the bible teachings

We agree on much, just not on end times.

Christ, the son of God, came to earth, died, was buried, and was raised on the 3rd day. He initiated the new covenant, saved us from our sins, gave us eternal life, and reconciled us to God. He ascended to the Father and has all authority in heaven and on earth. May he be praised forever and ever, Amen!
 
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DECEIVERS


Matthew: "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you, For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many" (24:4,5).

Mark: "And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you; For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many" (13:5,6).

Luke: "And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived; for many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and the time draweth near; go ye not therefore after them" (21:8).

Did such deceivers or false Christs arise and deceive many in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem? Yes.

According to Josephus, the noted Jewish historian, twelve years after our Saviour's death, a certain impostor named Theudas persuaded a great multitude to follow him to the river Jordan which he claimed would divide for their passage. At the time of Felix (who is mentioned in the book of Acts), the country of the Jews was filled with impostors who Felix had put to death EVERY DAY—a statement which indicates that there were "many" of such in those days.

An Egyptian who "pretended to be a prophet" gathered 30,000 men, claiming that he would show "how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down."

Another deceiver was Simon, a sorcerer, who led people to believe he was the great power of God (See Acts 8). According to Irenaeus, Simon claimed to be the Son of God and creator of angels. Jerome says that he claimed to be the Word of God, the Almighty. Justin relates that he went to Rome and was acclaimed as a god by his magical powers.

Origen mentions a certain wonder-worker, Dositheus, who claimed he was the Christ foretold by Moses. Another deceiver in those days was Barchochebas who, according to Jerome, claimed to vomit flames. Bar-jesus is mentioned in Acts 13:6 as a sorcerer and false prophet. These are examples of the deceivers of whom history says there were "a great number," and of whom Jesus had prophesied that there would be "many."

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

Matthew: "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" (24:6,7).

Mark: "And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (13:7, 8).

Luke: "But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom (21:9,10).

We are told that when Jesus gave this prophecy, the Roman Empire was experiencing a general peace within its borders. Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be hearing of wars, rumors of wars, and commotions. And did they? Yes. Within a short time the Empire was filled with strife, insurrection, and wars.

Before the fall of Jerusalem, four Emperors came to violent deaths within the space of 18 months. According to the historian Suetonius (who lived during the latter part of the first century and the beginning of the second), Nero "drove a dagger into his throat.'' Galba was run down by horsemen. A soldier cut off his head and "thrusting his thumb into the mouth," carried the horrid trophy about. Otho "stabbed himself" in the breast. Vitellius was killed by slow torture and then "dragged by a hook into the Tiber." We can understand that such fate falling on the Emperors would naturally spread distress and insecurity through the Empire.

In the Annals of Tacitus, a Roman who wrote a history which covers the period prior to 70 A. D., we find such expressions as these: "Disturbances in Germany," "commotions in Africa," "commotions in Thrace," "insurrections in Gaul," "intrigues among the Parthians," "the war in Britain," "war in Armenia."

Among the Jews, the times became turbulent. In Seleucia, 50,000 Jews were killed. There was an uprising against them in Alexandria. In a battle between the Jews and Syrians in Caesarea, 20,000 were killed. During these times, Caligula ordered his statue placed in the temple at Jerusalem. The Jews refused to do this and lived in constant fear that the Emperor's armies would be sent into Palestine. This fear became so real that some of them did not even bother to till their fields.

But though there would be wars, rumours of wars, and commotions, Jesus told his disciples: "See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet." The word "end" that is used here is not the same Greek word as in the expression "end of the world." As Barnes says, the end here referred to is "the end of the Jewish economy; the destruction of Jerusalem."

Wars, rumors of wars, and commotions were of a general nature. These things were not signs of the end; to the contrary, they were given to show that the end was NOT yet. None of these things would be the sign which would cause the disciples to flee into the mountains.

FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

Matthew. "And there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places, all these are the beginning of sorrows (24:7,8).

Mark: "And there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginning of sorrows" (13:8).

Luke: "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilences, and fearful sights" (21:11).

The Bible records that there was famine "throughout all the world...in the days of Claudius Caesar (Acts 11:28). Judea was especially hard hit by famine. "The disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea" (verse 29). Paul's instructions concerning this "collection [of fruit] for the saints" is recorded in First Corinthians 16:1-5; Rom. 15:25-28.

Historians such as Suetonius and others mention famine during those years. Tacitus speaks of a "failure in the crops, and a famine consequent thereupon." Eusebius also mentions famines during this time in Rome, Judea, and Greece. Yes, there were famines in those years before the fall of Jerusalem.

Along with famines, Jesus mentioned pestilence; that is, plagues, the spread of disease, epidemics. Famine and pestilence, of course, go hand in hand. When people do not have proper food or insufficient food, pestilence results. Suetonius wrote of "pestilence" at Rome in the days of Nero which was so severe that "within the space of one autumn there died no less than 30,000 persons." Josephus records that pestilences raged in Babylonia in A. D. 40. Tacitus tells of pestilences in Italy in A. D. 65. Yes, there were pestilences in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem.

During this period, Jesus said there would also be earthquakes in many places. Tacitus mentions earthquakes at Rome. He wrote that "Frequent earthquakes occurred, by which many houses were thrown down" and that "twelve populous cities of Asia fell in ruins from an earthquake."

Seneca, writing in the year 58 A. D., said: "How often have cities of Asia and Achaea fallen with one fatal shock! how many cities have been swallowed up in Syria! how many in Macedonia! how often has Cyprus been wasted by this calamity ! how often has Paphos become a ruin! News has often been brought us of the demolition of whole cities at once." He mentions the earthquake at Campania during the reign of Nero. In 60 A.D., Hierapous, Colosse, and Laodicea were overthrown—Laodicea being so self-sufficient that it recovered without the Imperial aid furnished other cities. In 63 A.D,, the city of Pompeii was greatly damaged by earthquake. There were earthquakes in Crete, Apamea, Smyrna, Miletus, Chios, Samos, and Judea. Earthquakes in divers places.

PERSECUTION AGAINST THE DISCIPLES

Matthew: "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.., And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold" (24:9-12).

Mark: "They shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten; and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony.., whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost... And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake" (13:9-13).

Luke: "They shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony...I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist...and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake" (21:12-17).

The book of Acts gives a complete account of how the disciples were persecuted in the very ways Jesus had predicted. Let us take, for example, Acts 4: "And they laid hands on them [Peter and John], and put them in prison" (verse 3). They were brought before "rulers" (verses 5-7). And it turned into an opportunity to testify. Peter explained that "there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (verse 12). They were given a mouth of wisdom which their adversaries could not gainsay, for the men of the council "marveled" (verse 13). They were then commanded "not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus" (verse 18). As Jesus had said, they were hated for his name's sake.

The same things are seen in Acts 5. Certain authorities "laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison" (verse 18). Later they were brought "before the council" (verse 27) and told to answer for continuing to teach in the name of Jesus (verse 28). Again they had opportunity to testify (verses 29-32). They were "beaten" (verse 40). As they departed from the "council", they rejoiced "that they were counted worthy to suffer for his name"(verse 41).

Or take Acts 6. There arose certain ones of the "synagogue" that disputed with Steven. "And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke" (verses 9,10). Persecution resulted and he was brought into the "council " and questioned (verse 12). Again there was the opportunity to testify, the words of that testimony being given in Acts 7. Stephen was killed for his stand (verses 54-60). Jesus had said that some of them would be killed.

Notice Acts 8. "There was a great persecution against the church." Christians were put in "prison", but the result was that the word was preached (verses 1-4).

In Acts 16, Paul and Silas were beaten and cast into "prison." But it turned into an opportunity to testify and the Philippian jailor and his family were converted as a result (verses 22-34). In Acts 21, persecution resulted in Paul being beaten, brought before rulers, before whom he testified (Acts 22). In Acts 22:19 we read that Christians were "imprisoned and beat in every Synagogue."

In Acts 24, Paul was brought before Felix, the governor, and testified. He was given a mouth of wisdom which his adversaries could not gainsay—though they obtained an orator to speak against him. Paul's words even made Felix to "tremble." In Acts 25 and 26, Paul was brought before king Agrippa, the chief captains, and the principal men of the city. He was given a mouth of wisdom, for Agrippa said to Paul, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" (verse 28).

Jesus said the disciples would be afflicted, beaten, imprisoned; they would be hated for his name's sake and some would be killed; they would be brought before councils, rulers, and kings, for a testimony; they would be given a mouth of wisdom which their adversaries could not gainsay. Surely these things came to pass in those years—unmistakably fulfilled in every detail.

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many ...but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Mt. 24:11,13). Peter, who was present when Jesus gave this prophecy (Mk. 13:3), later wrote about "false prophets" that had risen and of "many" that followed their pernicious ways (2 Peter 2). John, who also heard Jesus give this prophecy, recorded the fulfillment: "Many false prophets are gone out into the world" (l John 4:1). "Many deceivers are entered into the world" (2 John 7).

Paul also spoke of "false apostles, deceitful workers" (2 Cor. 11:13). He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus who taught false doctrines and overthrew the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:17, 18). By the time of his epistle to Titus, there were "many...deceivers ...who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not" (Titus 1:10, 11).

The waters of truth were muddied by betrayals, false prophets, iniquity, and the love of many waxing cold. "But he that shall endure [such things] until the end, the same shall be saved" (Mt. 24:13)—both now and hereafter. We understand "end" here in a general sense, for unlike the use of this word in verses 6 and 14, this reference does not have the definite article in the Greek text.

GOSPEL TO BE PREACHED TO THE NATIONS

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then [not until then] shall the end come" (Mt. 24:14). Unless we take this verse clear out of its setting, "the end" in view here is the end or destruction which was to come upon Jerusalem and the temple. This was the question that Jesus was answering in the verses before, and the verses that follow are still speaking about Jerusalem and Judea. Jerusalem would be destroyed, but "first" the gospel would be preached unto all nations (Mk. 13:10).

It was a tremendous prophecy. Picture the scene. Here on the mount of Olives, Jesus was speaking these words to seemingly insignificant men. Who would have supposed that the names of these humble men would become known around the world and that even in our day—almost 2,000 years later—the seeds of truth that they planted would still be producing fruit? Who would have supposed that this unpopular gospel that Christ committed to these men would ever spread beyond that immediate area? Such a vast preaching program unto all nations seemed almost impossible of fulfillment. But it was fulfilled, and in a very real sense the gospel did go to all nations before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D..

On the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit, there were present in Jerusalem "devout men, out of every nation under heaven" (Acts 2:5). They heard the gospel preached by Peter and 3,000 were converted that day. Many of these, no doubt, returned to their various countries and preached the gospel.

Later when persecution came against the church, the believers at Jerusalem were scattered and "went every where preaching the word", throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria (Acts 8:1,4). Philip took the message to the city of Samaria with great results (verses 5-8). Later he was directed to a high ranking government official from Ethiopia who was gloriously converted (verses 26-40). It is believed that this man took the message to the continent of Africa and many were converted because of his influential testimony.

Peter took the message to the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius, an event that was a turning point in the missionary activities of the church (Acts 10, 11). The book of Acts gives a sketch of the mighty missionary work that advanced rapidly.

The message spread to Rome. By the time of Nero, the Christians had grown so numerous that they aroused the jealousy of the government. The story of the great fire in Rome in 64 A. D. —for which the Christians were falsely blamed—is well known. In writing to the Christians at Rome, Paul opens his epistle by saying, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world" (Rom. 1:8), and his closing words talk about the gospel as having been "made known to all nations for the obedience of faith" (16:26).

Concerning even far away England, Newton says: "There is absolute certainty that Christianity was planted in this country in the days of the apostles, before the destruction of Jerusalem." Eusebius and also Theodoret inform us that the apostles preached the gospel in all the world and some of them "passed beyond the ocean to the Britannic isles."

By the time Paul wrote his letter to the Colossians, he could say: 'The gospel...is come unto you, as it is in all the world" (Col. 1:6). Likewise, in verse 23, he mentions '"the gospel which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven."

By 70 A. D., the gospel had gone forth to the world for a witness. No longer was God's message to man confined to one nation or race.


Source: "Great Prophecies of the Bible" by Ralph Woodrow
The olivet discourse has not been fulfilled, the great trib in Matthew 24:21 is a future event, the second coming and resurrection seen in Matthew 24:29-31 are future events.

If you would like a specific answer to something, give me a small paragraph, be more than happy to answer you :)

Your massive cut and paste is a bit much :)
 
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The olivet discourse has not been fulfilled, the great trib in Matthew 24:21 is a future event, the second coming and resurrection seen in Matthew 24:29-31 are future events.

If you would like a specific answer to something, give me a small paragraph, be more than happy to answer you :)

Your massive cut and paste is a bit much :)
Feel free to choose any item from within it to respond to.
 
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We agree on much, just not on end times.

Christ, the son of God, came to earth, died, was buried, and was raised on the 3rd day. He initiated the new covenant, saved us from our sins, gave us eternal life, and reconciled us to God. He ascended to the Father and has all authority in heaven and on earth. May he be praised forever and ever, Amen!
He will come again in fire judgment, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5, Micah 3:2 in the resurrection final judgment of all John 5:28-29, Matthew 25:31-46, as this earth is dissolved by his fire, the the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Revelation 21:1-5
 
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Feel free to choose any item from within it to respond to.
Lets start where we left off :)

Matthew 24:29-30 "immediately after the tribulation of those days" proves your teaching of 70AD fulfillment of the "Great Tribulation" false jgr, "They shall see the Son of man" in the second advent, immediately after the future great tribulation.

I recall you used "Symbolic Allegory" to remove this literal reading, "I Strongly Disagree"

You had literal armies in destruction, a literal temple of stones, literal people fleeing a literal city on earth in Jerusalem?

Then "Symbolic Allegory" of Matthew 24:29

A Big Bend And Twist, to make your eschatology work :)
 
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Lets start where we left off :)

Matthew 24:29-30 "immediately after the tribulation of those days" proves your teaching of 70AD fulfillment of the "Great Tribulation" false jgr, "They shall see the Son of man" in the second advent, immediately after the future great tribulation.

I recall you used "Symbolic Allegory" to remove this literal reading, "I Strongly Disagree"

You had literal armies in destruction, a literal temple of stones, literal people fleeing a literal city on earth in Jerusalem?

Then "Symbolic Allegory" of Matthew 24:29

A Big Bend And Twist, to make your eschatology work :)
If Acts 2:16-21 is symbolic (and it is), why cannot Matthew 24:29 also be symbolic?

I confess to ambivalence about verse 30. There are arguments for both historical and future fulfillment.

Note that the evidence by Bro. Woodrow that I provided does not go as far as verse 29. I'd like to see some of your commentary on that evidence itself.
 
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If Acts 2:16-21 is symbolic (and it is), why cannot Matthew 24:29 also be symbolic?

I confess to ambivalence about verse 30. There are arguments for both historical and future fulfillment.

Note that the evidence by Bro. Woodrow that I provided does not go as far as verse 29. I'd like to see some of your commentary on that evidence itself.
jgr the scripture interprets itself. A believer does not need a comentary, God's word is sufficient. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" is referring to the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21

Matthew 24:21 & Matthew 24:29-30 are tied together by the time stamp, "Immediately After" this is a literal reading.

Your teaching in error removes this time stamp "immediately after" through symbolic allegory, I strongly disagree :)

7-10 days ago we went over the same verses, and arrived at the same conclusion

jgr we know the second advent is future, that will take place "immediately after" a future tribulation, "Simple" :)

You teach the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 70AD, With yet a future second advent in Matthew 24:30 "they shall see the Son of Man coming"

I strongly disagree, as clearly explained above :)

No need to run around the bush again and again, we will disagree :)
 
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jgr the scripture interprets itself. A believer does not need a comentary, God's word is sufficient. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" is referring to the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21

Matthew 24:21 & Matthew 24:29-30 are tied together by the time stamp, "Immediately After" this is a literal reading.

Your teaching in error removes this time stamp "immediately after" through symbolic allegory, I strongly disagree :)

7-10 days ago we went over the same verses, and arrived at the same conclusion

jgr we know the second advent is future, that will take place "immediately after" a future tribulation, "Simple" :)

You teach the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 70AD, With yet a future second advent in Matthew 24:30 "they shall see the Son of Man coming"

I strongly disagree, as clearly explained above :)

No need to run around the bush again and again, we will disagree :)
We can agree to disagree.

But you still haven't told us why Acts can be symbolic, but Matthew cannot.

Nor do we know who "you" and "ye" are through all the preceding verses.
 
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We can agree to disagree.

But you still haven't told us why Acts can be symbolic, but Matthew cannot.

Nor do we know who "you" and "ye" are through all the preceding verses.
Acts 2 is not allegorical it is prophetic , it speaks that what did happen when Jesus was crucified will happen again when Jesus returns , the sky darken , the earth shook etc. It is your perception that needs correction.
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9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.


Like a Darwinist mindset , people who refuse to believe there is a Creator God prefer to believe that all life came from a single cell amoeba which they call it simple because it is only one cell , but science has proven that the single cell amoeba is very very complex and not possible to occur by random chance. Darwinist/evolutionist prefer to believe God does not exist - it is the mindset that a person has that prevents them from understanding things fully.

As long as you seek just men who write commentaries not willing to believe in God's prophetic Word your understanding will suffer.
Since you believe that the GREAT TRIBULATION that Jesus spoke about has already happened , you will not properly understand various scriptural teaching , when you seek God to show you and not just men you will then have your eyes opened ,

Paul was blinded by Jesus when Paul set out to kill Christians , the men with Paul saw the bright light but were not affected by it , but Paul was blinded - the men who were with Paul thought Paul to be delirious but Gods Word tells us that it was Jesus who blinded Paul and also gave Paul back his sight by a Christian - surely you do not think the story of Paul is allegorical

If you spend as much time and effort trying to see scripture from Gods point of view as you do men's commentaries and go beyond the merely academic view it will greatly enhance your understanding of scripture
 
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If you spend as much time and effort trying to see scripture from Gods point of view as you do men's commentaries and go beyond the merely academic view it will greatly enhance your understanding of scripture

Those promoting the doctrine found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, should take the advice given above.

They would be better off attempting to respond with scripture, instead of LOLs, when their doctrine is shown to be in error.



Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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Those promoting the doctrine found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, should take the advice given above.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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Same as those promoting doctrine found in the Daniel 9 notes of the Geneva Bible.
 
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Those promoting the doctrine found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, should take the advice given above.

They would be better off attempting to respond with scripture, instead of LOLs, when their doctrine is shown to be in error.



Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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It HAS been Prove REPEATEDLY how wrong you are in most of your postings , nearly every time you post it is in error , just as you speak of scripture that was referring to the fowl -birds eating the flesh of human Kings you try to say it is birds marrying and giving in marriage eat drink and be merry :)
 
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