Was it the translators?

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Hebrews 6:20
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Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Ezra 7:1-4
...Zadok, The son of Ahitub, son of Amaryah, son of Azaryah, son of Mirayoth,
son of Zerachyah, son of Uzzi, son of Bukki, son of Avishua, son of Phineas




(CLV) Num 25:11
Phinehas, son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, reversed My fury from on the sons of Israel in his zeal- for My jealousy in their midst so I did not finish the sons of Israel in My jealousy.

(CLV) Num 25:12
Therefore say: Behold Me giving to him My covenant of peace;

(CLV) Num 25:13
it will be his and his seed's after him, the covenant of an eonian priesthood, in as much as he was zealous for his Elohim and made a propitiatory shelter over the sons of Israel.

So who passed the Zadok Priesthood to Yahshua?
John the baptizer
 
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Most of my Catholic Friends who are Jews prefer "Jewish Catholic" or "Catholic Jew" or "Messianic Catholic Jew." So I decided, I'm going to go with what I'm comfortable with, rather than what is official. I think that with Messianic Jewish Catholic, no one will assume I'm practicing Rabbinical Judaism.

That would not work well for us LOL..."Jewish Orthodox", "Orthodox Jew" or "Messianic Orthodox Jew" :)
 
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Shalom and good afternoon Visionary, all of my study and research indicates that it was the Early Church Fathers (whose time of church leadership began in 100 A.D. with Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp who began departing from the Apostolic teaching of John) who said that Yahweh's Feasts and weekly Sabbaths belong to the Jews only and not to the Christians. The Early Church Fathers were anti-Semitic Jew haters and that's why they decided the Seven Biblical Feasts of Yahweh were "Jewish" feasts. By the time of the "translators", this man-made church tradition had institutionalized the apostasy of the Early Church Fathers into what we know as traditional Christianity or Christendom. The translators were biased against anything Jewish or anything remotely believed to be Jewish according to the church tradition that had been established centuries before by the Early Church Fathers and institutionalized by Roman Constantine I under the name of the Roman Catholic Church. The translators simply translated the Bible according to their own preconceived bias which was based on the traditional anti-Semitic church teaching at the time.

Baruch HaShem Adonai

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Shalom David,
John, Polycarp and Ignatius all kept Pesakh. In fact, Polycarp went to Rome and argued with them regarding this. Polycrates of Ephesus (in 193 AD) also argued with Pope Victor of Rome saying:

"We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming... All these observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven."
 
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That would not work well for us LOL..."Jewish Orthodox", "Orthodox Jew" or "Messianic Orthodox Jew" :)
That's not true. I met a Messianic Orthodox Jew at Chabad where I used to go--we lived in the same neighborhood and also attended the same Messianic synagogue together. He and his wife had a humongous family, and made real sacrifices to be Orthodox. He had been Pentecostal before becoming MJ.
 
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Shalom David,
John, Polycarp and Ignatius all kept Pesakh. In fact, Polycarp went to Rome and argued with them regarding this. Polycrates of Ephesus (in 193 AD) also argued with Pope Victor of Rome saying:

"We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming... All these observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven."
But.....it was not an argument over keeping the Jewish Passover, but when to take the eucharist.....or break the fast in doing so
 
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That's not true. I met a Messianic Orthodox Jew at Chabad where I used to go--we lived in the same neighborhood and also attended the same Messianic synagogue together. He and his wife had a humongous family, and made real sacrifices to be Orthodox. He had been Pentecostal before becoming MJ.

I guess you didn't get it? I mean Eastern Orthodox
 
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But.....it was not an argument over keeping the Jewish Passover, but when to take the eucharist.....or break the fast in doing so

It was mostly regarding when to end the fast. However, in the end, it was something different in the East than what was done in Rome.
 
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"Jewish Orthodox", "Orthodox Jew" or "Messianic Orthodox Jew" :) would not work very well LOL...maybe "Jewish Eastern Orthodox"?
Yeah, Jewish Eastern Orthodox works okay. The Eastern Orthodox tend to be much more anti-Jewish than most Christians -- they are still stuck back in the middle ages in this regard. I don't know if they would allow MJ within their ranks. Perhaps if there is a lurking EO in this forum, they could comment.
 
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Yeah, Jewish Eastern Orthodox works okay. The Eastern Orthodox tend to be much more anti-Jewish than most Christians -- they are still stuck back in the middle ages in this regard. I don't know if they would allow MJ within their ranks. Perhaps if there is a lurking EO in this forum, they could comment.

Yeah, I get "Judaizer" alot
 
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That's not true. I met a Messianic Orthodox Jew at Chabad where I used to go--we lived in the same neighborhood and also attended the same Messianic synagogue together. He and his wife had a humongous family, and made real sacrifices to be Orthodox. He had been Pentecostal before becoming MJ.
So was he actually a Jew, or was he a Gentile?
 
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That's not true. I met a Messianic Orthodox Jew at Chabad where I used to go--we lived in the same neighborhood and also attended the same Messianic synagogue together. He and his wife had a humongous family, and made real sacrifices to be Orthodox. He had been Pentecostal before becoming MJ.
So was he actually a Jew, or was he a Gentile?
Peter was both a Messianic Orthodox Hebrew and a Pentecostal Hebrew.​
 
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Let's sort this out, there seem to be a couple discussions merging and confusing each other (or maybe I am the confused one....)
So was he actually a Jew, or was he a Gentile?
In this post you are asking about the person that @Open Heart knew, yes? The person that attended Chabad with her?

Peter was both a Messianic Orthodox Hebrew and a Pentecostal Hebrew.​
This quote is confusing the discussion as it is referring to Peter, the Apostle, I believe. Calling him a "Messianic Hebrew" would be reasonable, but calling him a Pentecostal Hebrew would be incorrect. You could call Peter a pentecostal Hebrew (small P) and be reasonably correct, but confusing to a casual reader. There were no "Pentecostals" at that time (large "P" as in the Protestant denomination or as in the person @Open Heart knew). If this is not referring to Peter the Apostle but rather the person Open Heart is talking about please accept my apologies.

In plain English, he wasn't Jewish?
This quote is asking about the person @AbbaLove is referring to, which I believe is the Apostle Peter, who is not the same person as Open Heart knew from Chabad. I do not think that @AbbaLove knows the same person as Open Heart so would not know the answer....

So to conclude:
  • The person Open Heart knew from Chabad may or may not have been Jewish, we still do not know.
  • This person may or may not have been Jewish, but attended a Pentecostal Church for a while.
  • I believe Abbalove is talking about Peter the Apostle, not the same person as Open Heart knew.
  • Peter the Apostle was almost certainly Jewish and not a "Pentecostal".
 
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That's not true. I met a Messianic Orthodox Jew at Chabad where I used to go--we lived in the same neighborhood and also attended the same Messianic synagogue together. He and his wife had a humongous family, and made real sacrifices to be Orthodox. He had been Pentecostal before becoming MJ.
Out of curiosity, did he call himself a "Messianic Jew" "Messianic Orthodox Jew" or simply an "Orthodox Jew" that happened to believe that Yeshua was the Messiach? It is my experience that the Jewish people that keep Orthodox custom tend to shy from associating with the "Messianic" term and rather keep their Orthodox identity while believing at the same time.
 
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In this post you are asking about the person that @Open Heart knew, yes? The person that attended Chabad with her?
Correct.



This quote is asking about the person @AbbaLove is referring to, which I believe is the Apostle Peter, who is not the same person as Open Heart knew from Chabad. I do not think that @AbbaLove knows the same person as Open Heart so would not know the answer....
Also correct. I assumed since AbbaLove responded, and with a name, he was talking about the same person as OH. Confusing for sure!
 
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