Matthew 25 Jesus Returns In Final Judgment, Eternal Kingdom

[claninja]

Will you answer my question

Do you believe in a future resurrection, where the believer will receive a "Glorified Immortal Body"

Yes.

I’m assuming you don’t believe anyone is in heaven yet. Is that correct?

 

[claninja]

You are welcome.

pro3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;

2 Timothy
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work


Even though in human culture and society , people use slang terms and use hyperbole , that is people ; -Not God , understand that the Holy Spirit is the One who authored the words of the Holy Bible and it was men who were the instrument of God to put those words on paper so that all generations could study the Word of God

I hope that you will seek out a few BIBLE Believing churches and ask the pastors to help you come to understand better that Jesus has still yet to return ,when it happens everyone on earth will see it as it happens

Rev1
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev2213 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

We will just have to agree to disagree as our convo is just going in circles.

 

[Truth7t7]

As it stands now, you deny a future "Bodily" Resurrection, correct me if I'm wrong?

Will you answer my question directly.

Do you believe in a future "Bodily" resurrection, where the believer will receive a "Glorified Immortal Body" like Jesus Christ Has, of flesh and bone?

1 Corinthians 15:52-54, Philippians 3:2, Luke 24:39

Yes.

I’m assuming you don’t believe anyone is in heaven yet. Is that correct?

 

[claninja]

As it stands now, you deny a future "Bodily" Resurrection, correct me if I'm wrong?

Will you answer my question directly.

Do you believe in a future "Bodily" resurrection, where the believer will receive a "Glorified Immortal Body" like Jesus Christ Has, of flesh and bone?

1 Corinthians 15:52-54, Philippians 3:2, Luke 24:39

I believe in a future bodily ressurection. I replied yes to your previous question. Did you not read my reply?

Do you believe anyone is in heaven now?

 

[Riberra]

Rev 11:18　 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.　

What do you think the REWARD unto thy servants the Prophets, and to the Saints is about?

Do you think that the SAINTS are every believers ?.
Hint:what have happened to the Prophets also have happened to the Saints.

Do you remember the NT passage saying that the Lord will come [on Earth] with ten thousands of His SAINTS ?

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Note that the reference to "ten thousands" does not mean that only ten thousands SAINTS will be choosed.

 

[seventysevens]

I believe in a future bodily ressurection.

That is really surprising , When Jesus returns is the time when Jesus gives us our glorified body , so why don't you have your glorified body right now since you say that Jesus has already returned ?

 

[Truth7t7]

You deny a future resurrection as seen quoted below.

You teach and believe as previously stated days ago. Your ressurection of the believer is upon their personal, individual death.

You deny a future second advent and future "Tangible Bodily" ressurection as seen below. The resurrection as seen below does not take place at a persons death, the last trump is not blown at a persons individual death, the glorified eternal body isnt receivedat a persons individual, personal death.

You remain silent on "Directly Answering" the questions seen below.

1.) "You Believe The Resurrection Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

2.) You Believe The Judgment Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

1 Corinthians 15:52-54, Philippians 3:2, Luke 24:39

I believe in a future bodily ressurection. I replied yes to your previous question. Did you not read my reply?

Do you believe anyone is in heaven now?

 

[claninja]

The resurrection as seen below does not take place at a persons death, the last trump is not blown at a persons death.

So no one is in heaven with the Lord currently ?

 

[claninja]

so why don't you have your glorified body right now since you say that Jesus has already returned ?

Because I’m not physically dead? Is there no one in heaven yet? Are the OT saints still “sleeping”?

 

[seventysevens]

Because I’m not physically dead? Is there no one in heaven yet? Are the OT saints still “sleeping”?

lol , but you insist that Lord Jesus has returned already , When Jesus returns is when the glorified bodies are given , and not all shall sleep , some will receive their glorified body without seeing death . When Jesus returns those who are in heaven will have a their glorified body , so by your reasoning you and all those heaven should have their glorified body reigning with Christ on earth ..

 

[Truth7t7]

"Please Answer the two questions below directly"

You remain silent on "Directly Answering" the questions seen below.

1.) "Do you Believe The Resurrection Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

2.) Do you Believe The Judgment Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

So no one is in heaven with the Lord currently ?

 

[claninja]

You remain silent on "Directly Answering" the questions seen

So do you.

 

[claninja]

lol , but you insist that Lord Jesus has returned already , When Jesus returns is when the glorified bodies are given , and not all shall sleep , some will receive their glorified body without seeing death . When Jesus returns those who are in heaven will have a their glorified body , so by your reasoning you and all those heaven should have their glorified body reigning with Christ on earth ..

So those before Christ’s coming will experience 2 ressurections? Once when they physically die and live again to go to heaven and another when Christ comes again to go from one spiritual body to another spiritual body?

 

[Truth7t7]

As it stands you teach the second advent occurred in 70AD, and you teach the resurrection and judgment take place at a believers "Individual Personal Death"

Correct me if I'm wrong?

"Please Answer the two questions below directly"

You remain silent on "Directly Answering" the questions seen below.

1.) "Do you Believe The Resurrection Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

2.) Do you Believe The Judgment Takes Place At A Persons Individual Personal Death"?

So do you.

 

[seventysevens]

So those before Christ’s coming will experience 2 ressurections? Once when they physically die and live again to go to heaven and another when Christ comes again to go from one spiritual body to another spiritual body?

Would you like to rephrase that , as it makes no sense , what do you mean ?

 

[claninja]

Would you like to rephrase that , as it makes no sense , what do you mean ?

Sorry. Let’s look at the verse below to help:

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23

According to paul, people are not made a alive until Christ’s coming. If Christ has not come yet, then no one has been made alive. But you say people are alive and in heaven currently. How do you reconcile this contradiction?

 

[seventysevens]

Sorry. Let’s look at the verse below to help:

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23

According to paul, people are not made a alive until Christ’s coming. If Christ has not come yet, then no one has been made alive. But you say people are alive and in heaven currently. How do you reconcile this contradiction?

When God created humans , humans are made of two parts . one part is the physical body , the other part is the spirit/soul . For the conversation will simply say spirit.
The spirit is the part that is you , the personality that has thoughts, feelings, memories and all thought processes . The spirit is eternal as it never dies ,
When the body dies the spirit will either go to be with the Lord immediately if you have received his gift of salvation , or it will go to hades if you have not accepted Christ as savoir.
When the scriptures says that when people die they are asleep it refers to the appearance of a person sleeping ,laying down motionless etc.

So you do not live again when the spirit goes to heaven because the spirit did not die , only the physical body died
At the rapture or 2nd coming of Christ the physical body that died is resurrected in the glorified body(incorruptible)
A person only dies once then the spirit will go to the destination that is determined at the time of death to either to be with the Lord or hades

People in heaven can be said they are alive in heaven as they are awake and conscience , and aware of their surroundings , other people in heaven and Jesus etc, but they have not yet received the glorified body , but will receive when Jesus returns at His 2nd coming to earth

Jesus is in heaven and is alive

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry. Let’s look at the verse below to help:

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23

According to paul, people are not made a alive until Christ’s coming. If Christ has not come yet, then no one has been made alive. But you say people are alive and in heaven currently. How do you reconcile this contradiction?

You teach "Full Preterism" your belief and teaching is banned in this forum.

You falsely teach the second advent took place in 70 AD, you teach the resurrection and judgment takes place at the believers "individual personal death"

"Standard Full Preterist Teaching"

Please stop your false teaching in this forum.

(Eschatology Forum Statement Of Purpose)

V. Additional Rules.

Full Preterism Not Allowed

 

[claninja]

When God created humans , humans are made of two parts . one part is the physical body , the other part is the spirit/soul .

Scripture disagrees

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:46

 

[seventysevens]

Scripture disagrees

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:46

The natural ...the body was created first then the spirit of life was put into it
Once again you have a complete misunderstanding of what you are reading. Scripture you give focuses On the Resurrected body as the flesh body is corrupt and cannot enter into heaven as it is corrupted by sin,,read the rest of the chapter you post scripture of
Then go back the Genesis and read the story about the creation of the first Adam and see that he was not born of a woman because he was the first created human . God formed Adam from the dust of the earth then breathed life into him so that he became alive and give him the spirit of Life. God took a rib from Adam and did the same to create Eve
What you indicate is not even close to what scripture says , you simply misunderstand what you read