What turns me away #2

[ToBeLoved]

But do they still die?

You are asking if aliens, who are not proven to exist, die?

What does God's Word say?

 

[ToBeLoved]

A person can only believe as much as they believe, belief is belief and is what is required from the God of the bible.

That's all this god asked for, my belief, and that's what I gave him. It should have been enough to set the wheels in motion.

If you don't see your own faith crystallize into something dynamic, then belief is futile. No use for me continuing to believe when belief doesn't actually do anything.

Take responsibility for yourself. You've been corrected over and over by Christians who tell you that building faith takes time and that there are not miraculous signs and wonders that most Christians are out there doing.

Maybe you just want the quick and miraculous Christianity, but even the apostles started out very simply learning from Christ and growing their faith.

 

[Tolworth John]

Who knows, maybe you don't need to know whats good and evil to create a moral system.

If one does not know what is meant by 'good' or by 'evil' how can one have a moral system.

 

[FireDragon76]

Well, is knowledge of Jesus sacrifice essential here?

No, not necessarily.

Your assumption about what is a normative Christian viewpoint is actually a minority viewpoint among Christians in general.

 

[primarymay]

If one does not know what is meant by 'good' or by 'evil' how can one have a moral system.

Who actually knows what good and evil really is. Forget that there's any good and evil and the knowledge in between will present itself for you.

 

[primarymay]

No, not necessarily.

Your assumption about what is a normative Christian viewpoint is actually a minority viewpoint among Christians in general.

Christianity is not made up of the majority in the first place, it's made up of splinter groups. So when you say that my understanding is in a minority group, what do you actually mean?

 

[FireDragon76]

Christianity is not made up of the majority in the first place, it's made up of splinter groups. So when you say that my understanding is in a minority group, what do you actually mean?

Don't be surprised when you talk to a Christian and find yourself holding up a strawman.

 

[Tolworth John]

No, I said you should forget wanting to know what's good.

It's as bad as evil.

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As I said that is nonsence.

A good deed is the same as an evil deed.
One man jumps into a river to save someone who has fallen in, another man pushes someone in to a river so they drown.
To say those are the same thing is nonsence.

 

[FireDragon76]

Well if I'm going to hell anyway, I may as well end up going there for believing my own garbage than yours.

That sounds terribly nihilistic. We should care about discovering truth, don't you think, and not simply inventing fantasies?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I challenge the OP to come up
With scripture to support his
Points

 

[primarymay]

I challenge the OP to come up
With scripture to support his
Points

You'll have to specify which points.

 

[aiki]

That fact that the God of the universe exclusively came to this planet, and gave us earthlings a message. A message that is absolutely true for the whole universe, that we humans carry the gospel that no other beings could be or would be capable of possessing.

That Jesus came to earth and died to reconcile the whole universe, but alas the gospel has not even reached the nearest star, I guess every other humanoid stands condemned.

I mean, this is the thinking of religious people.

No, it's not. It isn't the message of the Bible, either. What Christ did on Calvary is solely for human beings. No where does Scripture state that Christ died for the sins of aliens on other planets.

As astrophysics expands its knowledge base, it is becoming increasingly clear that the conditions for life - any life - to exist on some other planet are vanishingly small. So many conditions must be met, and met in such exceedingly fine measure, for life to exist on any planet that the chances of any life existing anywhere else in the universe is virtually impossible.

 

[primarymay]

No, it's not. It isn't the message of the Bible, either. What Christ did on Calvary is solely for human beings. No where does Scripture state that Christ died for the sins of aliens on other planets.

As astrophysics expands its knowledge base, it is becoming increasingly clear that the conditions for life - any life - to exist on some other planet are vanishingly small. So many conditions must be met, and met in such exceedingly fine measure, for life to exist on any planet that the chances of any life existing anywhere else in the universe is virtually impossible.

But it happened here, so the chances are greater than you think.

The earth doesn't have perfect conditions, where do you get that idea?

 

[aiki]

But it happened here, so the chances are greater than you think.

The earth doesn't have perfect conditions, where do you get that idea?

I believe life exists on this planet because God ordained that it should. There is no chance involved, only divine decree.

I didn't say anything about "perfect conditions."

 

[Archie Dupont]

I personally don't believe that Christianity is the only true religion. I feel there are many beautiful religions that are true. I just love being Christian because of the kindness of Jesus.

What do you mean by true? most religions can't be true at the same time. If you want to believe in a religion you have to pick one. If you just use the bible to get your morality, but don't see it as being true, you are actually a nonbeliever... please explain this to me

 

[ToBeLoved]

You'll have to specify which points.

Ok. Scripture that proves the following (copy and pasted from your OP post)

"That fact that the God of the universe exclusively came to this planet, and gave us earthlings a message. A message that is absolutely true for the whole universe, that we humans carry the gospel that no other beings could be or would be capable of possessing."

Prove in scripture

that Jesus message is true for the whole universe (as you said in your OP)

And

That it says anywhere in the Bible that salvation is open to anyone other than the inhabitents of this earth, ie.. human beings

 

[Almost there]

That fact that the God of the universe exclusively came to this planet, and gave us earthlings a message. A message that is absolutely true for the whole universe, that we humans carry the gospel that no other beings could be or would be capable of possessing.

That Jesus came to earth and died to reconcile the whole universe, but alas the gospel has not even reached the nearest star, I guess every other humanoid stands condemned.

I mean, this is the thinking of religious people.

You do not describe the God of the bible. There is a children's book that addresses this issue. It's called "A Wrinkle in Time".

I think there is a lot more going on regarding God, man, the universe and everything. The bible was written quite a while ago, and is centric to man's relationship with his creator. It makes it clear that it does not include all information. It also says we only see partly right now. I suspect He didn't want to give away the show. It's a bit like explaining the world as one would try to explain it to a baby still in the womb, without giving away the existence of waterfalls, sunsets, and Hemi's.

 

[Almost there]

I personally don't believe that Christianity is the only true religion. I feel there are many beautiful religions that are true. I just love being Christian because of the kindness of Jesus.

Then I don't see how you call yourself Christian, if you truly believe that.

Jesus said that He is the only way. If you don't believe that, well...

Other religions do offer some worthwhile wisdom. So do a lot of motivational speakers. But there is only one test of a "true" religion, and that is any religion that preaches Jesus and Him crucified for the sins of the world.

Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, and said what one must do to be saved. Saved from death.

 

[Almost there]

That fact that the God of the universe exclusively came to this planet, and gave us earthlings a message. A message that is absolutely true for the whole universe, that we humans carry the gospel that no other beings could be or would be capable of possessing.

That Jesus came to earth and died to reconcile the whole universe, but alas the gospel has not even reached the nearest star, I guess every other humanoid stands condemned.

I mean, this is the thinking of religious people.

What do you mean by "condemned"?

 

[Almost there]

Hey hey hey, doesn't Jesus state that those who do not believe in him stand condemned already.

Every humanoid being across the universe must be doomed without the message of Christ.

The message is earth-centric.