Why so much conservative hostility towards undocumented immigrants?

[redleghunter]

Are the 10 Commandments also only for Israel, or are we to interpret God's Word, as revealed in the Bible, as applicable to a worldwide audience?

Oh, Lady Liberty was not deported. She ran away with all the sexual impropriety going on.

 

[redleghunter]

Nazi Germany had laws where it was illegal to help Jewish people escape the Holocaust. But everyone knows that saving the life of a persecuted Jew during the 1930s and '40s would be an act of virtue. In other words, an illegal activity isn't always a bad thing by default, much like how undocumented immigration isn't a bad thing just because it's illegal. Use your judgement.

Of course. The failure is our government to secure our borders. Illegal immigrants once here are to be treated as our neighbors. If you see and know you do. That is our calling in the Holy Spirit as a new creation.

Yet we can still rail against our government for not doing their job. We pay "Caesar" his due and they ain't doing.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

America is circling the drain, and for more reasons than illegal immigration. Our national character is sadly lacking, which effects everything we think and do.

 

[Hammster]

True, God spoke to the Israelites in that verse. But you willfully omitted Malachi 3:6: “I, the Lord, do not change.” God doesn’t change, nor has he changed his opinion on treating undocumented immigrants humanely and equally.

I haven’t forgotten anything. And there’s nothing in Scripture about illegal aliens.

 

[SolomonVII]

America as we know it would never have existed, unless a group of "anarchists," which we now refer to as the Founding Fathers, had not challenged "law and order, and the rule of law in the land!"

When you're successful you are eulogized by posterity, when you're not you're castigated as a criminal!

Post-modernism is all about the power. Truth doesn't exist anyway, so your story is as good as the next.
My story is that the Founding Father set up a nation of laws. That is a conservative thing for them to do.

 

[A_Thinker]

My story is that the Founding Father set up a nation of laws ...

... which then went on to STEAL the continent, ... kill most of the native population, and supply labor for its upbuilding through enslavement.

How LAWFUL ...

 

[Radagast]

Aren't most Americans illegal immigrants?

Well, no.

Most Americans are legal citizens by virtue of being born within the USA.

 

[SBC]

Why so much conservative hostility towards undocumented immigrants?

Violating laws, by entering the US illegally.
Violating more laws, once in the US illegally.
Being a burden instead of an asset.
Their intent.

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God Bless America

 

[Rion]

Yep ... some of us are descendants of those that jumped up and overran other peoples' lands, helping themselves to what they wanted, ... and confining and oppressing the native inhabitants.

And some of us are descendants of said native population and we get real tired of being used as your shield to defend illegal activity. Most of us don't have sticks up our keisters and consider ourselves Americans, and many are against illegal immigration. You want to make restoration for your ancestors crimes? Start by not speaking for us or using us as a shield.

 

[A_Thinker]

And some of us are descendants of said native population and we get real tired of being used as your shield to defend illegal activity. Most of us don't have sticks up our keisters and consider ourselves Americans, and many are against illegal immigration. You want to make restoration for your ancestors crimes? Start by not speaking for us or using us as a shield.

You know .... it could be that YOUR ANCESTORS might ALSO be MY ANCESTORS ... or, at least, very closely related.

And I am well aware that many Native American descendants feel DISPOSSESSED by this country that wants to PRETEND to be for the GOOD of ALL of its inhabitants.

Perhaps YOU ought to not speak as though YOURS is the ONLY VIEW that exists ... especially when YOU KNOW that it isn't ...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why so much conservative hostility towards undocumented immigrants?

Violating laws, by entering the US illegally.
Violating more laws, once in the US illegally.
Being a burden instead of an asset.
Their intent.

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God Bless America

They do have a pretty strong case for claiming most of the southwest.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We came down hard on the native Americans, took their land and made it ours. We are now coming down hard on illegals in order to keep what is now our land. And while it's true that our government looked the other way when farmers sneaked in illegal labor it must be remembered that our government changes every few years with new representatives may enforce immigration laws that have always been there.

We experience this on our highways. Right now in Wisconsin the Interstate speed limit is 70, but the State Patrol is allowing travel at 80 (I drive 240 miles of the interstate several times weekly and can attest to this). If accidents increase or large numbers of drivers exceed 80 mph the State Patrol will begin to enforce the lawful speed limit to control the problem. The same dynamic is now in play with illegals. They have spun out of control so the standing law is being imposed. There is nothing illegal or immoral being done here.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I agree that people should follow the law. That's why we have laws.

However, laws are not immutable. The Congress could change the laws to make legal immigration easier. They could make visas easier to obtain, increase the quotas of immigrants who are permitted to come in from each country, and so on. I'd like to see that happen. It would allow more people to immigrate legally, instead of illegally -- thus upholding the rule of law -- and it would allow us to welcome more foreign nationals who are in need.

It would be better for us to send aid to those 'needy' foreigners than to allow them to immigrate. I give to the poor, but I don't invite them into my home to live. That would be a disaster, for me at least.

 

[SolomonVII]

... which then went on to STEAL the continent, ... kill most of the native population, and supply labor for its upbuilding through enslavement.

How LAWFUL ...

The Founding Fathers did not steal a continent or kill the native population, and slavery was an institution before America was created.
The continental expansion came later, and diseases were the main killers of the indigenous populations in the territories that later generations of Americans expanded into.
It is important to at least have some facts in your narrative.
Well I guess for post-modernists, that really isn't true, isn't it?
Truth does not matter, all that matters is that you sock it to the man.


All this is to do of course, is to sidestep my original question to the OP, as to whether he/she believes in anarchy across the board, or just on the border laws, or whether or not open borders with no laws at all is to his choosing?
Are you committed to anarchy as a means to bring down unlawful, enslaving, despicable America?
Obviously you have no devotion to the country. Is your intent therefore subversive?

 

[Rion]

You know .... it could be that YOUR ANCESTORS might ALSO be MY ANCESTORS ... or, at least, very closely related.

And I am well aware that many Native American descendants feel DISPOSSESSED by this country that wants to PRETEND to be for the GOOD of ALL of its inhabitants.

Perhaps YOU ought to not speak as though YOURS is the ONLY VIEW that exists ... especially when YOU KNOW that it isn't ...

Not likely. My white ancestors didn't get here until the late 19th century at the earliest.

And no, I never said that my view was the only one. I just get really tired of people co-oping my ancestry as a tool for their arguments.

 

[A_Thinker]

A_Thinker said: You know .... it could be that YOUR ANCESTORS might ALSO be MY ANCESTORS ... or, at least, very closely related.

Rion said: Not likely. My white ancestors didn't get here until the late 19th century at the earliest.

My white ancestors got here at about the same time. What do you know ....

 

[A_Thinker]

The Founding Fathers did not steal a continent or kill the native population, and slavery was an institution before America was created.

The continental expansion came later, and diseases were the main killers of the indigenous populations in the territories that later generations of Americans expanded into.

It is important to at least have some facts in your narrative.

Well I guess for post-modernists, that really isn't true, isn't it?

Truth does not matter, all that matters is that you sock it to the man.

I didn't say that the Founding Fathers did all of this, ... but the country they founded did.

How, exactly, is acknowledging the truth "socking it to the man" ???

Obviously you have no devotion to the country. Is your intent therefore subversive?

So ... now it is required to IGNORE INCONVENIENT TRUTHS to be considered as one devoted to one's country ???

How about remembering one's history (the good and bad) ... so as to attempt to influence one's country toward avoiding the sins of its past ?

 

[SolomonVII]

In the context of my posts, you have made the case that America is a despicable country and all its laws are therefore illegitimate.
Fair enough.
You go with that.

Conservatives though do not generally believe that anarchy is the solution.

 

[SBC]

We came down hard on the native Americans, took their land and made it ours.

Took? Partial truth is disingenuous.
Bought - traded - claimed - relocated - established boundaries - some Chiefs (head) agreed - some Chiefs (head) did not agree - are left with their Chiefs (still the head to exact their own laws ) - given enormous amount of financial funding, still to this day.

Eminent Domain - similar circumstances - between the head of household and the government. (except there is no endless financial funding), as with the Indian Nations, that are established excepted out of the US, yet within the land masses of the US.

We are now coming down hard on illegals in order to keep what is now our land.

Suggesting ILLEGAL breaking into a country should NOT be hard, or subject to HARD penalties? Would that also be favored, of ILLEGAL breaking into an individuals HOME?

And while it's true that our government looked the other way when farmers sneaked in illegal labor it must be remembered that our government changes every few years with new representatives may enforce immigration laws that have always been there.

The Constitution has not been changed, to ignore ILLEGAL activity.
Yes we do get opportunity to vote in NEW representatives, and Yes some representatives, remain for decades glued to honorable seats, dishonoring the office.

We experience this on our highways. Right now in Wisconsin the Interstate speed limit is 70, but the State Patrol is allowing travel at 80 (I drive 240 miles of the interstate several times weekly and can attest to this). If accidents increase or large numbers of drivers exceed 80 mph the State Patrol will begin to enforce the lawful speed limit to control the problem. The same dynamic is now in play with illegals. They have spun out of control so the standing law is being imposed. There is nothing illegal or immoral being done here.

Speed limits as you know are prima facie evidence.
Speed limits are routinely changed, by he who holds the purse strings.
The Feds wiggled the $$ offering to the states for highways....which came with the condition of 55 MPH, and the states government agreed.

Agree ILLEGAL aliens are out of control - in large part due to Governments being LAX, and their restriction on law ENFORCEMENT actually being able to ENFORCE the law.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

They do have a pretty strong case for claiming most of the southwest.

As we have to live with decisions made by men who hold office, so too do other nations.
If Mexico wants to claim what their office holders agreed to relinquish - then do so, like men, with armies of men - instead of women and children.

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God Bless,
SBC