Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

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You need to look at the KJV, as the Jerusalem part is not waiting till the new earth time. It is showing that He will create new heavens and a new earth - But - Jerusalem on this earth is coming as new first.

Isaiah 65:18

“But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”

Isaiah 65:20

“There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.”

People can live much longer again, but if sinners then they eventually die.
But infants will not die - So, how can they be born when the new earth has - no marriages?

Isaiah 65:23

“They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.”
/offspring - kids
Sorry No Earthly Millennial Kingdom In Isaiah 65, at the return of Jesus Christ this earth is dissolved by fire in judgment "GONE"!

You Think The Scripture Below Is A Fairy Tale, Try Reading It :)
2 Peter 3:10, Nahum 1:5, Psalms 46:6, Isaiah 24:20, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Micah 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13, Zechariah 14:12

After this earth is "dissolved by fire" the Lord reveals the "New Creation", the present earth has passed away, "Behold I Make All Things New". Revelation 21:1-5 New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem, The Eternal Kingdom, Isaiah 65:17-19:)
 
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Isaiah 65:20

“There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.”

People can live much longer again, but if sinners then they eventually die.
But infants will not die - So, how can they be born when the new earth has - no marriages?

To answer your question... It cannot.

Isaiah 65:20 Hebrew Text Analysis

The first word in the Hebrew text is the word "not", meaning that none of the things that follow will occur in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

This is one of the most mistranslated verses in the Bible.

There is no way this one verse can undo all of the other verses in the Bible about the New Heavens and the New Earth.
Therefore, there must be some misunderstanding in most translations.

The Hebrew text is correct, but most translations are not.

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Isaiah 65 is about how off in the future God will create things. new heavens, new earth - But -as in before those creations will be created on this earth - Jerusalem anew - lifted up in her place.
no more - weeping in her, utter destruction, infants dying,

but still -death, animals harmed, old men/as days of a tree
People will be able to live much longer lives-like back in the days of Adam.

You cannot have it both ways.

Either the curse is removed at the Second Coming of Christ, or it is not.

There cannot be no more weeping and people dying at the same time.

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What do you mean as to "second coming"? Jesus Christ will return after the 7th trumpet sounds, but no vials have yet been poured out. We will only then be in the time of the 6th seal.
6th seal /sun black/moon blood/the stars fall/men mourn

kings of the earth/great men/mighty men and more hide
and say - who shall be able to stand?

"...the day of His coming...who shall stand..."
Malachi 3:2

Revelation 1:7
"...He cometh...the earth shall wail..."
all kindreds of the earth -shall wail

The great tribulation ends in the 6th seal and then the sun goes black. Jesus Christ told how immediately after the tribulation the sun shall be darkened and the stars fall.

Revelation 7:1 starts a new vision and this chapter also will show the time of great tribulation. The people will be seen in the temple in this chapter. Chapter 15 ends showing that men cannot enter into the temple unless the seven plagues of the seven angels already took place.
We do not wait for the 7th seal to be opened to see the trumpets begin. Rev. 8 tells how there was incense. Incense is a time when the people pray outside the temple. Rev. 8 is going back in time and is not the same vision that began at Rev. 7:1.

Nobody not in Christ can stand against the wrath of the Lamb.
All of the vials of God's wrath are poured out on the same day, at His Second Coming.


The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Much confusion is produced trying to make it otherwise.


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Two 'Fundamentals of the faith' -
The earth will continue forever. Eccl 1:4, Psalms 78:69
The wrath of God will be completed after the Great Tribulation, Revelation 15:1

Let us hear no more nonsense about the earth being totally destroyed, or Jesus Returning in wrath.

The earth will be renovated and made like the original garden of Eden. Amos 9:13-15
When Jesus Returns, He will destroy the armies of the Anti-Christ and chain him up, that's all. The Lord's Day of Wrath is the Sixth seal worldwide disaster, the first event of the prophesied end times, then in the last 3 1/2 years the GT occurs in the sequence given, affecting only the enemies of God.
 
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The earth will continue forever. Eccl 1:4, Psalms 78:69

Which earth?

2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 
2Pe 3:11  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 
2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 
2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 


Do you think Peter was wrong?

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Ieternal5 is about how off in the future God will create things. new heavens, new earth - But -as in before those creations will be created on this earth - Jerusalem anew - lifted up in her place.
no more - weeping in her, utter destruction, infants dying,

but still -death, animals harmed, old men/as days of a tree
People will be able to live much longer lives-like back in the days of Adam.

Put this scene ahead of the no sea earth and we find that Zechariah 14 mentions seas, and there are islands still around in Isaiah 11. God will make here on this earth Jerusalem - lifted up from the dust - a beautiful place - where the crying stops, death for the young stops, animals won't eat each other, and people will still want apparel, gold and silver.
Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65, and Zechariah 14, all represent the eternal kingdom in parallel teachings. You have been shown this several times, as you disregard the truth presented.
 
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Your teaching this present earth will be renovated and remain is 100% "False".

This present earth will be removed, and will not rise again. As Gods word clearly teaches in Isaiah 24:20 below.

2 Peter 3:10-13 it will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgment, the believer is to look for the New Heaven and Earth, Just as Barean has shown you in post #114 above, you disregard the very simple truth of scripture "Why"?

Revelation 21:1-5 clearly shows this existing earth has passed away, "Behold I Make All Things New" a new creation.

Isaiah 24:20KJV
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
Two 'Fundamentals of the faith' -
The earth will continue forever. Eccl 1:4, Psalms 78:69
The wrath of God will be completed after the Great Tribulation, Revelation 15:1

Let us hear no more nonsense about the earth being totally destroyed, or Jesus Returning in wrath.

The earth will be renovated and made like the original garden of Eden. Amos 9:13-15
When Jesus Returns, He will destroy the armies of the Anti-Christ and chain him up, that's all. The Lord's Day of Wrath is the Sixth seal worldwide disaster, the first event of the prophesied end times, then in the last 3 1/2 years the GT occurs in the sequence given, affecting only the enemies of God.
 
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vinsighmassost: 72011173 said:
Isaiah 65:25
"...shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the LORD."

Isaiah 11:9


“They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”

Isaiah 11:11


“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.”
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Revelation 21:1

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
"Sea" in Revelation 21:1 represents multitudes of people, not oceans and water as you suggest in error.

Just as Revelation 13:1 clearly teaches, the Beast/Antichrist will rise out of the "Sea", or multitudes of people.

You have been shown this truth "Several" times, will you continue to teach in error, in a desperate attempt to maintain the false teaching of a earthly millennial kingdom, that isn't found in the Holy scripture?
 
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Do you think Peter was wrong?
No.
What 2 Peter 3:7-12 prophesied, is a sequence of events:
First, in verses 7-10, comes the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, by fire from the sun. The Day of Judgement of the nations, [not individuals] when the Lord will destroy the godless peoples who attack Israel. Psalms 83, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17
The word translated 'elements' in verse 10 is; Greek 'stoicheia'. Meaning constructed things, orderly arranged objects, such as buildings, bridges, etc. Not the basic elements of the periodic table.

Next in 2 Peter 3:11-13, he refers to the time when there will be a new heaven and a new earth, that we know from Revelation 21:1-7 happens after the Millennium.
2 Peter 3:10-13 it will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgment, the believer is to look for the New Heaven and Earth, Just as Barean has shown you in post #114 above, you disregard the very simple truth of scripture "Why"?
Because I look at all the prophesies and see that God will remake the present earth back to how it was in Adams time. If God doesn't do that, then Satan will have won.
After Satan and Death are done away with, AFTER the great Millennium of Jesus as King, THEN God will make all things new. Revelation 21:5
Your 'simple truths of scripture' are wrong, just in the timing, because you have believed false teachings.
 
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What 2 Peter 3:7-12 prophesied, is a sequence of events:
First, in verses 7-10, comes the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, by fire from the sun. The Day of Judgement of the nations, [not individuals] when the Lord will destroy the godless peoples who attack Israel. Psalms 83, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17
The word translated 'elements' in verse 10 is; Greek 'stoicheia'. Meaning constructed things, orderly arranged objects, such as buildings, bridges, etc. Not the basic elements of the periodic table.

Next in 2 Peter 3:11-13, he refers to the time when there will be a new heaven and a new earth, that we know from Revelation 21:1-7 happens after the Millennium.

Because I look at all the prophesies and see that God will remake the present earth back to how it was in Adams time. If God doesn't do that, then Satan will have won.
After Satan and Death are done away with, AFTER the great Millennium of Jesus as King, THEN God will make all things new. Revelation 21:5
Your 'simple truths of scripture' are wrong, just in the timing, because you have believed false teachings.
Keras its you who denies the very simple and clear scripture.

At the return of Jesus Christ Revelation 20:11-15 the Great White Throne Judgment takes place, as Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches, these are parallel teachings of the same event.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels in the second coming, the nations are gathered before the throne.

verse 34 The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented to the righteous.

verse 41 the wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

verse 46 we see the "Final Judgment" Wicked Eternal Punishment, Righteous Eternal Life.

Yes the righteous enter the "Eternal Kingdom" in verse 34, as they have obtained "Eternal Life" in verse 46, the book of life has been opened, the final judgment is complete at the second coming of Jesus Christ, "Simple"!

There will be no human mortal life beyond the second coming/advent, the final judgment has taken place, the eternal has started in the Kingdom, for ever and ever. :)

Keras you aren't gonna change this scriptural truth, I will post it again and again!
 
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