Roy Moore compared to Mary and Joseph

Golfing Gator

Active Member
Sep 28, 2017
38
28
59
Midwest of America
✟13,453.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No matter what your political point of view is, I hope we can agree this sort of thing is not goo for Christians and Christianity in general.

From Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler

"Take the Bible: Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance," Zeigler said. "Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

Do, we want people using the bible to justify a 32 year old man trying to have sex with a 14 year old? Is this how we want Christians viewed?
 

jazzflower92

Junior Member
Jul 31, 2013
1,590
639
✟59,085.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
No matter what your political point of view is, I hope we can agree this sort of thing is not goo for Christians and Christianity in general.

From Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler

"Take the Bible: Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance," Zeigler said. "Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

Do, we want people using the bible to justify a 32 year old man trying to have sex with a 14 year old? Is this how we want Christians viewed?

This is really pathetic.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Lik3
Upvote 0

Basil the Great

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Mar 9, 2009
4,766
4,085
✟721,243.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Green
Well..... all I can say is that when I think of the AL GOP Primary voters nominating a man who had twice been removed from the bench, I am reminded of the old saying, "Beware what you wish for".
 
Upvote 0

bekkilyn

Contemplative Christian
Supporter
Apr 27, 2017
7,612
8,475
USA
✟677,608.00
Country
United States
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Celibate
Politics
US-Others
Because our current culture is obviously *exactly* like it was back in those days with no valid reasons whatsoever for anything to have changed since then.

This is a result of what happens when people put political ideology ahead of God. Rather than demanding and expecting ethical behavior and good moral character from our leaders, we will give free passes for all sorts of reprehensible acts provided we can convince ourselves that "the other side" is worse.
 
Upvote 0

jazzflower92

Junior Member
Jul 31, 2013
1,590
639
✟59,085.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Because our current culture is obviously *exactly* like it was back in those days with no valid reasons whatsoever for anything to have changed since then.

This is a result of what happens when people put political ideology ahead of God. Rather than demanding and expecting ethical behavior and good moral character from our leaders, we will give free passes for all sorts of reprehensible acts provided we can convince ourselves that "the other side" is worse.

You are right. And that needs to stop.
 
Upvote 0

LadyKay

Active Member
Nov 6, 2017
55
44
55
Midwest
✟23,067.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
From Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler

"Take the Bible: Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance," Zeigler said. "Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist. Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus. There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

Wow! Did he really say that? That is like, well....wow! :screamcat:
 
  • Agree
Reactions: jazzflower92
Upvote 0

SoldierOfTheKing

Christian Spenglerian
Jan 6, 2006
9,223
3,039
Kenmore, WA
✟276,939.00
Country
United States
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Muslims and Islamophiles routinely use that argument when confronted with Mohammed's marriage to a 9 year old girl. It's a bad argument when they use it, and when used by Jim Zeigler, it's still a bad argument - mainly because it relies on the authority of ancient Christian tradition in a selective manner.
 
Upvote 0

Christie insb

Well-Known Member
Sep 3, 2015
868
513
65
Santa Barbara, California
✟60,196.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Well and - - did this girl's parents approve of her dating a man more than twice her age? The guy who's running for office and his rationalizer both make me want to throw up. He can't even give a fake apology like the Hollywood guys.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

FireDragon76

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Apr 30, 2013
30,473
18,454
Orlando, Florida
✟1,249,087.00
Country
United States
Faith
United Ch. of Christ
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
Politics
US-Democrat
As a traditional/liturgical Christian, I find the comparison between Moore and Joseph to be sacrilegious. Contrary to the perception of some evangelicals, the traditional Christian belief was that Mary and Joseph's relationship was exceptional and involved betrothal, but not the substance of marriage. Certainly not somebody with power and influence pressuring a minor into sexual behaviors.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Stormy

Senior Contributor
Jun 16, 2002
9,441
868
St. Louis, Mo
Visit site
✟51,954.00
Faith
Christian
Politics
US-Others
Well..... all I can say is that when I think of the AL GOP Primary voters nominating a man who had twice been removed from the bench, I am reminded of the old saying, "Beware what you wish for".
I assume you are aware of the reasons Moore was removed twice?
Once for keeping the ten commandments in his office and once for not agreeing with same sex marriage. Jesus did not promise our path would be smooth.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: brinny
Upvote 0

Basil the Great

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Mar 9, 2009
4,766
4,085
✟721,243.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Green
Yes, I am aware. While his intentions were good, we are still a nation of laws and he refused to follow the law. Hence, he was removed. Yes, some laws might well go contrary to God's laws. However, we still live in the U.S. and must follow the laws or pay the price. His price was the loss of his duties as a judge.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Radicchio
Upvote 0

Christie insb

Well-Known Member
Sep 3, 2015
868
513
65
Santa Barbara, California
✟60,196.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
I assume you are aware of the reasons Moore was removed twice?
Once for keeping the ten commandments in his office and once for not agreeing with same sex marriage. Jesus did not promise our path would be smooth.
Yes, but why was he removed from the mall?
 
Upvote 0

jgarden

Senior Veteran
Jan 1, 2004
10,695
3,181
✟106,405.00
Faith
Methodist
Roy Moore compared to Mary and Joseph

For the Alabama State Auditor to compared Judge Roy Moore's relationships with underage girls as analogous to "Mary and Joseph" is a betrayal of his oath of office to uphold the laws of his state - to safeguard children who have not reached the age of consent!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SoldierOfTheKing

Christian Spenglerian
Jan 6, 2006
9,223
3,039
Kenmore, WA
✟276,939.00
Country
United States
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
For the Alabama State Auditor to compared Judge Roy Moore's relationships with underage girls as analogous to "Mary and Joseph" is a betrayal of his oath of office to uphold the laws of his state - to safeguard children who have not reached the age of consent!

Only one claims to have been underage. Remember the age of consent in Alabama is 16.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Christie insb
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

jgarden

Senior Veteran
Jan 1, 2004
10,695
3,181
✟106,405.00
Faith
Methodist
os-ed-letters-roy-moore-cartoon-021615-20150212


Only one claims to have been underage. Remember the age of consent in Alabama is 16.

Matthew 1:18-23 (Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son)
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.
19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.
22 All this took place to what the Lord had said through the prophet:
23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”

Only one - how many underage girls does it take?

The woman who was 14 at the time has stated that Moore took her to his home, without her parents' knowledge, underdressed her and instructed her to engage in sexual acts!

For the "Mary and Joseph" analogy to apply, Roy Moore would have to claim that he was emulating the Holy Spirit!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SoldierOfTheKing

Christian Spenglerian
Jan 6, 2006
9,223
3,039
Kenmore, WA
✟276,939.00
Country
United States
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Only one - how many does it take?

You used plural terms "relationships with underage girls". That implies at least two.

The woman who was 14 at the time has stated that Moore took her to his home, without her parents' knowledge, underdressed her and instructed her to engage to sexual acts!

For the "Mary and Joseph" analogy to apply, Roy Moore would have to claim that he was emulating the Holy Spirit!

I've already stated that I agree it's a bad analogy.
 
Upvote 0

Stormy

Senior Contributor
Jun 16, 2002
9,441
868
St. Louis, Mo
Visit site
✟51,954.00
Faith
Christian
Politics
US-Others
I was
Yes, I am aware. While his intentions were good, we are still a nation of laws and he refused to follow the law. Hence, he was removed. Yes, some laws might well go contrary to God's laws. However, we still live in the U.S. and must follow the laws or pay the price. His price was the loss of his duties as a judge.

Fine... Then you also understand that in the United States a person is to be considered innocent until proven guilty? If accusations alone can destroy a person, then we are all in danger.

Moore is not new to the scene, he has been vetted time and time again. Democrats are in great need to win seats in a republican controlled congress.. perfect timing?
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Sketcher

Born Imperishable
Feb 23, 2004
38,978
9,399
✟377,931.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
I'll need a source linked before I'll believe he said that.

As to the content of the message, it was a different culture entirely, where matches like that were more normal and not against any laws. The way that Moore allegedly pursued them would have been improper in that culture, however. If he's guilty, he is a far worse man than either Zachariah or Joseph.
 
Upvote 0