Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

[jgr]

Your and JGR's denials of plain Bible truths

Example(s)?

 

[Truth7t7]

"keras, BaB its plain to all of us that we Christians are the spiritual house of God during this era.
This truth des not preclude there being a new physical Temple being built. You have to ignore a whole raft of scripture to deny the existence of a Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and during the Millennium. Just Revelation 11:1 is sufficient proof.

Revelation 11 is a parallel teaching of the "Eternal" New Jerusalem seen in Ezekiel 47, there is no earthly millennial temple in scripture, where mortal humans will be present, a fairy tale.

 

[BABerean2]

It is all the clear statements of the prophets about a new Temple, one greater than all the previous ones, Haggai 2:9, that you ignore, which reflect badly on your credibility.

I will rest upon the credibility of Christ's words to the woman at the well.

When she said that Jerusalem is the place to worship, did Jesus agree with you, or did He say something completely different than what you are saying?


Joh 4:19　 The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.　
Joh 4:20　 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship."　
Joh 4:21　 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.　
Joh 4:22　 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.　
Joh 4:23　 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.　
Joh 4:24　 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


The greatest temple in the history of the world spoke the words above in red text.
He is the "chief cornerstone".
He is the ultimate temple.
God's Spirit was to eventually dwell not in temples made of stone, but instead inside of us.
If you want to see the ark of the New Covenant, then look in the mirror.
(1 Corinthians 3:16)

Joh_2:19　 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

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[keras]

Joh 4:21　 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.　

Sure, that 'hour' did come and the 2000 year Church era is it. Not even the Crusaders worshipped on the Temple Mount.
This in no way precludes a future Temple, to be built before Jesus Returns and from which Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years. This is what is plainly prophesied: Ezekiel 37:26, Isaiah 60:7, Isaiah 2:1-3, Micah 4:1-2, Zechariah 14:20-21, Malachi 3:1.
An interesting story is in 2 Maccabees 2:4-8, where Jeremiah hid the Temple items in a cave near Mt Nebo. God will show us where they are and those holy things will again be placed in Gods Temple.
The Ark seen in Revelation 11:19, is the Spiritual one.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sure, that 'hour' did come and the 2000 year Church era is it. Not even the Crusaders worshipped on the Temple Mount.
This in no way precludes a future Temple, to be built before Jesus Returns and from which Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years. This is what is plainly prophesied: Ezekiel 37:26, Isaiah 60:7, Isaiah 2:1-3, Micah 4:1-2, Zechariah 14:20-21, Malachi 3:1.
An interesting story is in 2 Maccabees 2:4-8, where Jeremiah hid the Temple items in a cave near Mt Nebo. God will show us where they are and those holy things will again be placed in Gods Temple.
The Ark seen in Revelation 11:19, is the Spiritual one.

There will be no Millennial kingdom on this earth, a Zionist fairy tale.

The verses you quote, are the "Eternal Kingdom" New Heaven, Earth, Zion/Jerusalem.

Ezekiel 37:26-28 is the Eternal New Jerusalem, verse 28 " My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore" Eternal

Isaiah 60:20-22 The Eternal New Jerusalem, the Lord Provides Eternal Light, All The People Are Righteous "Eternal" sin is gone.

Isaiah 2
in Isaiah 2:19-22 the day of the Lords wrath, Parallel teaching Revelation 6:12-22, the heavens roll up as a scroll, stars fall to earth, every island, mountain removed, men go to the dens, rocks to hide, the end of this world, Isaiah 2:1-3 is the eternal kingdom after the day of the Lord, final judgment.

Micah 4:7 the Lord shall reign in Zion, from henceforth, even forever "Eternal New Jerusalem"!

Zechariah 14 "The day of the Lord"!

verses 1-4 battle of armageddon, the second advent

verses 5-6 eternal light in the eternal kingdom

verse 8 the eternal river of life present

verse 12 the final judgment by fire 2 peter 3:10

Malachi 3:1-3

The last day judgment by fire, no human survives 2 peter 3:10, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Keras how long will you contine selling the " Eternal Kingdom" as a earthly millennial kingdom.

The wool has been removed from your teaching, will you continue to do the same.

Jesus Christ Warned The Believer Against This False Teaching, That Jesus Christ Would Dwell Any Place On This Earth.

Matthew 24:23-27

"Then if any man shall say unto you , lo, here is Christ, or there: "Believe It Not"!

Its through this false teaching that the future antichrist will be accepted as the returned Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

 

[keras]

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

THAT I agree with! The rest, no.
However we all have to wait for the end times events to unfold to really know what the Lord intends to do. It does seem from these scriptures:
Isaiah 29:23-24 ...when My people see what I have done in their midst, then they will praise their Maker and regard the Lord with awe and the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 35:5-6
Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf hear now! You that are blind, look and see!
Isaiah 32:3-4 Then My people will see and hear clearly, those who could not ‘see it’ or ‘hear the prophetic message’, will finally understand and know the truth.

That after the first event; the sudden and shocking Lord's Day of wrath, the veil hiding the truth from His people will be lifted and we will understand His plans and purposes.

 

[Truth7t7]

THAT I agree with! The rest, no.
However we all have to wait for the end times events to unfold to really know what the Lord intends to do. It does seem from these scriptures:
Isaiah 29:23-24 ...when My people see what I have done in their midst, then they will praise their Maker and regard the Lord with awe and the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 35:5-6
Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf hear now! You that are blind, look and see!
Isaiah 32:3-4 Then My people will see and hear clearly, those who could not ‘see it’ or ‘hear the prophetic message’, will finally understand and know the truth.

That after the first event; the sudden and shocking Lord's Day of wrath, the veil hiding the truth from His people will be lifted and we will understand His plans and purposes.

As shown in post #65 above, all your referenced scriptural claims of a earthly 1000 year kingdom, are in fact the "Eternal Kingdom"

There is no place in scripture that teaches Jesus Christ Will Take A Earthly Throne In A Earthly Temple, Where Mortal Humans Are Present.

However The Future Antichrist Will, And Yes This False Teaching Is Paving His Way, To Be Accepted As Jesus Christ Returned.

Matthew 24:23-27 Warns The Believer Against This False Teaching, Jesus Christ Will Not Be Found Any Place On This Earth, "Believe It Not"

 

[BABerean2]

Sure, that 'hour' did come and the 2000 year Church era is it. Not even the Crusaders worshipped on the Temple Mount.
This in no way precludes a future Temple, to be built before Jesus Returns and from which Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years.

Are you saying that we Christians are commanded to build a physical temple, before the Second Coming of Christ?

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Truth7t7]

There will not be a pre-trib rapture and Joel has been fulfilled up to where the time of Pentecost came u

The mystery of God ends with the 7th trumpet, but the new earth does not begin for a very very long time.
How does it say the mystery of God finishes? It shows that the OT prophets have foretold that this time against Israel will end in a certain manner. They in the long past have said that the time against Israel will end early. God will repent of some of the evil that was to come upon His people and thus we find the seven thunders utterings get sealed. God is having mercy. Not mercy on everybody, for He will soon bring upon the wicked the full vials of His wrath.

Time no longer -means time for men to repent - He has been longsuffering- Israel is done being punished and it is time now to judge the dead and reward the saints. This is when the dead in Christ can now rise -and the rapture takes place.

Just before the 7th trumpet, John ate a book - as he will have more to tell us -prophesy. This is why we have chapters 16-22. These chapters are in their proper order.

At the 7th trump "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory" The End Of This World 1 Corinthians 15:52-54

The book of Revelation is not in chronological order as you suggest, it represents parallel teachings of the same events.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[keras]

There is no place in scripture that teaches Jesus Christ Will Take A Earthly Throne In A Earthly Temple, Where Mortal Humans Are Present.

Wrong again! Your confident assertions that there will be no Kingdom on earth are totally in error.
Zechariah 14:9 The Lord shall become King over all the earth.....
Luke 22:30 In My Kingdom, you [Christians] shall sit at My table and be the judges of Israel.
Luke 19:11-27 The Parable of the Talents, shows that Jesus will Return to earth and give out rewards and punishment.

There are many other proofs of a 1000 year Kingdom of Jesus, on earth and when it is over, Jesus hands it all back to the Father. For He is destined to reign until everything is in subjection to Him. 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 Let us hear no more of your wrong ideas and false teachings.

Are you saying that we Christians are commanded to build a physical temple, before the Second Coming of Christ?

Yes.
And I know that I will be there, as the verse of Zechariah 6:15 was given to me at my baptism.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wrong again! Your confident assertions that there will be no Kingdom on earth are totally in error.
Zechariah 14:9 The Lord shall become King over all the earth.....
Luke 22:30 In My Kingdom, you [Christians] shall sit at My table and be the judges of Israel.
Luke 19:11-27 The Parable of the Talents, shows that Jesus will Return to earth and give out rewards and punishment.

There are many other proofs of a 1000 year Kingdom of Jesus, on earth and when it is over, Jesus hands it all back to the Father. For He is destined to reign until everything is in subjection to Him. 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 Let us hear no more of your wrong ideas and false teachings.

Yes.
And I know that I will be there, as the verse of Zechariah 6:15 was given to me at my baptism.

Once again, there will be no earthly millennial kingdom, where Jesus Christ will be present with mortal humans on this earth.

Jesus Christ warned the believer against this false teaching in Matthew 24:23-27

Zechariah 14

Zechariah verses 1-4 shows the final battle of Armageddon and second advent/coming.

verses 6-7 shows the "Eternal Light" in the "Eternal Kingdom"

verse 8 shows the "Eternal River Of Life"

verse 12 shows the last day judgment by the Lords fire, as also seen in the verses below.

2 peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13

All the examples you show to represent your earthly millennial kingdom, are in "Fact" the "Eternal Kingdom"

 

[BABerean2]

Yes.
And I know that I will be there, as the verse of Zechariah 6:15 was given to me at my baptism.

Did they read any of the New Testament at your baptism?


Luk 24:25　 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:　
Luk 24:26　 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?　
Luk 24:27　 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.　

He is the ultimate temple of God.
How do we know this fact.
He said it in His own words.

Joh_2:19　 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh_2:20　 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Joh_2:21　 But he spake of the temple of his body.


God does not dwell in buildings made with human hands.
It is not capable of containing His Glory.


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[keras]

It would be nice if people addressed the scriptures I have presented, that confirm there will be another Temple.
Jesus and His true followers are called 'Spiritual temples of God', this fact does not mean there can't be another actual Temple.
And promoting the falsehood of no Millennium, is way out in the left field.

 

[Truth7t7]

It would be nice if people addressed the scriptures I have presented, that confirm there will be another Temple.
Jesus and His true followers are called 'Spiritual temples of God', this fact does not mean there can't be another actual Temple.
And promoting the falsehood of no Millennium, is way out in the left field.

You need to resoond to post #77 above

You made The claim Zechariah 14 represents a earthly millennial kingdom, I provided a scriptural rebuttal that proves your claim false, post #77 response please.