Christians ARE observing the Sabbath under the New Covenant

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My friend Dana and I spoke about born again Believers not being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath, and she wrote this and granted permission for me to share it.

"That is what the Scriptures say, clearly. I would go further, in regard to the Sabbath, however, and state that we who believe *are* keeping Sabbath, not by our physical rest on the 7th day, but by our *Spiritual rest*....resting in the work *Christ* did on the cross.

Hebrews 4:3-10 For we *who have believed* **do** enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works";
and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest."

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts."

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
**For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.**

And I agree with you, that under this grace we have, we are free to rest on the 7th day, or not. It is a choice. Because the point is, our *faith* keeps the Sabbath. There are many who keep the Sabbath, who do not keep God's Sabbath... That's something to think about.

Also, I wanted to share another Scripture from Hebrews that to me, at least, reads so clear, in regard to the Old Covenant law not being in effect:

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Christ is not of the priesthood of Levi, but from the priesthood of Melchizedek (the eternal priesthood that existed *both ways* in eternity, past (before Levi) and future (in the Kingdom and beyond). The law was given through Moses to Israel because there was a change of the priesthood (from Melchizedek to Levi), but it was always meant to be a *temporary* condition. Now that Christ has come, the law must change again. We cannot hold on to the old law while trusting in the new High Priest. When we try, we deny the power of our Great High Priest and the blessings He bestows, by clinging to a *human* and *fallible* priesthood."
 

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"Christians ARE observing the Sabbath under the New Covenant"

Actually too much focus has been on one aspect and making it into the whole thing, and sadly that focuses on oneself instead of God.

Sure, there is a rest found in him, but the Sabbath was about many things, not just that rest.

It was about upholding who the true God is, and that He is the Creator of all things.
It was to be separated from the common working days of the week.

Also it is not about the priesthood, thought Jesus is the infallable High Priest he is also the Creator and outward recognition is what should be shown from his believers.

It is also a sign that God/Jesus/The deliverer brought us out from bondage, not just to a sinful/pagan nation of Egypt but of sin itself.

Setting this day apart is not for our rest mainly but for Gods glorification.
 
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"Christians ARE observing the Sabbath under the New Covenant"

Actually too much focus has been on one aspect and making it into the whole thing, and sadly that focuses on oneself instead of God.

Sure, there is a rest found in him, but the Sabbath was about many things, not just that rest.

It was about upholding who the true God is, and that He is the Creator of all things.
It was to be separated from the common working days of the week.

Also it is not about the priesthood, thought Jesus is the infallable High Priest he is also the Creator and outward recognition is what should be shown from his believers.

It is also a sign that God/Jesus/The deliverer brought us out from bondage, not just to a sinful/pagan nation of Egypt but of sin itself.

Setting this day apart is not for our rest mainly but for Gods glorification.


Actually, it was G-d who focused on the rest in the Scriptures, it was what HE said. And yes, Yeshua's priesthood is extremely relevant as it is HIS rest that we, IF we are truly born again Believers in Yeshua as G-d, forgiven of our sins by faith in Him, His sacrifice and filled withe Ruach haKodesh, enter. AND why the Covenant was changed from the Old to the New.
 
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It's not about that as I explained. You are focusing on you, Keeping Shabbat puts the focus on the Creator. We who observe point to him.

I prefer to go by this:

13 If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the L-RD, honourable; and shall honour him, not doing your own ways, or finding your own pleasure, or speaking your own words:

14 Then shall you delight yourself in the L-RD; and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the L-RD hath spoken it.
 
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It's not about that as I explained.

You gave your opinion, of which I disagree. :) It IS about rest, as G-d was preparing us to enter the Spiritual rest in Yeshua that He provides in the New Covenant.

You are focusing on you, Keeping Shabbat puts the focus on the Creator.
What a presumptuous accusation. You cannot see into the hearts and minds of others. You don't know whom I am focusing on. Please, examine what you're saying and I hope you see that you are not qualified to make such a judgement of others.

We who observe point to him.
Again, presumptuous that others are not focusing on G-d whenever we worship Him and rest in Him.
 
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My friend Dana and I spoke about born again Believers not being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath, and she wrote this and granted permission for me to share it.

"That is what the Scriptures say, clearly. I would go further, in regard to the Sabbath, however, and state that we who believe *are* keeping Sabbath, not by our physical rest on the 7th day, but by our *Spiritual rest*....resting in the work *Christ* did on the cross.

Hebrews 4:3-10 For we *who have believed* **do** enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works";
and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest."

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts."

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
**For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.**

And I agree with you, that under this grace we have, we are free to rest on the 7th day, or not. It is a choice. Because the point is, our *faith* keeps the Sabbath. There are many who keep the Sabbath, who do not keep God's Sabbath... That's something to think about.

Also, I wanted to share another Scripture from Hebrews that to me, at least, reads so clear, in regard to the Old Covenant law not being in effect:

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Christ is not of the priesthood of Levi, but from the priesthood of Melchizedek (the eternal priesthood that existed *both ways* in eternity, past (before Levi) and future (in the Kingdom and beyond). The law was given through Moses to Israel because there was a change of the priesthood (from Melchizedek to Levi), but it was always meant to be a *temporary* condition. Now that Christ has come, the law must change again. We cannot hold on to the old law while trusting in the new High Priest. When we try, we deny the power of our Great High Priest and the blessings He bestows, by clinging to a *human* and *fallible* priesthood."
It was a little disappointing reading this OP as it is the same old argument that does not look at all the scriptures of the Old and New Testament and comes to a conclusion that is not based in scripture.

Why? Let's look at little closer then look at what God's Word says............

The OP makes the fatal mistake by not understanding the Old and New Covenant and the Old and New Testament scriptures in relation to; (1) What the Old Covenant was and (2) what were the purposes of the different laws in the Old Covenant for identifying SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the laws for remission of Sin should those laws be broken and (3) then building an interpretation around Hebrews 4 in the New Testament that has no basis in scripture. Let's see what God's Word says.....

(1) What was the Old Covenant..............................

The Old Covenant to Israel included both (1) God's Law (10 commandments) written on Stone by God and spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 34:28; 32:18; 20:1-17) and (2) the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that were written in a book by Moses (Exodus 24:5-8; Numbers 25:11-13; Deuteronomy 29:21; 31:24-26). God's Law was placed inside the Ark of the Covenant and the Mosaic book of the law was placed in the side of the Ark (Deuteronomy 10:5; Deuteronomy 31:26). Together God's Law (10 commandments) written on stone by God and the Mosaic law written in a book by Moses made up the Old Covenant.

Summary;
(1) What was the Old Covenant?
A:
the Old Covenant included; (1) God's Law (10 commandments) and (2) the Mosaic laws for the remission of sin.

(2) What was the purpose of God's Law and the Mosaic laws that made up the Old Covenant............................

Both God's Law and the Mosaic laws had different purposes under the Old Covenant, what were they...........................

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

Linking the old testament Mosaic Shadow laws for remission of sin to the New Covenant....

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

HEBREWS 8 [2] A MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE, WHICH THE LORD PITCHED AND NOT MAN. [3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [5] WHO SERVES AS AN EXAMPLE AND SHADOW OF THE HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. [6] But now hath HE HAS OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT MINISTRY, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED ON BETTER PROMISES . [7] For if that FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN NO PLACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR A SECOND. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITHE THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

Yep lots of scripture and many more not in this post that identify what the shadow law was that is fulfilled in Christ. It has never been God's Law which the scriptures say are forever and the very standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come.............

God's Law (10 Commandments) are forever.................

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

Summary;

(2) What was the purpose of God's Law and the Mosaic laws that made up the Old Covenant?
A. God's Law (10 commandments) were the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and gave a knowledge of good and evil. The Mosaic laws written in the book were the laws for forgiveness and the remission of sin pointing to Jesus and fulfilled in CHRIST! God's Law is forever and the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in both the Old and New Covenant and the Judgement to come! The Mosaic laws written in the book were temporary Shadows of things to come pointing to the plan of salvation in the New Covenant.

(3) What is Hebrews 4 really talking about?

No that we have looked at the scriptures from both the Old and New Testament let's bring Hebrews 4 into the picture. It is very simple to see from the scriptures presented in this post that it was the Mosaic priesthood and laws for remission of SIN that is now done away in the perfect sacrifice of Christ and his new ministration as our great HIgh Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Hebrews 8; 9; 10). WHile God's Law is still the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS under the New Covenant and as described as God's Word as being FOREVER (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

HEBREWS 4 (suggest also reading Hebrews 3 for context)
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Key Scripture points


* Fear that the promise being left us any of us should fall short of entering God’s rest (v1)
* The Gospel was preached to the people in the Wilderness as well as us. The Word did not profit those in the wilderness because of their unbeliefit (v2)
* For we which have believed do enter into His Rest. The people in the wilderness that did not believe God did not enter into His Rest even though works were finished from the foundation of the world (v3)
* Speaking of the 7th Day Sabbath and the last day of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3) (v4)
* God’s rest (Gen 2:1-3), those that believe enter into God’s 7th Day Sabbath rest those that do not believe do not enter into God’s 7th Day Sabbath rest (v5-6)
* Harden not your heart in unbelief (v7-8)
* There is a rest for the people of God (v9)
* Those that enter into God’s rest cease from works as God did v10
* We should labour to enter into God’s rest (Gen 2:1-3) faith in God’s Word (rest through believing God) v11
* The Word of God is powerful. v12

Please go back and look at the Greek meaning of the word "rest" used in Heb 4:9 its meaning is resting through keeping of a Sabbath or Sabbath observance. (I have provided Greek links below)

“There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest 4520 to the people of God.” (NAS; Heb 4:9)
The Greek word literally means “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.” (links below)

Strong's Concordance 4520
sabbatismos:
a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Strong's Greek 4520

σαββατισμὸς — 1 Occ.
Hebrews 4:9N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath); 1. a keeping sabbath. 2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

So let’s pull Hebrews 4:1-12 all together.........................

Summary;
(3) What is Hebrews 4 really talking about?
A.
The context is God’s rest from the week of creation on the 7th Day of the creation week (Heb 4:1-5). Those that did not enter into God’s rest (7th Day Sabbath) did not enter in because of their unbelief and disobedience (sins) to God’s Word. The Gospel was preached unto them but they did not believe it (Heb 4:2). God did not give them His true rest (Heb 4:5-8). This is the same warning for those that disobey Him and do not follow His Word. Only those that believe and obey God’s Word enter into his 7th Day Sabbath rest (Heb 4:6, 9, 10-12). So you can see Jesus is not a Sabbath. The Sabbath is the 7th Day of the Week. Jesus is Lord of this Day because he is the creator of this day (Heb 4:4; Mark 2:28-29). There is no scripture in all of God’s Word that says that Jesus is a Sabbath only that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and he made it for all of mankind and commands us to keep it as a holy day as a memorial of creation (Mark 2:27-28; Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11)

Overall Summary

So there it is and there are the scriptures that pull the OP down to the ground........

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

God bless


 
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WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10).

If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

God's Sheep hear His Voice....................
 
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Back to the OP y'all! ;-)

"I would go further, in regard to the Sabbath, however, and state that we who believe *are* keeping Sabbath, not by our physical rest on the 7th day, but by our *Spiritual rest*....resting in the work *Christ* did on the cross.

Hebrews 4:3 For we *who have believed* **do** enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."


Hebrews 4: 8 -11
For if Joshua had given them rest, G-d would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of G-d, 10 for whoever has entered G-d's rest has also rested from his works as G-d did from his.

11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

What "disobedience" prevented the Children of Israel who left Egypt with Moses from entering that rest? (Remember THEY HAD THE LAW and observed the 7th day Sabbath), yet G-d still said they did not enter that rest.

UNBELIEF

Hebrews 3:7-19

7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
on the day of testing in the wilderness,
9 where your fathers put me to the test
and saw my works for forty years.
10 Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
they have not known my ways.’
11 As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest.’”
12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living G-d. 13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. 15 As it is said,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief. (in Yeshua as G-d)



 
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Back to the OP y'all! ;-)
"I would go further, in regard to the Sabbath, however, and state that we who believe *are* keeping Sabbath, not by our physical rest on the 7th day, but by our *Spiritual rest*....resting in the work *Christ* did on the cross.
Hebrews 4:3-10 For we *who have believed* **do** enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

If you "BELIEVE" God's Word and follow it then you are are "BELIEVER" (James 1:22). These are those whose faith has the FRUIT OF OBEDIENCE. There is NO rest for those not following what God says.

NOW this is the experience of the "BELIEVER" who by faith alone lays hold of the promises of God to know the power of God unto salvation. This is what it means to be a believer or to believe God's Word. If you believe God's Word you have the fruit of faith which is obedience to God through love.

Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:26) because our salvation depends on us believing God's Word. It is the means of salvation from our sins. Unbelief (not having faith) in God's Word caused the fall of mankind and has given us the knowledge of good and evil. It is unbelief (not believing God's Word) that separates us from God and leads us to be lost. In light of the above and the New Covenant of love here are a few questions to think about.......

When God tells us to have no other God's before Him and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says you should not make any idols and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says we should not use His name in vain and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God tells us to remember His Sabbath day and keep it Holy and we disobey God is this having faith in God's Word?

When God tells is to honor our mother and father and we disobey Him is this having faith in Gods Word?

When God says to us do not commit adultery and we commit adultery is this unbelief (not having faith)?

When God tells us not to lie and we lie is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to steal, and we steal is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to kill, and we kill is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to covet our neighbors things and we disobey God, is this having faith in God's Word?

All the above can be summed up as ......

"And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." (Deut 6:5) and "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD. (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets (Matt 22:40)

Not having faith is a sin because your rejecting Gods Word. The word of God clearly tells us though that...

"Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4)

Faith is the means to salvation but obedience is the fruit your faith if you have not fruit and are not following God then you are still in your sins you have not seen him or known him because your faith does not have fruit.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believe that there is one God; thou does well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:17-20).

This is a salvation issue alright and it is over SIN which is transgression of God's Law and UNBELIEF in God's Word (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 14:23).

If any of us are living a life of known unrepentant SIN it is God's Word that says you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1 John 3:6,
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We must point all to the Word of God because it is only in the Word of God anyone can know the truth and the truth will make us free......

Who should we believe the traditions and teachings of men, or the Word of God?

It is only God's Word that will judge is in the last days (John 12:47-48) and in times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

God says; Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. Now if God asks you to do something and you do not do it are you believing God or not believing God?

Trouble is the scriptures say we are in "UNBELIEF" if our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God's Word. SIN is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). Those that are practicing sin have neither seen him or known Him (1 John 3:6). This was the reason God's people did not enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:1-19) the first time because their sins separated them from God. If you are in UNBELIEF living a life of unrepentant sin, God's Word says you are still in your sins and do not know him (1 John 3:3-10). This is exactly what was being discussed earlier in post # 6 above.

Those who are practicing UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into God's Kingdom the same as God's people did not enter His Sabbath rest (see also Hebrews 3 and 4)................

The scriptures are there for all to see and not acknowledging them does not make them go away.....

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it like any of the other 10 commandments, when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

God bless
 
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If you "BELIEVE" God's Word and follow it then you are are "BELIEVER" (James 1:22). These are those whose faith has the FRUIT OF OBEDIENCE. There is NO rest for those not following what God says.
By all means if you think following the law is following Jesus, keep it. I just don't see how saying you follow Jesus while following something else is really following Jesus.

Jesus said: If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus didn't say keep My Father's commandments. Jesus actually gave a new commandment as John quotes in his Gospel at 13:34.
NOW this is the experience of the "BELIEVER" who by faith alone lays hold of the promises of God to know the power of God unto salvation. This is what it means to be a believer or to believe God's Word. If you believe God's Word you have the fruit of faith which is obedience to God through love.

Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:26) because our salvation depends on us believing God's Word. It is the means of salvation from our sins. Unbelief (not having faith) in God's Word caused the fall of mankind and has given us the knowledge of good and evil. It is unbelief (not believing God's Word) that separates us from God and leads us to be lost. In light of the above and the New Covenant of love here are a few questions to think about.......
Even with faith it's not possible to keep the law. This is evidenced by the law contingency posters here and several passages of Scripture such as 1 John 1:6-10. The rest of your post is filler.
 
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One aspect of resting in Yeshua as our Sabbath TODAY as opposed to the one weekly 7th day observance.

From Got Questions:

"The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices.

Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided."
 
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It was a little disappointing reading this OP as it is the same old argument that does not look at all the scriptures of the Old and New Testament and comes to a conclusion that is not based in scripture.

Not so... whether you agree with the conclusion or not.
 
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My friend Dana and I spoke about born again Believers not being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath

By contrast under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33
-- which is the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.

And that Gospel is "unchanged" in the NT as we see in Hebrews 8:6-10


So then for all eternity after the cross in the NT "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

"what do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

And of course -

Mark 7
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Bible details matter.
 
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Christ is not of the priesthood of Levi, but from the priesthood of Melchizedek (the eternal priesthood that existed *both ways* in eternity, past (before Levi) and future (in the Kingdom and beyond). The law was given through Moses to Israel because there was a change of the priesthood (from Melchizedek to Levi), but it was always meant to be a *temporary* condition. Now that Christ has come, the law must change again. We cannot hold on to the old law while trusting in the new High Priest. When we try, we deny the power of our Great High Priest and the blessings He bestows, by clinging to a *human* and *fallible* priesthood."

Agreed up to this point. Agreed also about the priesthood of Christ and the fact that such a priesthood from the tribe of Judah required that there had been/would be a change in the Law of Moses, which Law specified that priests must be from the tribe of Levi.

Not so sure about "...The law was given through Moses to Israel because there was a change of the priesthood (from Melchizedek to Levi)...". I'm not sure how or why this would be so, or what the implications of this would be/are, or just what you mean by that - although I'll buy that Mosaic Law was meant to be a temporary condition, inasmuch it was a "schoolmaster" leading us, as we realized our utter failure to be able to keep it, to the redemption by the promised Seed of Woman, the Messiah. So, anyway, could you clarify why you say "because"?

And would I be accurately conveying the gist of you are saying if I were to state that if we continue to insist upon trying to justify ourselves or even to improve ourselves by "doing" Mosaic Law ("...having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?..."), that we are showing our failure to actually trust in what God has promised and delivered on for us in Christ?
 
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By contrast under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33
-- which is the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.
Just curious. Where in God's Word does He divide His Law into different sections?
 
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There are many who keep the Sabbath, who do not keep God's Sabbath... That's something to think about.

Moses writes "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made." Genesis 2

Moses and God write -
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.



Moses writes
1. Do not make graven images Ex 20
2. Do not take God's name in vain Ex 20:7
3. Honor your parents Ex 20:12
4. Do not murder Ex 20
5. Do not lie Ex 20
6. Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5
7. Love your neighbor as yourself Lev 19:18

Christians choose not to live in rebellion against God's Word - as Paul reminds us in Rom 8:4-10.
 
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My friend Dana and I spoke about born again Believers not being required to observe the 7th day Sabbath

By contrast under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God is written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33
-- which is the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.

And that Gospel is "unchanged" in the NT as we see in Hebrews 8:6-10


So then for all eternity after the cross in the NT "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

"what do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

And of course -

Mark 7
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Bible details matter.

Just curious. Where in God's Word does He divide His Law into different sections?

1 Cor 7:19 moral law of God vs ceremonial.

Where Eph 6:2 points out that the TEN are still binding
 
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1 Cor 7:19 moral law of God vs ceremonial.

Where Eph 6:2 points out that the TEN are still binding

Neither passage says anything near what you claim.

"...He [Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction..." 2 Peter 3:16​
 
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Neither passage says anything near what you claim.

step 1. quote them

1 Cor 7:10 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" and in the same verse "circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing" a Contrast between the moral law of God --that defines what sin IS -- as compared to ceremonial law.

1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of TEN... it is not the first commandment with a promise in the OT or in the books of Moses or in the book of Exodus.

Both of these are examples of Bible details so obvious that BOTH sides of the Sabbath vs Sunday question admit to them as we see in my signature line.

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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism. :groupray:

And of course 7th day groups
 
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Agreed up to this point. Agreed also about the priesthood of Christ and the fact that such a priesthood from the tribe of Judah required that there had been/would be a change in the Law of Moses, which Law specified that priests must be from the tribe of Levi.

Not so sure about "...The law was given through Moses to Israel because there was a change of the priesthood (from Melchizedek to Levi)...". I'm not sure how or why this would be so, or what the implications of this would be/are, or just what you mean by that - although I'll buy that Mosaic Law was meant to be a temporary condition, inasmuch it was a "schoolmaster" leading us, as we realized our utter failure to be able to keep it, to the redemption by the promised Seed of Woman, the Messiah. So, anyway, could you clarify why you say "because"?

Shalom Ken,

Thank you for your gracious and interesting reply.

You may have missed the intro at the top of the OP, but I did not write the commentary, my friend Dana did. We admin a Messianic Facebook group together. I will definitely relay your questions regarding the use of the word "because" to her and share her responses with you. She is not on this board and is not interested in joining at this point.

And would I be accurately conveying the gist of you are saying if I were to state that if we continue to insist upon trying to justify ourselves or even to improve ourselves by "doing" Mosaic Law ("...having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?..."), that we are showing our failure to actually trust in what God has promised and delivered on for us in Christ?

I can tell you that in the years we have admin'd the Messianic group together, I have learned that she would respond to the second question, as a resounding "YES, exactly!
 
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