When does the kingdom come

[Oseas]

In your devilish message #286 you wrote:
>>>Note that neither beast will support Catholicism or Judaism as they are currently known.Also, Christians need to be aware that during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will consciously and openly worship Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say that Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, he isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny that Jesus suffered and died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the Gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).<<<

The things you have wrote above is a cup of devils, you are a partaker of the table of demons and have drunk of the cup of devils. But now, from now ahead, you will know the cup of fierceness of God's wrath.

 

[Oseas]

In your devilish message #286 you wrote:
>>>So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' second coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (of Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' second coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says that the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he is Jesus returned (via reincarnation). And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it's important to know when and how the real Jesus' Second Coming will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).<<<

This is what says the Word of God:
It is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[jgr]

Note that no cult is being promulgated here, only what the Bible itself teaches, which is what the Reformers themselves espoused in their doctrine of sola scriptura.

With sola scriptura's declaration of Scripture as the sole authority, the result was that no individual or institution, including the Reformers themselves, could claim to possess the authority to be the sole and exclusive interpreter of Scripture. This had been the papacy's claim up to that time.

What it prohibited was any Reformed teaching which contradicted the Bible, such as Calvin's idea that he could murder Servetus, or Luther's idea that he could be anti-Semitic.

Yes, Calvin and Luther had their failings as well. However, Luther was not anti-Semitic, but rather anti-Judaic. I've no doubt that he welcomed any Jew/Semite who forsook Judaism and turned to Christ.

That's right, but the good olive tree in Romans 11 is still Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24). For Gentiles are from a different, wild olive tree (Romans 11:17,24).

Any tree into which believers are grafted represents Christ, who is its root and trunk, consistent with Christ's description of himself as the vine (which consists of the root and trunk) in John 15. Thus even though Paul depicts Jewish believers as being grafted into their own tree, that tree represents Christ. The same is true of the tree into which Gentile believers are grafted.

 

[Bible2+]

Oseas said in post #300:

Go down into the abyss, deceiver spírit. you know not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Note that what I have presented has been based solely on God's own word the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and not on any teaching of men (2 Peter 1:20-21), much less of the devil (Matthew 16:23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

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Oseas said in post #301:

The things you have wrote above is a cup of devils, you are a partaker of the table of demons and have drunk of the cup of devils.

Regarding 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, note that it, like Revelation 2:14b,20b, refers only to those who eat meat sacrificed to idols with the intent, or the idea, that in doing so they're actually "fellowshipping" with the idols, as opposed to having the true knowledge (1 Corinthians 8:10a) to eat the meat just as meat, without ascribing any evil spiritual significance to it whatsoever (1 Corinthians 8:4-8; 1 Corinthians 10:25-31). For under the New Covenant, all foods are in themselves okay for all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, to eat (1 Timothy 4:4-5).

Oseas said in post #301:

But now, from now ahead, you will know the cup of fierceness of God's wrath.

Regarding Revelation 16:19, note that there the "great city" which will be literally, topographically divided into 3 parts by a literal, future earthquake (Revelation 16:18) is the literal, earthly "great city" of Jerusalem, where Jesus Christ was crucified (Revelation 11:8, Luke 13:33). In Revelation 16:19, "great Babylon" is something bigger than just Jerusalem.

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Also, in Revelation 16:19, "great Babylon" isn't the future, single, literal city of Babylon (in Iraq). For that won't be destroyed until Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Isaiah 13), which won't occur until after the 7th vial of the future Tribulation is completed, and the symbolic (and worldwide) "Mystery Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) has already been destroyed by the cities of the nations being destroyed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).

Oseas said in post #301:

But now, from now ahead, you will know the cup of fierceness of God's wrath.

Be very, very careful about cursing others (Psalms 109:17-20, Psalms 79:12), especially Christians (Revelation 12:10, Proverbs 26:2). For you could simply be mistaken in your views, like Hananiah was (compare Jeremiah 28:15-17).

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Oseas said in post #302:

. . . They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us . . .

Regarding 1 John 2:19, note that it doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that apostate Christians were never real Christians, but can mean apostate Christians were never of the overcomers to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). Real Christians who have their names written in the Book of Life can have their names blotted out if they fail to overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). People can really believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel only for awhile, before at some point wrongly employing their free will to depart from the faith, to no longer believe, to commit apostasy (Luke 8:13; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).

1 John 2:18-19 can refer to Christians who eventually became Gnostic-type Christians (cf. 2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3), and so left the Church because of its continued, and correct, insistence that Christ is in the flesh (Luke 24:39).

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Gnosticism is an ancient religious movement which says everything material is inherently evil, while only that which is pure spirit can be good. Gnosticism teaches all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in a purely-spiritual heaven, called the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the God of Biblical Christians, and the Creator of the material universe and of all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering in fleshly bodies and in the material universe.

Gnosticism became one of the main enemies of the early Church, and it will become the greatest enemy of the Church during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. For the Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will instead bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

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Gnosticism has some core teachings in common with Buddhism and Hinduism:

1. The material realm is unreal and evil. (Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Maya", from Hinduism.)

2. People must strive to escape the material realm completely, and enter a state which is wholly non-physical (Parinirvana in Buddhism, the Pleroma in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Brahman", from Hinduism.

3. The way for people to get free from their imprisonment within the material realm is through their minds attaining a certain level of enlightenment (Nirvana in Buddhism, Gnosis in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Moksha", from Hinduism.

4. The way for their minds to attain this certain level of enlightenment is through following the way of the Serpent (one legend of Buddhism says the Buddha was given the true Buddhism by the King of the Serpents; and in Gnosticism, Gnosis comes from the Christ/the Serpent). Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea of the enlightening serpent, originally called "Kundalini", from Hinduism. (Regarding the serpent in Genesis 3, Gnostics see him as the good guy, while they see YHWH as the bad guy.)

The Bible contradicts each of the 4 points above:

1. The material realm is real, and was created by YHWH God as something very good (Genesis 1:31). God Himself is in the flesh (John 1:1,14, Luke 24:39) and remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So there's nothing evil about matter in itself.

2. People must strive to attain to a resurrection (Philippians 3:11) in an immortal human body of flesh and bones like the immortal human body of flesh and bones which Jesus Christ obtained at His resurrection on the 3rd day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25), and in which He will remain forever as Christians' fully-human mediator/high priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26). His tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and at His Second Coming, He will show the scars of the Crucifixion on His body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

3. Resurrected people who have been truly enlightened/illuminated (Ephesians 1:18, Hebrews 10:32) by Jesus Christ (John 14:6-7, John 8:32, John 3:36) will remain in the material realm (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), ultimately living on a New Earth with God (Revelation 21:1-4).

4. The Serpent, Satan/Lucifer, is the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9).

 

[Bible2+]

jgr said in post #303:

With sola scriptura's declaration of Scripture as the sole authority, the result was that no individual or institution, including the Reformers themselves, could claim to possess the authority to be the sole and exclusive interpreter of Scripture. This had been the papacy's claim up to that time.

That's right. And it is still mistakenly claimed by the RCC up until this day.

jgr said in post #303:

Yes, Calvin and Luther had their failings as well.

We all do. That's why we must look only to the Bible itself (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and not to any man as being infallible in his teachings (e.g. Matthew 16:23, Galatians 2:11-14, Luke 22:34).

jgr said in post #303:

However, Luther was not anti-Semitic, but rather anti-Judaic.

Note that being anti-Semitic means being hostile toward Jews, as Luther mistakenly was, and as some Christians today still mistakenly are.

jgr said in post #303:

I've no doubt that he welcomed any Jew/Semite who forsook Judaism and turned to Christ.

Note that Christians should not be hostile toward Jews even if they are still non-Christians, just as Christians should never be hostile toward any non-Christians (Matthew 5:44-48).

Indeed, because of the wonderful example of Saul the persecutor becoming Paul the apostle (1 Timothy 1:12-17; Acts 7:58 to Acts 13:9), Christians should keep loving and praying for any non-Christians, that God would miraculously save their souls (2 Timothy 2:25, Ephesians 2:8, Colossians 1:21-23).

Also, because of the example of Saul becoming Paul, those who have persecuted Christians and reviled the Christian faith in the past, but now feel God's gifts of repentance and faith (2 Timothy 2:25, Ephesians 2:8) moving within them, shouldn't think that what they have done against Christians and the Christian faith (whether in word or deed) in the past disqualifies them now from being able to repent and ask God's forgiveness, and to receive His salvation through their faith in Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:21-22).

jgr said in post #303:

Any tree into which believers are grafted represents Christ, who is its root and trunk, consistent with Christ's description of himself as the vine (which consists of the root and trunk) in John 15.

Just as all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the vine which is Jesus Christ (John 15:5), the only way to salvation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12), so all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the good olive tree of Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24, Jeremiah 11:16-17).

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Similarly, note that Jeremiah 31:31-33 doesn't have to say that the New Covenant is made "only" with Israel to mean that, just as it doesn't have to say that the Old Covenant Mosaic law was made "only" with Israel to mean that (Jeremiah 31:32). It's because the New Covenant is made only with Israel that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22b) and the Gospel goes to the Jews first (Romans 1:16). It's also why Jesus Christ said Matthew 15:24,26 in the context of being asked to minister to someone who wasn't of Israel (Matthew 15:22-26). It's also why Gentile Christians have been grafted into Israel, so they can partake of the New Covenant salvation offered to Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

 

[Kelly McArthur]

Jesus said: "If I cast out demons with my finger surely the kingdom of God has come unto you"
Jesus said: "Let the little children come unto me, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these"

1. One has to be realistic, go from the milk to the meat, refine in the fire, putting a little more heat on the wood and clay, ask some very good questions. Pull the head out of the clouds.

Science proves the mind is divided; the brain controls the body; how you feed and take care of the body reflects on the brain. If the eye has a sliver in it, the eye is not able to see and yet the ear is able to hear; all join together.​

Let wisdom come forth; ask questions without being afraid & know the refining fire of the question leads to knowledge and knowledge to understanding and understanding to wisdom; know Lord Jesus is with you right from the get go where ever you are turn to him and acknowledge his presence, no need to follow another.

Seek the Holy Spirit who is right on, who interprets so you're able to hear the Lord's thoughts and yours separately; go from smallness to greatness; calmly ask a question and like Jacobs ladder, step up higher in the mind and stop the circling with double mindedness on the ground.

Learn to walk straight the way of the Light with Truth and the Life; no one come into the fathers presence without Lord Jesus. I say this because of the copy cat called blind one.

2. Jesus told us he's not from this world, yet we could see him, so where is he from? The kingdom is within; how does the kingdom originate? Simply learn to ask and don't be afraid and listen and wait, when you hear acknowledge him.

3. Ask him who is Lord how to understand with the Holy Spirit; the great teacher and physician is with you within the kingdom; the seed has the power within to grow the tree; the seed needs good soil and this earth is called a field in darkness that the seed is able to be sustained in, the seed is the shell; the soul is the light within the shell that comes out of the seed that grows up and into the fullness of the light and matures through the setting down of good roots.

Jesus said "I am the vine and you are the branches", ask questions.



4. All is in a mystery; Jesus said let the little children come unto me, do not harm any!

5. Jesus knows the little child is an A student asking his teacher questions knowing the A is not greater than rather becomes like him; I AM able to teach.

6. Now is the time to step out of darkness and learn how to humbly Ask the question. Why do I lie? Why am I afraid and have bad thoughts? Help me to know. Help me to forgive those who have harmed me, help me to forgive myself for those I have harmed.

7. Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going?

If light burst all at once the mind would be blinded with the darkness, rather the eyes adjust slowly. The seed break's first like a egg with a chick allowing the inner part to come forth gently and in due season much like the bright and morning star comes first then the Son rises slowly over the horizon.

Truth reveals like the sun behind a cloud called a veil; then curtain has been rent like a woman in labour crowning the head of her first born, revealing the son from behind.

8. Our dear sweet saviour Jesus is drawing calmly the little child out of a dream like state and all is done with gentleness & openness out of darkness into the light.

9. Some are afraid, clinging to the old for fear of the new afraid to be deceived; find Lord Jesus and make him Lord of your life and be comforted by his Holy Spirit.

10. Some have no idea they had the right or power, not knowing Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; know you're not a beggar & he's been with you all this time.

Choose freely to awaken and do not be afraid. Leave the darkness of this world behind and grow up in him knowing you are dearly loved and not forgotten; loose your life here with him while you keep your feet rooted; he's going to catch the male-child up to his throne in the heaven; that's where he is making his place with you right now.

While you are on this earth you are rooted firmly in him; your feet are planted and your mind is in the heaven on the way with Jesus to the Father.

11. As Christ's we are not superstitious or from M.A.R.S. Martyrs Activist Robin-hoods or Supermen. We are Christ's alone, we belong to him, and we walk the law of the land in peace and love and we do not harm any not even ourselves while we continue in service here in this world.

12. He keeps his promises to you. Humility and love grow together and come to know each other like a servant and a king; a little child is nurtured by his mother then comes to know the Father and becomes like him, and the mother is pleased that her son knows his father.

We are family, we are the children of the most High, this world is not our home.
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The kingdom is within you.

13. God knows this world has Satan who stands accusing you day and night; God knows every knee will bow; God has given his Word to assist you; trust the HS and know this gift of God is eternal life and that he has assisted in speaking to Abraham giving the promise, Isaac and Jacob who wrestled with the Word of our Lord who was given his name; know God has your back, walk before him and don't be afraid, everything that is happening now has already happened, we're simply going through the motions, stay calm and open to the Lord and know his voice.

What can man do to you, this shell is dead anyways, continually being eaten by a parasite called worm.

14. God knows the ego is going to be gnashing his teeth, don't worry. God says do not kill steal or harm any, love him with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbour as you love yourself, that's the true reflection.

15. We know the ego comes from the flesh, desires to be a Christ, desires honour and praise, that he's called a copy cat and blind one that does not inherit eternal life. We know the flesh is called sinful in nature and is corruptible and is destined to die.

16. We know Christ is here to set your soul free indeed in him who is the only one called good; no more guilt and shame with Christ Jesus only love and peace to his children; this is a mystery revealing, a story like any good seed when planted in the good soil when cared for, will soon to be revealed.

17. The elected will be the first to enter into the kingdom; your thoughts come in line with Christ Jesus; an overcomer is given eternal life. You are the children, individual and unique and yet all the same. You will awake from sleeping, your mind will walk out of this dream.

18. Choose to ask questions; walk humbly with your Lord and respect wisdom; be One with the HS as you join with the Christ who is our True Father. Choose to awaken with him on purpose, this is your mission; do not be afraid.

Our Lord Jesus Christ will not forsake the chosen ones.

Choose now though the free will given to you by Christ Jesus to simply stand up in the mind and walk out of darkness with him daily. Do ask and learn how to listen, don't deny the power of the HS and the rest will follow by acknowledging his name and presence within you and the little child will awaken and know the kingdom truly has come within and there are many rooms prepared for you; be still and know he is God.



Know that once you awaken you will never again be separated by the illusion of death. Souls don't die, they transform through the renewing of the mind with Christ Jesus.

The kingdom is within you, you have everything you need to know how to access the Truth with the HS and Lord Jesus; light travels straight way with our Christ into the Fathers presence to know Truth and Life.

Soon the whole world will know who Jesus Christ is.

We're in the Second Coming of Christ.





M

 

[Oseas]

Note that what I have presented has been based solely on God's own word the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and not on any teaching of men (2 Peter 1:20-21), much less of the devil (Matthew 16:23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).
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Regarding 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, note that it, like Revelation 2:14b,20b, refers only to those who eat meat sacrificed to idols with the intent, or the idea, that in doing so they're actually "fellowshipping" with the idols, as opposed to having the true knowledge (1 Corinthians 8:10a) to eat the meat just as meat, without ascribing any evil spiritual significance to it whatsoever (1 Corinthians 8:4-8; 1 Corinthians 10:25-31). For under the New Covenant, all foods are in themselves okay for all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, to eat (1 Timothy 4:4-5).

Regarding Revelation 16:19, note that there the "great city" which will be literally, topographically divided into 3 parts by a literal, future earthquake (Revelation 16:18) is the literal, earthly "great city" of Jerusalem, where Jesus Christ was crucified (Revelation 11:8, Luke 13:33). In Revelation 16:19, "great Babylon" is something bigger than just Jerusalem.

Also, in Revelation 16:19, "great Babylon" isn't the future, single, literal city of Babylon (in Iraq). For that won't be destroyed until Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Isaiah 13), which won't occur until after the 7th vial of the future Tribulation is completed, and the symbolic (and worldwide) "Mystery Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) has already been destroyed by the cities of the nations being destroyed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).
Be very, very careful about cursing others (Psalms 109:17-20, Psalms 79:12), especially Christians (Revelation 12:10, Proverbs 26:2). For you could simply be mistaken in your views, like Hananiah was (compare Jeremiah 28:15-17).
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Regarding 1 John 2:19, note that it doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that apostate Christians were never real Christians, but can mean apostate Christians were never of the overcomers to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). Real Christians who have their names written in the Book of Life can have their names blotted out if they fail to overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). People can really believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel only for awhile, before at some point wrongly employing their free will to depart from the faith, to no longer believe, to commit apostasy (Luke 8:13; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).

1 John 2:18-19 can refer to Christians who eventually became Gnostic-type Christians (cf. 2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3), and so left the Church because of its continued, and correct, insistence that Christ is in the flesh (Luke 24:39).

Gnosticism is an ancient religious movement which says everything material is inherently evil, while only that which is pure spirit can be good. Gnosticism teaches all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in a purely-spiritual heaven, called the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the God of Biblical Christians, and the Creator of the material universe and of all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering in fleshly bodies and in the material universe.

Gnosticism became one of the main enemies of the early Church, and it will become the greatest enemy of the Church during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. For the Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will instead bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

Gnosticism has some core teachings in common with Buddhism and Hinduism:

1. The material realm is unreal and evil. (Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Maya", from Hinduism.)

2. People must strive to escape the material realm completely, and enter a state which is wholly non-physical (Parinirvana in Buddhism, the Pleroma in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Brahman", from Hinduism.

3. The way for people to get free from their imprisonment within the material realm is through their minds attaining a certain level of enlightenment (Nirvana in Buddhism, Gnosis in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Moksha", from Hinduism.

4. The way for their minds to attain this certain level of enlightenment is through following the way of the Serpent (one legend of Buddhism says the Buddha was given the true Buddhism by the King of the Serpents; and in Gnosticism, Gnosis comes from the Christ/the Serpent). Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea of the enlightening serpent, originally called "Kundalini", from Hinduism. (Regarding the serpent in Genesis 3, Gnostics see him as the good guy, while they see YHWH as the bad guy.)

The Bible contradicts each of the 4 points above:

1. The material realm is real, and was created by YHWH God as something very good (Genesis 1:31). God Himself is in the flesh (John 1:1,14, Luke 24:39) and remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So there's nothing evil about matter in itself.

2. People must strive to attain to a resurrection (Philippians 3:11) in an immortal human body of flesh and bones like the immortal human body of flesh and bones which Jesus Christ obtained at His resurrection on the 3rd day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25), and in which He will remain forever as Christians' fully-human mediator/high priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26). His tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and at His Second Coming, He will show the scars of the Crucifixion on His body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

3. Resurrected people who have been truly enlightened/illuminated (Ephesians 1:18, Hebrews 10:32) by Jesus Christ (John 14:6-7, John 8:32, John 3:36) will remain in the material realm (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), ultimately living on a New Earth with God (Revelation 21:1-4).

You wrote: >>>Note that what I have presented has been based solely on God's own word the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and not on any teaching of men (2 Peter 1:20-21), much less of the devil (Matthew 16:23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).<<<

No surprise. Satan knows the book of the Lord, the Word of God, as he shows by you yourself, as one of his messengers, among many many others. I am not fighting against the flesh and blood, I know your spirit, a deceiver spirit speaks through you, and tries to deceive who attend this Christian forum. You, Satan, from the beginning you uses the Word of God to deceive, as you did with the woman saying in reverse what God had said. God had saidGen.2:16) Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. God had said also that the tree of Life was in midst of the Garden. But you, Satan, with your cunning, you did take the Word of God and said to the woman: (Gen.3:1) Yea, hath God said, Ye shall NOT eat of every tree of the Garden? And you, Satan, you confounded the woman through the Word of God. And the woman answered: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the Garden (right): But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Not true, God did not said that, the woman did lie). The tree in the midst was the tree of Life. (Today is JESUS, and the woman is the true Church of the Lord JESUS.)
From what has been stated above, the believers can perceive how astute is Satan speaking by his messengers. The Apostle Paul warned: It is no great thing if the ministers of the Devil also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2Cor.11:15)
Hear who has ears to hear. The believers must bi vigilant mainly when Satan speak the truth for you, as he did with our Lord JESUS. Satan said the truth to JESUS: (Matt.4:v.6) And (Satan) saith unto him (JESUS), If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. (TRUE)
Again I alert all the believers: : Take care when Satan uses Scriptures to lay a trap for you believer, as he tried to do with our Lord JESUS. Even now, in this Christian forum, Satan is using the Bible2 to lay a trap for you. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God.
Hence from here Satan does not pass, he will be cast into the abyss now, in this present millennium.

 

[jgr]

That's right. And it is still mistakenly claimed by the RCC up until this day.

Claimed, yes. But no longer enforced, or attempted to be enforced, since the Reformation.

We all do. That's why we must look only to the Bible itself (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and not to any man as being infallible in his teachings (e.g. Matthew 16:23, Galatians 2:11-14, Luke 22:34).

Agreed; certainly no man or institution is infallible, as the Reformers agreed. We may, however, use the scripturally-approved ministry of teaching to assist in resolving interpretive differences, while recognizing its fallibility as well.

Note that being anti-Semitic means being hostile toward Jews, as Luther mistakenly was, and as some Christians today still mistakenly are.

You're confusing religion with ethnicity. Luther's hostility was of the former. But I certainly agree that hostility for any reason is indefensible.

What Christians today are hostile toward ethnic Jewish Christians?

Just as all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the vine which is Jesus Christ (John 15:5), the only way to salvation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12), so all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are individual branches in the good olive tree of Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24, Jeremiah 11:16-17).

Jewish believers within the Church do have their own tree. But it's not Israel. It's Christ. Same with Gentile believers' tree. Same as who the Vine is in John 15. In John 15, Christ is addressing his Israelite disciples, but He did not identify the Vine as Israel. He identified it as Himself. John 4:22 is consistent with this identification, for Christ is there also speaking of Himself. It is not the Jews who are salvation; it is Christ, the Lion of Judah from the Jews, who alone is salvation (Acts 4:12; 16:31; 2:21; Luke 19:10; etc.). His New Covenant is with all believers i.e. the Church (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 10:15).

 

[Kelly McArthur]

1. Boy O boy, that's some writing.

 

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Oseas said in post #307:

And the woman answered: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the Garden (right): But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Not true, God did not said that, the woman did lie).

Note that Eve didn't lie in Genesis 3:3. For she was referring to what God had said in Genesis 2:17.

Oseas said in post #307:

The tree in the midst was the tree of Life.

Note that both the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were in the midst of the garden (Genesis 2:9).

Oseas said in post #307:

The tree in the midst was the tree of Life. (Today is JESUS . . .

While Jesus Christ is the life (John 14:6), the source of Christians' eternal life spiritually (John 3:16), the Tree of Life could be a literal tree the fruit of which will be for the eternal life of obedient Christians' future, physical resurrection bodies, just as Adam's physical body would have lived forever if he'd eaten of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:22). The leaves of the Tree of Life could also help speed the healing (Revelation 22:2b) of Christians' resurrection bodies if they're injured by accident.

And Christians may still have to eat other foods for their nourishment even after their physical resurrection, just as even angels may have to eat (Psalms 78:25).

Having to eat food is a good thing. For it's a daily reminder of our dependence on God for our continued existence (Acts 17:28, Matthew 6:11). This will be important to remember especially after the resurrection of obedient Christians into immortal physical bodies, so Christians don't become proud and rebellious against God, like happened with the angelic being Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15).

So in the eternal state, Christians could still eat, work and play. They may not have to sleep, however, as their eternal bodies and brains may be able to maintain themselves without sleep.

Also, the Christians in New Jerusalem in the eternal state on the future, New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5) will still have free will. For God wants real children (Revelation 21:7), not robots. But because of their continued free will, it will be possible for Christians in New Jerusalem to sin. But they won't have to ever sin, just as Christians now don't have to ever sin (Romans 6:17-22).

If a Christian in the eternal state does commit a sin, what will happen to him will depend on what he does next. If he repents, he will be forgiven (1 John 1:9). If he refuses to repent, he will be chastened (Revelation 3:19). And if he still refuses to repent, he will end up in the lake of fire (Hebrews 10:26-27).

The lake of fire will exist on the New Earth outside one wall of New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:14-15, Revelation 21:8). A lot else will also exist on the New Earth. For a new race of humans will be created along with the New Earth, which race will fall into sin and mortality, although they will then normally die at advanced ages (Isaiah 65:17,20). Christians of the present earth could become like the angels of the New Earth in the sense they could minister to the elect members of the new race of humans, like how angels now minister to the elect humans on the present earth (Hebrews 1:14).

Oseas said in post #307:

From what has been stated above, the believers can perceive how astute is Satan speaking by his messengers.

Note that his messengers will contradict the Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4), which has not been done here.

That is, the devil's theology is to contradict God's Word with something which sounds better to humans, to deceive them into rejecting God's will (Genesis 3:1-6, Matthew 16:21-23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3-4).

For example, God said: "thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:17). But the devil said: "Ye shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

 

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jgr said in post #308:

Claimed, yes. But no longer enforced, or attempted to be enforced, since the Reformation.

Are you saying that an RCC priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, etc., can teach doctrines which contradict the RCC?

jgr said in post #308:

. . . certainly no man or institution is infallible, as the Reformers agreed.

Then we need to stick with sola scriptura (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

jgr said in post #308:

We may, however, use the scripturally-approved ministry of teaching to assist in resolving interpretive differences . . .

Of course, so long as the teaching is from the Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4).

jgr said in post #308:

You're confusing religion with ethnicity. Luther's hostility was of the former.

What do you base that on?

jgr said in post #308:

What Christians today are hostile toward ethnic Jewish Christians?

There may be some who say that is an oxymoron. The Christian Identity movement, for example. That is, "white supremacist" Christians, who see all genetic Jews as Satanic ("Satan's seed"), based on, for example, John 8:44, which was actually addressed only to nonelect Jews, not elect Jews (Romans 9:24).

jgr said in post #308:

Jewish believers within the Church do have their own tree. But it's not Israel.

Note that it is Israel. That's why they are the natural branches in that tree, whereas Gentiles need to be engrafted from another tree into the tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

jgr said in post #308:

In John 15, Christ is addressing his Israelite disciples, but He did not identify the Vine as Israel.

That's right. The vine is Jesus (John 15:5). But the tree is Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24).

That is, John 15:5a refers to the body of Jesus Christ, of which all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, are a part (1 Corinthians 12:13). The connection between them being part of the vine of the body of Christ, and them also being part of the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), is that the salvation which all Christians have in Christ comes only through the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

 

[Kelly McArthur]

Stone Age: 3.5 million years ago; use common sense; the internet is called the Monolithic cornerstone.



1. Moses was a man that was sent away and raised as adopted and didn't know his own father; he was a murderer like his adopted Father and he married Zipporah who is described as hailing from Midian. Moses learned from his father-law and when his wife left him with their two sons out there in the dessert, he went and killed her tribe, the Midianites, in a brutal permanent way. Moses had his followers murder all Midianite men; they raped and murdered the women and kept the female virgins as concubines and slaves, causing great pain in the females and I'm sure the females who were with Moses didn't like this savage behaviour.

Midian was the son from Abraham his concubine wife Keturah; Midian's priests worshiped Yhwh while Abraham's god was called El who was the supreme god of the Canaanite religion and Shaddai comes from the first dynasty of Babylon, where the tower of babel derived, where the Jubilees started and all magical writings had their beginning of what we know as Genesis and the Torah; all these came together, the books of the Jews.

Keturah's grandson was also named Enoch, who is said to be the eldest son of Cain. Enoch walked with God and was said to have been spared death. All this is a mystery like a fiddle head unrolling; push deep into the soil of darkness; being rooted in Christ Jesus who is your are light and stretch up towards the son while seeing in the darkness. This is how the mind is renewed.

Abraham's and Moses documents were a combination now called the Torah. Moses understandings of Egyptian mythology was also implemented; check out the snake and the sun god, this is why he couldn't speak with confidence to the Pharaoh because he knew a thing or two that the Hebrews didn't know. I'm skimming, you have to look for yourself; this is simply the cream called mother's milk.
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2. The truth is we're here because we are little children of the True Father, like a woman who bears the seed within, this earth bears us in darkness and we grow in him having been loosed of the shell, not kill it.

3. The story of Adam and Eve is a mystery using the metaphorical imagination of the mind through God and HS inspired; the serpent is the sexual nature that beguiled Eve, who conversed on her own terms knowing good and evil. Sexual nature has a mind, the heart has a mind and the brain has a mind.

Eve used the nature to convince Adam that the nature was darkness.

4. The stories of all the mythological god's, Uranus, Cronus, Zeus; how man's priests conjured up a way to appease the gods by using human sacrifices keeping themselves safe of course; how women and children were meat sacrifices and eaten; terrible times back in those days; chaos and fear ruled the people with much darkness and those priests, they weren't very good and it was a good thing to be their friend or else you're child or wife or even yourself could be taken and eaten in a frenzy.

5. Homo sapiens is the two names used for the only known surviving human species who came into existence about 300,000 years ago. Homo is the human genesis of man, which includes the Neanderthals from the North who stayed on the millstone of life; eat/sleep have sex and Homo erectus from the South about 1.5 million years ago, stood up and walked out as family leaving Africa and populate other parts of the world. Modern humans are the subspecies Homo sapiens.

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6. The Father's plan is to come out of darkness with the Christ through the power of the HS. Coming out of this shell is the soul who puts down roots and grows up, kept safe while the roots remain in darkness. You'll know what's going on.

7. We are in a duality, left and right, up and down.

8. The soul is in the seed in darkness.

9. Each seed is individual.

10. Let the mind of Christ be revealed.

11. We are loved.

12. Stand up and ask on purpose, Lord Jesus awaken me.

13. We are in a duality of darkness and light. With roots our history is known. Mature as one who knows go from being a christian to a Christ with him, Lord Jesus.

14. The shell profits nothing, it cannot inherit eternal life.

15. Jesus is the true vine, he's our Father.

Bear with the labour.

M

 

[jgr]

Are you saying that an RCC priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, etc., can teach doctrines which contradict the RCC?

I'm saying that the enforcement originating in the 1229 Council of Toulouse, which prohibited Scriptural access by the masses, no longer exists.

There may be some who say that is an oxymoron. The Christian Identity movement, for example. That is, "white supremacist" Christians, who see all genetic Jews as Satanic ("Satan's seed"), based on, for example, John 8:44, which was actually addressed only to nonelect Jews, not elect Jews (Romans 9:24).

Do you know any acknowledged Christian individuals or institutions who consider Christian Identity to be Christian?

Note that it is Israel. That's why they are the natural branches in that tree, whereas Gentiles need to be engrafted from another tree into the tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

Note that it is Christ.

Romans 11:17 describes an olive tree whose root is Christ, whose trunk is Christ, and whose branches, while Jewish, must be believers in Christ in order to not be broken off.

How do you describe a tree whose one characteristic is Jewish, and whose other three characteristics are Christ?

You describe it as a "Christ" tree.

How do you describe a tree whose branches, both Jew and Gentile, can be broken off if they reject belief in Christ?

You describe it as a "Christ" tree.

the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

In addition to Israel, the New Covenant is made with the Church (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 10:15; 12:22-24).
But there is only one New Covenant, and those of Israel who enter into it are added to the Church (Acts 2:22,41).

 

[Oseas]

Note that Eve didn't lie in Genesis 3:3. For she was referring to what God had said in Genesis 2:17.

Note that both the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were in the midst of the garden (Genesis 2:9).

While Jesus Christ is the life (John 14:6), the source of Christians' eternal life spiritually (John 3:16), the Tree of Life could be a literal tree the fruit of which will be for the eternal life of obedient Christians' future, physical resurrection bodies, just as Adam's physical body would have lived forever if he'd eaten of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:22). The leaves of the Tree of Life could also help speed the healing (Revelation 22:2b) of Christians' resurrection bodies if they're injured by accident.

And Christians may still have to eat other foods for their nourishment even after their physical resurrection, just as even angels may have to eat (Psalms 78:25).

Having to eat food is a good thing. For it's a daily reminder of our dependence on God for our continued existence (Acts 17:28, Matthew 6:11). This will be important to remember especially after the resurrection of obedient Christians into immortal physical bodies, so Christians don't become proud and rebellious against God, like happened with the angelic being Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15).

So in the eternal state, Christians could still eat, work and play. They may not have to sleep, however, as their eternal bodies and brains may be able to maintain themselves without sleep.

Also, the Christians in New Jerusalem in the eternal state on the future, New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5) will still have free will. For God wants real children (Revelation 21:7), not robots. But because of their continued free will, it will be possible for Christians in New Jerusalem to sin. But they won't have to ever sin, just as Christians now don't have to ever sin (Romans 6:17-22).

If a Christian in the eternal state does commit a sin, what will happen to him will depend on what he does next. If he repents, he will be forgiven (1 John 1:9). If he refuses to repent, he will be chastened (Revelation 3:19). And if he still refuses to repent, he will end up in the lake of fire (Hebrews 10:26-27).
The lake of fire will exist on the New Earth outside one wall of New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:14-15, Revelation 21:8). A lot else will also exist on the New Earth. For a new race of humans will be created along with the New Earth, which race will fall into sin and mortality, although they will then normally die at advanced ages (Isaiah 65:17,20). Christians of the present earth could become like the angels of the New Earth in the sense they could minister to the elect members of the new race of humans, like how angels now minister to the elect humans on the present earth (Hebrews 1:14).

Note that his messengers will contradict the Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4), which has not been done here.

That is, the devil's theology is to contradict God's Word with something which sounds better to humans, to deceive them into rejecting God's will (Genesis 3:1-6, Matthew 16:21-23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3-4).
For example, God said: "thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:17). But the devil said: "Ye shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

Note that Eve didn't lie in Genesis 3:3. For she was referring to what God had said in Genesis 2:17.

Note that both the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were in the midst of the garden (Genesis 2:9).

While Jesus Christ is the life (John 14:6), the source of Christians' eternal life spiritually (John 3:16), the Tree of Life could be a literal tree the fruit of which will be for the eternal life of obedient Christians' future, physical resurrection bodies, just as Adam's physical body would have lived forever if he'd eaten of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:22). The leaves of the Tree of Life could also help speed the healing (Revelation 22:2b) of Christians' resurrection bodies if they're injured by accident.

And Christians may still have to eat other foods for their nourishment even after their physical resurrection, just as even angels may have to eat (Psalms 78:25).

Having to eat food is a good thing. For it's a daily reminder of our dependence on God for our continued existence (Acts 17:28, Matthew 6:11). This will be important to remember especially after the resurrection of obedient Christians into immortal physical bodies, so Christians don't become proud and rebellious against God, like happened with the angelic being Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15).

So in the eternal state, Christians could still eat, work and play. They may not have to sleep, however, as their eternal bodies and brains may be able to maintain themselves without sleep.

Also, the Christians in New Jerusalem in the eternal state on the future, New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5) will still have free will. For God wants real children (Revelation 21:7), not robots. But because of their continued free will, it will be possible for Christians in New Jerusalem to sin. But they won't have to ever sin, just as Christians now don't have to ever sin (Romans 6:17-22).

If a Christian in the eternal state does commit a sin, what will happen to him will depend on what he does next. If he repents, he will be forgiven (1 John 1:9). If he refuses to repent, he will be chastened (Revelation 3:19). And if he still refuses to repent, he will end up in the lake of fire (Hebrews 10:26-27).

The lake of fire will exist on the New Earth outside one wall of New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:14-15, Revelation 21:8). A lot else will also exist on the New Earth. For a new race of humans will be created along with the New Earth, which race will fall into sin and mortality, although they will then normally die at advanced ages (Isaiah 65:17,20). Christians of the present earth could become like the angels of the New Earth in the sense they could minister to the elect members of the new race of humans, like how angels now minister to the elect humans on the present earth (Hebrews 1:14).

Note that Eve didn't lie in Genesis 3:3. For she was referring to what God had said in Genesis 2:17.

Note that his messengers will contradict the Bible (2 Timothy 4:2-4), which has not been done here.

That is, the devil's theology is to contradict God's Word with something which sounds better to humans, to deceive them into rejecting God's will (Genesis 3:1-6, Matthew 16:21-23; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3-4).

For example, God said: "thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:17). But the devil said: "Ye shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

1. Oseas said in post #307:
   And the woman answered: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the Garden (right): But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Not true, God did not said that, the woman did lie).
2. Satan as Bible2 said in post 310: - Note that Eve didn't lie in Genesis 3:3. For she was referring to what God had said in Genesis 2:17
3. No, Satan, you are a liar, Eve did fall in your trap and did lie in Gen.3:3. And she was NOT referring to what God had said in Gen. 2:17, you are saying this, Satan, you are lying again, as always, Satan. You are sowing of tares, Satan.
4. Gen. 2:9KJV - “And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow EVERY tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO (1) in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge (2) of good and evil.” God said to the man: Gen.2:16KJV) “Of EVERY tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat.” Now, the tree of Life was the main tree of the Garden among many many other trees, you did know of this, Satan. The main tree that was in the midst of the Garden was the tree of Life (Gen.2:9), of course. God would never say to the man to eat not of the tree of Life that was in the midst lof the Garden. In truth, because the woman did not keep what God said to the man, the woman did lie before Satan when she said (Gen.3:3): “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the MIDST of the garden, God hath said, “Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die”. What the woman said before you, Satan, it has nothing to do with what God said, neither has to do with the tree of Life, there is no death in the tree of Life. Again: God would never say to the man to eat not of the tree of Life. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was another tree AMONG EVERY trees that God had made to grow in the Garden, and it was not in the midst of the Garden ABSOLUTELY where was the tree of Life. Again: The tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the Garden among EVERY TREES, but not in the midst of the Garden as you said above, Satan, because in the MIDST of the Garden was placed exclusively the tree of Life. Who was the tree of Life? Who was the tree of knowledge of good and evil? By the way, There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. This is happening in this Christian forum with your presence here Satan, but you cannot hid yourself before the Light that is in the true believers in Christ JESUS. You are a sower of tares among the believers, Satan. Get behind us Satan. You, spirit of darkness, you will be cast into the bottomless pit, your own place, Satan.

 

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jgr said in post #313:

I'm saying that the enforcement originating in the 1229 Council of Toulouse, which prohibited Scriptural access by the masses, no longer exists.

That's great.

So can the RCC masses now teach Biblical doctrines which contradict RCC tradition (e.g. Matthew 23:9)?

jgr said in post #313:

Do you know any acknowledged Christian individuals or institutions who consider Christian Identity to be Christian?

They consider themselves to be Christian, just as Germany did during World War II and the Holocaust.

That's why we must stick with sola scriptura (2 Timothy 4:2-4), which shows that even non-Christian elect Jews are beloved by God (Romans 11:28), and that we must never hate nor harm anyone, even if we might consider it to be in self-defense (Matthew 5:43-44, Matthew 5:39).

jgr said in post #313:

Romans 11:17 describes an olive tree whose root is Christ, whose trunk is Christ, and whose branches, while Jewish, must be believers in Christ in order to not be broken off.

And the tree is still Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24). And they, as its natural branches, are broken off only when they don't believe in Jesus Christ (Romans 11:20) and His saving, New Covenant (Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24), Passover death on the Cross for our sins (1 Corinthians 5:7b, Matthew 26:28). Compare the Old Covenant cutting off of only some Israelites from Israel, if they failed to keep the Old Covenant Passover (Numbers 9:13).

jgr said in post #313:

How do you describe a tree whose one characteristic is Jewish, and whose other three characteristics are Christ?

It can be described as New Covenant Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), which Gentile Christians are grafted into from a different, wild olive tree (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

 

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Oseas said in post #314:

God would never say to the man to eat not of the tree of Life.

Note that God cast fallen Adam out of the garden precisely so that he wouldn't eat from the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).

Oseas said in post #314:

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was another tree AMONG EVERY trees that God had made to grow in the Garden, and it was not in the midst of the Garden . . .

Note that nothing, not even the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:9, requires that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't also in the midst of the garden.

For Eve's statement in Genesis 3:3 is in line with Genesis 2:17, as well as Genesis 3:11.

Oseas said in post #314:

You are a sower of tares among the believers, Satan. Get behind us Satan. You, spirit of darkness, you will be cast into the bottomless pit, your own place, Satan.

Note that simply calling someone Satan carries no weight (Matthew 10:25b). What matters is whether or not what someone is teaching is in line with the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

 

[Oseas]

Note that God cast fallen Adam out of the garden precisely so that he wouldn't eat from the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).

Note that nothing, not even the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:9, requires that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't also in the midst of the garden.

For Eve's statement in Genesis 3:3 is in line with Genesis 2:17, as well as Genesis 3:11.

Note that simply calling someone Satan carries no weight (Matthew 10:25b). What matters is whether or not what someone is teaching is in line with the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Please, pay attention you, all believers, and note how our Enemy Satan talks by his messengers, as he is doing through Bible2 in this Christian forum.

Oseas said in post #314 - God would never say to the man to eat not of the tree of Life.

Trying to contradict me, Satan did write to me saying:
>>>“Note that God cast fallen Adam out of the garden precisely so that he wouldn't eat from the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24).<<<

Please, pay attention, you all believers. What Satan is saying through Bible2 is not true, evidently. Note how Satan twists the Word of God to deceive the people. Adam WAS NOT CAST OUT of the Garden of the Lord because he did not eat from the tree of life, as said Satan above, but because HE DID EAT from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God ssked to Adam: Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. (Gen.3:11-13) Adam was cast out of Eden because he disobeyed God and did fall in your trap, Satan, and not because he did not eat from the tree of life, as you said above, Satan. I tell unto you, Satan in Bible2, that you were CURSED and are CURSED by the Most High and Almighty God since the beginning, and you will be cast into the bottomless pit. Now, now, the tree of knowledge of GOOD is the only One, JESUS, the tree of knowledge of EVIL is the old serpent, the Devil and Satan. JESUS left very clear: “Every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. The Apostle Paul warned: “Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of DEVILS: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of DEMONS. The expressed messages of Satan, whose devilish spirit is manifesting himself here through Bible2, trying to darken the environment of this Christianforum and turn off the light of my messages, they are a devil's cup.

Oseas said in post #314:
The tree of knowledge of good and evil was another tree AMONG EVERY trees that God had made to grow in the Garden, and it was not in the midst of the Garden . . .

Satan replied saying to me:>>>Note that nothing, not even the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:9, requires that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't also in the midst of the garden.<<<

So the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:9 confirms what I wrote above, The tree of knowledge of good and evil was another tree AMONG EVERY trees that God had made to grow in the Garden, and it was not in the midst of the Garden. The main tree that was in the midst of the Garden, was the tree of Life (Gen.2:9), exclusively.


Satan replied saying to me:
>>> For Eve's statement in Genesis 3:3 is in line with Genesis 2:17, as well as Genesis 3:11.<<<

No, Satan, you are a liar. You are lying, as always. What the woman said was not what God said, in absolute Satan: God said to the man: Gen.2:16 – Of EVERY tree of the garden (the tree of Life IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN included, evidently) thou mayest freely eat. The woman said to you Satan: Gen.3:3 - Of the fruit of the tree which is IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. The woman did not say what God said. And you, Satan, said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die”Gen.3:4). The woman did fall in your trap, Satan, and you beguiled Eve through your subtilty. Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. The fruit of this EVIL tree (who is you SATAN) was the only exception. Oseas said in post #314:
You are a sower of tares among the believers, Satan. Get behind us Satan. You, spirit of darkness, you will be cast into the bottomless pit, your own place, Satan.

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   Satan replied saying to me:>>>Note that simply calling someone Satan carries no weight (Matthew 10:25b). What matters is whether or not what someone is teaching is in line with the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

The fight is not against flesh and blood, but against your devilish spirit in the Bible2, Satan, by whom you are manifesting your ownself in this Christianforum. You have nothing to do with the Word of God, Satan. Go down to the abyss, your own place, Satan.

 

[jgr]

That's great.

So can the RCC masses now teach Biblical doctrines which contradict RCC tradition (e.g. Matthew 23:9)?

Yes.

Before the Reformation, they were exterminated (among the 50 million), which was bad.

Now after the Reformation, they are only excommunicated, which is good.

 

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Oseas said in post #317:

Adam WAS NOT CAST OUT of the Garden of the Lord because he did not eat from the tree of life . . .

That's right.

Note that it wasn't said that he was.

Oseas said in post #317:

God ssked to Adam: Who told thee that thou wast naked?

That's right (Genesis 3:11a).

And yet even before Adam's fall into sin, wouldn't Adam have seen God wearing clothes whenever God walked in the garden with him (Genesis 3:8a)? And so how could Adam not have known, by contrast, that he was naked? It could be that before his fall into sin, Adam saw no problem with his nakedness (Genesis 2:25), like how a very young child running around in his back yard naked can have no problem with his nakedness, even though he can see his parents wearing clothes at the same time. But after Adam's fall into sin, he became ashamed of his nakedness (Genesis 3:7,10).

Oseas said in post #317:

Adam was cast out of Eden because he disobeyed God . . .

That's right.

He ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in the midst of the garden (Genesis 3:3, Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:11).

Oseas said in post #317:

I tell unto you, Satan in Bible2, that you were CURSED and are CURSED by the Most High and Almighty God since the beginning . . .

Note that Satan is not in Bible2+, and that Satan was not cursed from the beginning.

That is, Satan, who is a literal, 7-headed, red, serpentine dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), also called Leviathan (Isaiah 27:1, Psalms 74:14, Job 41:1,34), could have begun his existence as a dinosaur born some 66 million years ago, near the end the age of the dinosaurs. Over millions of years before his birth, his dinosaur species could have evolved (or been miraculously granted by God) to have consciousness as we know it. And his 7-headedness, which could have been a fortuitous (or a miraculous) mutation, could have been heralded by his species as the arrival of a super-consciousness into the world. As he grew up as a conscious dinosaur, Leviathan could have come to know and worship God with all his heart. God could have then granted him immortality and taken him into heaven to serve God as a cherub. Cherubim are a type of angelic being (Ezekiel 10) which could include individuals shaped like different animals, like how seraphim are a different type of angelic being (Isaiah 6:2-3) which includes individuals shaped like different animals (Revelation 4:7-8). As a cherub in heaven, Leviathan could have been assigned to the office of "the morning star", and so been given the name "Lucifer", which means "the morning star".

After spending some 66 million years in heaven as a very contented cherub, perhaps even as one of the greatest angelic beings in heaven, Lucifer could have been assigned by God to go to the earth to be a "covering cherub" over the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-14), to watch over that special, local garden and its special, individual humans named Adam and Eve miraculously created by God only some 6,000 years ago. God could have also at that time given the as-yet-unfallen Lucifer authority over all the rest of the earth (cf. Luke 4:5-6). But Lucifer could have chafed at his new assignment, seeing it as wholly beneath his dignity. He could have felt like a long-time chief of staff of a U.S. President would feel if he were suddenly assigned by the President to leave his high position in the White House to go baby-sit 2 pet salamanders in a hothouse in Alaska.

From Eden, Lucifer could have repeatedly requested God to let him return to his high position in heaven, only to be refused, until Lucifer in his heart fell into rebellion against God, and vowed to himself that eventually he would ascend back into heaven and take rule over all the angelic beings there, regardless of what God wanted (Isaiah 14:13-14). And so the fallen Lucifer became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18), which means the "Adversary". While still in Eden, as possibly his first act of open rebellion against God, Satan decided to deceive Eve into disobeying God (Genesis 3), knowing that this would result in her (and her offspring) becoming mortal (Genesis 2:17). In the future, Satan will deceive the world (Revelation 12:9) into worshipping himself and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-8), knowing that this will result in billions of people ending up in eternal suffering (Revelation 14:9-11), the same eternal suffering which he knows that he himself will end up in (Revelation 12:12c, Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46).

Lucifer will deceive the world into worshipping him after he loses a war in heaven at the midpoint of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, and is cast down to the earth permanently (Revelation 12:7 to 13:4). But instead of coming down looking defeated, he could descend to the earth in a magnificent, gigantic golden spaceship for all the world to see. The world could see him as an alien, but he could slither forth from his spaceship and say something like: "Greetings! Be not alarmed. I assure you I am no alien, but a fellow earthling, born and raised on this planet millions of years ago. I've come to help you through this terrible tribulation you're experiencing, and to show you how you might eventually return with me back into a much better, higher realm of existence wholly beyond this evil, material universe".

He could then foist upon the world an updated version of an ancient Gnostic lie: "Listen, my fellow earthlings! None of us belong here. We didn't start out here, but all started out as wholly-spiritual beings, even wholly-divine beings, residing in utter bliss from all eternity in the Pleroma, what you would call Heaven, the higher realm which I will eventually take you back to. During the endless ages of our past existence in the Pleroma, we were not averse to partaking in a great variety of different entertainments. So when YHWH, who was one of us, yet of greater consciousness than any one of us, announced he had devised a marvelous new form of entertainment, we were ready to give it a try.

"YHWH said he had created a physical universe (this one), which to us was like what you would call a virtual reality, like the ones you create using computers. And he said we could enter this universe and interact with all of its amazing physical life-forms and objects by temporarily taking upon ourselves physical bodies, which to us was the equivalent of what you would call a virtual-reality headset, gloves, etc., which some of you wear on your bodies when you want to wholly immerse yourselves in the virtual realities you create with computers.

"But then YHWH proposed another aspect to his entertainment which we all most foolishly accepted. He said in order to increase the intensity of our experience in his universe, he would use his greater consciousness to hypnotize each of ours, so while we were in his universe each of us would think all we were were physical entities within his material universe; we would completely forget we were actually wholly-divine beings, and had been from all eternity, dwelling in bliss in the Pleroma.

"When one of us asked YHWH: 'But what if we don't like our experience in your universe and want to exit it and return here to the Pleroma, how could we ever notify you of our wishes when under your hypnotic spell we will have no knowledge of that option?' YHWH answered in a very assuring manner that he would be able to instantly extricate any one of us whom he saw wasn't enjoying his new entertainment. We all believed him, because he hadn't yet shown his true nature to anyone. We had no idea that in his heart he was actually an evil, cruel tyrant who all along had been planning to imprison, enslave, and torture all of us within his diabolical device (this physical universe).

"But during my great sufferings in YHWH's physical realm, and the great struggles of my consciousness, my spirit, to find a way of escaping it, my spirit eventually grew in power to be equal to YHWH's, and so I was able to break myself free from his hypnotic spell, and regain all of my divine power. I can show you the way to do the same thing, but you must be willing to join with me now with all of your own consciousnesses, your own spirits. You must be willing to love and worship me now completely, so that the power of all of your spirits might become joined with the power of my own, greater spirit, and eventually break completely free from YHWH's hypnotic spell. Then you will regain all of your own, divine power, like I did, and together we will defeat YHWH, and we will escape this vile, material universe, and ascend back to the Pleroma and to our bliss as gods, doing what we please, forever".

The world will actually believe this lie (or something similar to it), for it will be accompanied by the most amazing miracles (e.g. Revelation 13:13) performed by the power of Lucifer/Satan himself (2 Thessalonians 2:9), and because it will be accompanied by a strong delusion sent by YHWH God on the unrepentant world (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12). But the world will worship Lucifer (and his human son the Antichrist) for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:4-18, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3). Jesus will then set up his own, 1,000-year, physical kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

 

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jgr said in post #318:

Now after the Reformation, they are only excommunicated, which is good.

Note that it is not good for someone who wants to remain in the RCC. For RCC tradition says that to be excommunicated is to be damned eternally, for it keeps someone from Communion, which is required for eternal life (John 6:53-57).