Why Believers have the Law of Moses written on the heart under New Covenant

[BobRyan]

Examples of commandments of God - in the LAW of Moses

1. Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
2. Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18
3. Love Me and Keep my Commandments - Exodus 20:6
4. Do not take God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7


New Covenant -
Jeremiah 31:31-33
"THIS IS the New Covenant I will make... I will write My LAW on their heart and mind"

New Testament
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"this IS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[BobRyan]

Ephesians 6:2 for example is the perfect NT text showing full affirmation of the TEN commandments.



===================== already pointed this out - this way

God's TEN Commandments are included in what the Bible calls the "Commandments of God"

(So then they are not the only parts of the OT that are included as the "Commandments of God" - but they are one of the laws included)

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KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

It's not the Law of Moses that is written on a believers heart, it's the law of God i.e. the Law of Love (Romans 13:8-10), that is, the royal law (James 2:8), otherwise known as the law of liberty or perfect law (James 1:25). Jesus died to release the Israelites from the covenant which included the law so that they could serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 7:6 -- But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.​

Only the Israelite people were ever bound by covenant to keep "the law", everyone else is called to follow the way of love; one law -- love (Galatians 5:14).

 

[klutedavid]

Ephesians 6:2 for example is the perfect NT text showing full affirmation of the TEN commandments.



===================== already pointed this out - this way

God's TEN Commandments are included in what the Bible calls the "Commandments of God"

(So then they are not the only parts of the OT that are included as the "Commandments of God" - but they are one of the laws included)

=============================

KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

The teaching of Christ: Commandment of God = Word of God = "Moses said" in the case of the TEN Commandments.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Matt 19 "if you would have eternal life KEEP the Commandments... Which ones?.." then comes Christ list FROM the Ten Commandments.

Romans 7 - quoting the Commandments - from the TEN
Romans 13 - from the TEN
James 2 - from the TEN.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Rom 7 Sin defined by the LAW
7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Rom 4 - where there is no Law there is no sin.

Rom 3:19-20
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.


And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

Hello Bob.

What would you do without me.

1 John 3:4

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

This verse does not say that sin is transgression of the ten commandments. This verse says that sin is transgression of the law. Big difference between the commandments and the law, the ten commandments are just part of the law.

I think we agree that you have made a mistake.

The paragraph you quoted from James 2:8-12, is talking about the sin of partiality.

Not sure how you are reading the verses above?

 

[HARK!]

“Word of God” Mark 7:13

(CLV) Ex 34:28
And he came to be there beforen Yahweh, forty days and forty nights. Bread he did not eat, and water he did not drink. Thus he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten words.

In the beginning was the word...

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Examples of commandments of God - in the LAW of Moses

1. Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
2. Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18
3. Love Me and Keep my Commandments - Exodus 20:6
4. Do not take God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7


New Covenant -
Jeremiah 31:31-33
"THIS IS the New Covenant I will make... I will write My LAW on their heart and mind"

New Testament
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"this IS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I don’t understand such fascination with the Law.....Paul referred to it as “an impossible system”.....Peter said he nor his fathers could keep it....Jesus added to it and set the standard so high (if you lust in your heart ,you are an adulterer)...nobody can be justified by it.The Law, properly applied,should show us that we are sinners who need a Savior....if one has realized that, he then has the Holy Spirit to lead and guide him.....the Law has done its job...I see no reason to celebrate it as if it was the way to Heaven...let’s concentrate on Grace.......that which truly saves us

 

[Devin P]

It's not the Law of Moses that is written on a believers heart, it's the law of God i.e. the Law of Love (Romans 13:8-10), that is, the royal law (James 2:8), otherwise known as the law of liberty or perfect law (James 1:25). Jesus died to release the Jews from the covenant which included the law so that they could serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the old way of the written code.

The law of Moses, is the law of God. Did Moses create the law? Did Moses create it? No. God told Moses the law, and Moses gave it to the unbelieving people of Israel.

Romans 7:6 -- But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.​

Only the Jewish people were ever bound by covenant to keep "the law", everyone else is called to follow the way of love; one law -- love (Galatians 5:14).

If you read the rest of Romans 7, it shows us that Paul desires to keep the law of God, and with his mind and will desires to, but his flesh still sins, and then in chapter 8, he shows us that though we will fail when we try to keep God's law, we have a savior for when and where we fall short.

Also, the law wasn't given to and only expected to be followed by Jews. That's a very common misconception. Jews are only a 12th of the people the law was given to. Jews come from the 12 tribes of Israel. Their specific tribe, is the tribe of Judah. Hence the name Jews - Jew - Judah.

The law was given to all of spiritual Israel, and all throughout the bible Israel is compared to an olive tree. Of that said olive tree, gentiles become when they place their faith on Jesus, seeing as He is the root of that olive tree.

 

[Devin P]

Buckle up. You're gonna have a fun time xD

But I agree 100%. I'm pressed for time, and am about to go downstairs since someone just got home, but a great verse for this to bring up too (and I'm not sure if you already brought it up or not) is Ezekiel 36:26-27

Ezekiel 36:26-27

26: And I shall give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I shall give you a heart of flesh.
27: and put My Ruah (hebrew for spirit) within you. And I shall cause you to walk in My Laws and guard My Right-Rulings and you shall do them.

I've got a Halleluyah Scriptures version bible, which is word for word translation just as the KJV is, but a lot of the words that are rooted back to paganism such as angel or holy are replaced with what the word is originally in the original hebrew and greek manuscripts. So that's what the seemingly weird words are. Regardless, in those verses we see that the change we're all supposed to go through when our hearts are softened, and when His Ruah (spirit) lives in us, is to desire to keep and obey His Torah (because hebraically, "law" is the hebraic word "torah")

 

[HARK!]

I don’t understand such fascination with the Law.....Paul referred to it as “an impossible system”

(CLV) Acts 24:14 (Paul speaking)

Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets

 

[HARK!]

Peter said he nor his fathers could keep it

1 Timothy

" 8 Now we are aware that the law is ideal if ever anyone is using it lawfully, 9 being aware of this, that law is not laid down for the just, yet it is for the lawless and insubordinate, the irreverent and sinners, the malign and profane, thrashers of fathers and thrashers of mothers, homicides, 10 paramours, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and if any other thing is opposing sound teaching, 11 in accord with the evangel of the glory of the happy God, with which I was entrusted."


19 1Now Joseph, her husband, being just and not willing to hold her up to infamy, intended covertly to dismiss her.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

The law of Moses, is the law of God. Did Moses create the law? Did Moses create it? No. God told Moses the law, and Moses gave it to the unbelieving people of Israel.


If you read the rest of Romans 7, it shows us that Paul desires to keep the law of God, and with his mind and will desires to, but his flesh still sins, and then in chapter 8, he shows us that though we will fail when we try to keep God's law, we have a savior for when and where we fall short.

Also, the law wasn't given to and only expected to be followed by Jews. That's a very common misconception. Jews are only a 12th of the people the law was given to. Jews come from the 12 tribes of Israel. Their specific tribe, is the tribe of Judah. Hence the name Jews - Jew - Judah.

The law was given to all of spiritual Israel, and all throughout the bible Israel is compared to an olive tree. Of that said olive tree, gentiles become when they place their faith on Jesus, seeing as He is the root of that olive tree.

God created the law for Moses/Israelites. Not for all mankind. That's the difference to be highlighted. Yes, I have read Romans 7 many times, and the last half is from the perspective of Saul, not Paul. I didn't know that about the Jews, thanks for that, I should say, Israelites (I changed it in my post). A new law was given to all of spiritual Israel. A better covenant with a better law.

 

[HARK!]

God created the law for Moses/Israelites. Not for all mankind.

(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers~ of LAWLESSNESS!'
(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing LAWLESSNESS

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

(CLV) Acts 24:14 (Paul speaking)

Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets

Am I the only who can make no sense of this?Please make your points clearly for simple folks like me

 

[HARK!]

I've got a Halleluyah Scriptures version bible

I've seen the Halleluyah Scriptures version; but I've only seen it in book form. Is there on online, or downloadable, version?

 

[HARK!]

Am I the only who can make no sense of this?Please make your points clearly for simple folks like me

Simply stated, he's saying that he believes all that is written in the law. Contrary to opinion, Yahshua (Jesus) didn't demolish the law.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish THE LAW or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Simply stated, he's saying that he believes all that is written in the law. Contrary to opinion, Yahshua (Jesus) didn't demolish the law.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish THE LAW or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

Are we saved by keeping the law? A simple yes or no will suffice....thank you

 

[YouAreAwesome]

(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers~ of LAWLESSNESS!'
(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing LAWLESSNESS

One law is not a "lawless" system The law of love, is still a "law" -- trust God and love people; pretty cool huh?

 

[BobRyan]

It's not the Law of Moses that is written on a believers heart, it's the law of God

Jesus said they are the same thing in Mark 7.

Paul says all scripture is from God -- 2 Tim 3:16


Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye

Bible details matter.

 

[BobRyan]

God created the law for Moses/Israelites. Not for all mankind.

Until you read the actual Bible in places like Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

 

[HARK!]

Are we saved by keeping the law? A simple yes or no will suffice....thank you

The more appropriate question is "do you believe that you will find salvation through practicing lawlessness?"