The firmament of Genesis 1 assumes flat earth

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The firmament of Genesis 1 describes a flat earth having a bowl shaped firmament resting on it, and holding up water above. The firmament creates a safe livable zone of air for us to live in. The sun, moon, and stars are inside.

Why do I never hear people mention the flat earth assumption of Genesis 1?
 

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The firmament of Genesis 1 describes a flat earth having a bowl shaped firmament resting on it, and holding up water above. The firmament creates a safe livable zone of air for us to live in. The sun, moon, and stars are inside.

Why do I never hear people mention the flat earth assumption of Genesis 1?
Because my head is round ... probably.
 
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The firmament of Genesis 1 describes a flat earth having a bowl shaped firmament resting on it, and holding up water above. The firmament creates a safe livable zone of air for us to live in. The sun, moon, and stars are inside.

Why do I never hear people mention the flat earth assumption of Genesis 1?


Good grief---there have been countless threads on here by flat earthers. Ever look up at the moon---how flat is that? Ever look at the sun, the other planets---telescopes are available. Not a flat one in sight. Don't confuse "bible speak" with actual information.
 
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Genesis 1:1 Lexicon: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

One needs to study beyond the English to have full truth. Just like the part you quoted of "And GOD said, "Let there be light"... that isn't what the original gives us... And GOD said, "LIGHT!" ....

I find nothing that implies a flat earth. But I do find evidence for it just the way it is: GOD not only created science and the laws of science, but He created according to them.... everything even modern day science "finds out" is just like God said.
 
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Chronologically,

The bible disproved heliocentrism.

Genesis states the sun and the moon were created on the 4th day and placed in the firmament.

The firmament being created (separator of the waters below and above) on the 2nd day. Genesis 1:7


And the land appearing on the 3rd day. Genesis 1:9

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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Heliocentrism relies on the sun being formed first:

"Approximately 4.6 billion years ago, the solar system was a cloud of dust and gas known as a solar nebula. Gravity collapsed the material in on itself as it began to spin, forming the sun in the center of the nebula.

With the rise of the sun, the remaining material began to clump up. Small particles drew together, bound by the force of gravity, into larger particles. The solar wind swept away lighter elements, such as hydrogen and helium, from the closer regions, leaving only heavy, rocky materials to create smaller terrestrial worlds like Earth. But farther away, the solar winds had less impact on lighter elements, allowing them to coalesce into gas giants. In this way, asteroids, comets, planets, and moons were created."

How Was Earth Formed?

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Also the earth's dating relies on:

"So far scientists have not found a way to determine the exact age of the Earth directly from Earth rocks because Earth's oldest rocks have been recycled and destroyed by the process of plate tectonics. If there are any of Earth's primordial rocks left in their original state, they have not yet been found. Nevertheless, scientists have been able to determine the probable age of the Solar System and to calculate an age for the Earth by assuming that the Earth and the rest of the solid bodies in the Solar System formed at the same time and are, therefore, of the same age. "

Geologic Time: Age of the Earth


What is the pretence in the above?

Is it a solar system? (heliocentricm)
 
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And then you have evolution of inorganic matter to the first living organism from the primordial soup theory, or panspermia (life originated elsewhere in the universe taking a ride on a comet).

Primordial soup relying on the chaotic geology (inc the assumption of the dating of the earth) of the earth's formation in the heliocentric model (solar system).

and panspermia relying on the geology of comets in a heliocentric model from other solar systems.
 
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It is a lovely image similar to that which was in my primary school KJV. Today I have the feeling that my faith is informed by holy scripture, however my cosmology might be further informed by science. I am not in that suggesting that science should inform my faith.
 
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It is a lovely image similar to that which was in my primary school KJV. Today I have the feeling that my faith is informed by holy scripture, however my cosmology might be further informed by science. I am not in that suggesting that science should inform my faith.
The truth of that vision of the cosmos is phenomenological, and is based in our actual sensory experience of the shape of our world. This is the world as we experience it at the most fundamental and basic level.
Dig into the earth, and the waters below well up. And sometimes, the firmament does not hold the water back, and it falls down as rain.
Within the limits of unaided human experience, this is a true depiction of the world and the cosmos.
As knowledge expands through extending our senses through technology, a different perspective paints a different picture. This does not make the original picture painted by the Bible as any less true, as long as the correct context is given.
Technology has expanded our ability to sense the shape of the world exponentially, and in ways that it is almost impossible for any of us to even visualize. Cosmologists tell us for example, that the entire universe is incredibly flat. It is really hard for me at least to visualize that in my minds eye.
And, while I can mathematically understand how a fifth dimension may be possible in the multi-dimensional universe or universes of modern scientific theory, there is no way that my human senses, evolved for survival in four dimensions only, will be able to paint a mental picture of that kind of world.
It is a lovely image similar to that which was in my primary school KJV. Today I have the feeling that my faith is informed by holy scripture, however my cosmology might be further informed by science. I am not in that suggesting that science should inform my faith.
The Bible tells us that God created the world, all things seen and unseen. It ought not surprise us therefore that as we stretch our senses every further into the vastness of this world, the limits of the creation become ever more limitless with every new discovery.
 
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The firmament of Genesis 1 describes a flat earth having a bowl shaped firmament resting on it, and holding up water above. The firmament creates a safe livable zone of air for us to live in. The sun, moon, and stars are inside.

Why do I never hear people mention the flat earth assumption of Genesis 1?
The earth is not flat....I've seen pictures.

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Therefore, Genesis is obviously speaking of atmosphere using a very ancient paleo Hebrew alphabet.
 
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You include evolution in that?

Since when did modern science prove evolution? ;) No, I am speaking about truth.
I believe it was Darwin himself that said his whole concept would fail if at any time in the future science found any element of the process needing another element at the same time to evolve... contingent upon another element and unable to "evolve" without it.

Also, science has proven that we are not "evolving" but 'devolving'... things deteriorate, even in our short lifetime--not even in millions of years--but short time...
 
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The earth is not flat....I've seen pictures.

Therefore, Genesis is obviously speaking of atmosphere using a very ancient paleo Hebrew alphabet.

I've seen pictures too. I have a whole flock of these things...

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