Clinton campaign, DNC helped fund dossier research

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So the "Republican Candidate" was actually a conservative newspaper, and the "funded the dossier" was actually funding opposition research that was eventually used to form the dossier?

I'm curious the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.
 
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I'm curious the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.

Funding research into digging up a candidate's dirty laundry during a campaign is quite different from fabricating a dossier that allegedly ties your opponent to a foreign power. The Senate Republicans are already digging into the possibility that the dossier was used to get the FISA warrents, etc. If that is the case, then it could spell big problems for the DNC, the Clintons, and the previous administration.
 
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Considering that most of it is impossible to verify, and much of it is just... stupid? Yeah, I'd call it fabricated.

Given Trump, stupid is hardly an indication that something didn't happen.

Getting back to the point, though, I'm curious about the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.
 
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Given Trump, stupid is hardly an indication that something didn't happen.

Getting back to the point, though, I'm curious about the distinction you're trying to draw between "funding the dossier" and "funding research which eventually became the dossier". Seems like an incredibly fine hair to split to prove, well, whatever it is supposed to show about the validity of the research.

Because one is just random 'news' you can publish in a rag, while the other has a much bigger potential to blow up, either in the target's face or yours. In this case, Gowdy, etc. are already looking into if the Obama administration used the dossier to get warrants. If they did, and Clinton and the DNC paid to have this thing made, it suddenly goes from simple opposition research and into possible criminal conspiracy territory. Comey and the Obama administration will have to prove that they weren't aware of its origin, and even then HRC and the DNC may still be in hot water.
 
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Because one is just random 'news' you can publish in a rag, while the other has a much bigger potential to blow up, either in the target's face or yours. In this case, Gowdy, etc. are already looking into if the Obama administration used the dossier to get warrants. If they did, and Clinton and the DNC paid to have this thing made, it suddenly goes from simple opposition research and into possible criminal conspiracy territory.

I'm still not seeing why you're leaving out the Republican funding of part of the research. Seems incredibly selective.

Comey and the Obama administration will have to prove that they weren't aware of its origin, and even then HRC and the DNC may still be in hot water.

For what?
 
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I'm still not seeing why you're leaving out the Republican funding of part of the research. Seems incredibly selective.

It wasn't "Republican" as in a candidate. It was a news rag that favors Republicans. There was no primary contender who paid for it.

For what?

Willful misrepresentation of campaign expenditures. They listed it as legal expenditures.
 
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It wasn't "Republican" as in a candidate. It was a news rag that favors Republicans. There was no primary contender who paid for it.

So?

Willful misrepresentation of campaign expenditures. They listed it as legal expenditures.

If that's true - and you suddenly seem very ready to accept anonymous sources saying that it is - then hopefully the people involved face the appropriate punishment.

But none of that changes the truth, if any, of the claims in the report.
 
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That's what the claim was since nearly the beginning.

If that's true - and you suddenly seem very ready to accept anonymous sources saying that it is - then hopefully the people involved face the appropriate punishment.

But none of that changes the truth, if any, of the claims in the report.

You really think Trump paid hookers to pee on a bed and ran into the bathroom to say he hated black people?
 
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That's what the claim was since nearly the beginning.

I was questioning why that makes any difference at all to anything? Seems like yet another attempt to avoid looking at the truth about the contents of the dossier.

You really think Trump paid hookers to pee on a bed and ran into the bathroom to say he hated black people?

Honestly - given the crazy stuff we know he's said and done it wouldn't surprise me. I'd quote some of them here but it would be against the rules.
 
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I was questioning why that makes any difference at all to anything? Seems like yet another attempt to avoid looking at the truth about the contents of the dossier.

Most of the contents are impossible to verify, Steele even admitted to that. He got enough wrong, however, for Buzzfeed to get sued for defamation/libel.

Honestly - given the crazy stuff we know he's said and done it wouldn't surprise me. I'd quote some of them here but it would be against the rules.

That thing read like something 4Chan would write up.
 
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Most of the contents are impossible to verify, Steele even admitted to that. He got enough wrong, however, for Buzzfeed to get sued for defamation/libel.

Which has nothing to do with who paid for it. For some reason it seems really hard to get a straight answer on what that was suddenly so important right as news broke that 3 people working in Trump's campaign were arrested.

That thing read like something 4Chan would write up.
So does this : All Donald Trump's creepiest comments about his daughter Ivanka, but that doesn't stop it from being real.
 
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Wonder where that's at now?

This narrative of Clinton-paid-for fabricated-dossier doesn't make much sense in an era of guilty pleas. They've moved on to "It's just like lying to the FBI about what you had for breakfast. No big deal."
 
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This narrative of Clinton-paid-for fabricated-dossier doesn't make much sense in an era of guilty pleas. They've moved on to "It's just like lying to the FBI about what you had for breakfast. No big deal."
A valid point. However, if the campaign sought after dossier is what Mueller is using and interrogating based on said dossier, then there is a huge problem.

Unless of course the FBI was able to collect on the suspects based on the dossier.

Again a problem, due to the fact a political campaign paid for opo research which colluded with Russian agents via a foreign spy retained by a law firm thru Fusion GPS.

Then said dossier ends up in the hands of the Fed.gov

Thus we have team Clinton and the DNC colluding with the federal government to influence the election. York lays this out in the article I linked.

As to your point. Flynn did a plea bargain based on lying about his transition team contact with the Russian ambassador. If he was honest up front there would be no issues given said contact was not illegal. Even Leon Panetta opined that if Mueller was pushing Logan Act it would be quite a stretch.

Recent reports have Mueller and his team threatening going after Flynns son. Flynn having to sell his house to pay legal fees and the dude is broke. So he pops a plea.

Michael Flynn to sell his house to offset legal costs: Report

All very interesting.
 
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Which has nothing to do with who paid for it. For some reason it seems really hard to get a straight answer on what that was suddenly so important right as news broke that 3 people working in Trump's campaign were arrested.


So does this : All Donald Trump's creepiest comments about his daughter Ivanka, but that doesn't stop it from being real.

Who paid for it, is important, because it creates motivation for those putting the dossier together, to please those flipping the bill.
 
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A valid point. However, if the campaign sought after dossier is what Mueller is using and interrogating based on said dossier, then there is a huge problem.

That's a big if, since the Trump-Russia connection had been swirling about in the air for months before the document became public or the Mueller probe was even created.

Again a problem, due to the fact a political campaign paid for opo research which colluded with Russian agents via a foreign spy

Hahaha.
 
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A valid point. However, if the campaign sought after dossier is what Mueller is using and interrogating based on said dossier, then there is a huge problem.

If what's in the dossier is accurate I don't see the issue.

Again a problem, due to the fact a political campaign paid for opo research which colluded with Russian agents via a foreign spy retained by a law firm thru Fusion GPS.

Russian agents? Where are you getting this stuff from? And in any case, it isn't illegal for newspapers to use foreigners as sources for their investigations.

Then said dossier ends up in the hands of the Fed.gov

Leave GOP senator John McCain alone - he's going through enough right now.

As to your point. Flynn did a plea bargain based on lying about his transition team contact with the Russian ambassador.

Plus all his lying on other matters. And then continued working with people linked to Russian intelligence even after agreeing to the deal with Mueller. Kinda hard to have much sympathy for him.
 
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