Were they born around the same time?
First of all, I reject the whole idea of a serpent seed. This is a teaching whose roots are founded first in racism.Were they born around the same time?
That doesn't have to mean the Lord caused the conception... it means God is the giver of life and she was recognizing that. I consider my children gifts from the Lord and could say the Lord gave them to me and be accurate....she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (Gen 4:1)
she never said that she got the seed from Adam.
And the peshat (plain reading) of the text disagrees with it.First of all, I reject the whole idea of a serpent seed. This is a teaching whose roots are founded first in racism.
And in John 8:44, Our Lord called a certain group of Pharisees "sons of the devil." They were claiming to be "sons of God." He was not meaning that the evil one physically begat them; rather that their deeds were from hasatan. Similarly, they did not claim physical divine heritage; rather that they were doing the deeds of God the Father.Cain was said to be "of the wicked one". 1 John 3:12
And the peshat (plain reading) of the text disagrees with it.
Gen 4.1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain,
That plainly says Cain was Adam's offspring.
I wanted to address that specific point. I read it as an attempt to refute your point in #7:I am thinking you did not mean to quote me? I mean, we agree here and all.
I want to add this... Apparently, when Eve first saw her baby, Cain, she may have...she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (Gen 4:1)
she never said that she got the seed from Adam.
Even the peshat view can mean the Lord gave life, not that Eve conceived as Mary did. But this is getting into details I don't think either of us is all that concerned with here. The idea of a sepent's seed is an old racist argument... and racist not just meaning white and white but Jew and non-Jew as I have seen some try to teach that the Jews are the serpent seed. If Cain came first from Eve and he was the seed of satan, then Eve is defiled and how then can Messiah come from her line? And we still have the twins issue... the Hebrew does give cause to believe that Cain and Abel were twins.I wanted to address that specific point. I read it as an attempt to refute your point in #7:
That doesn't have to mean the Lord caused the conception.
Curiously enough, most of the punishments to Eve seemed to have some relation to pregnancy or childbirth. Why? Just bouncing thoughts on this...Even the peshat view can mean the Lord gave life, not that Eve conceived as Mary did. But this is getting into details I don't think either of us is all that concerned with here. The idea of a sepent's seed is an old racist argument... and racist not just meaning white and white but Jew and non-Jew as I have seen some try to teach that the Jews are the serpent seed. If Cain came first from Eve and he was the seed of satan, then Eve is defiled and how then can Messiah come from her line? And we still have the twins issue... the Hebrew does give cause to believe that Cain and Abel were twins.
Shalom.
Ken
Again, when my wife gave birth to our first child, I viewed the act as a gift from the Lord. But that doesn't mean the Lord caused her to conceive (as in the way Mary did) and yet I am using the same wording. Respectfully, I think you are forcing one meaning on that phrase when it doesn't have to mean just one thing.I want to add this... Apparently, when Eve first saw her baby, Cain, she may have
assumed she had gotten him from somewhere else besides Adam otherwise why say it was from the "Lord".. According to the New Jerusalem Translation the verse translated from Hebrew little differently...
...I have gotten a man from an angel of the LORD.
At that time, there were two groups of evil and the good angels... Besides the laws of God forbid cross breeding..
The word is from yad - "hand." so it is the sense that your hand knows something to do by rote.But look further because the word "knew" in Hebrew does have the meaning of "to have sex
with" but this word could also mean something else. The word knew actually comes from two Hebrew words: yada and eth. The word yada not only means to "have carnal sex with," but also "to recognize," "discern," or "acknowledge."
Her first punishment was death (ok, many hundreds of years later ) but the punishment of being redeemed through childbirth is also a blessing in that it is a promise that messiah would come from her travail... albeit 4000 years later.Curiously enough, most of the punishments to Eve seemed to have some relation to pregnancy or childbirth. Why? Just bouncing thoughts on this...