When does the kingdom come

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Hi Wilts,

When Jesus said `the kingdom is at hand` the word kingdom means `rule.` As you said He is the king and He was there to rule. And as you also said He is the Messianic (Davidic) king and He will reign over Israel as God has said. `The Lord God (the Father) will give Him the throne of His father David.`

Then we know that the 12 disciples will be given rulership over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)
So I don`t see the Body of Christ mentioned there. Marilyn.

You said:>>> Then we know that the 12 disciples will be given rulership over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)<<<

Matt.19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Two thousand years ago, JESUS said these words to His disciples, in response the question of Peter saying: Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

By the Spirit of Christ JESUS, our Lord, we can discern not only the power will give to the twelve Apostles to judge the twelve tribes of Israel, and also the time of this wonderful hapenning, that is “in the time of regeneration”, it because this is the exact time when JESUS sits on the throne of His glory and all nations will be Judged. I must reveal here that this time of regeneration cited by our Lord, is also the time of restoration or restitution of all things, as is written in Acts.3:19-21:
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he (God) shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
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Whom the heaven must receive (to remain) until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


JESUS said: Matt. 25:31-34&41
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered ALL nations (Israel include):
and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (his messengers: 2Cor.11:13-15):


When JESUS was received in heaven after His resurrection (the 3rd? Or heaven of the heavens?) He sat at the right hand of God Father, but now, even now, in this first century of the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, and the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millennium of Vengeance, the Last Millennium or Last Day, and the 3rd Day from the first coming of JESUS, I repeat, He is sat on His throne of Glory, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, this happening or event, though JESUS be invisible yet, it is already fulfilling and will fulfil be fulfiled LITERALLY in the days to come, in the days ahead, day after day.

So, 1Thes. 5:16-24
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Two thousand years ago, JESUS said to the Jews: John 2:16-19&21
16 … Make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered
the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body. (His Church)


Remember: One Day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Be sure, we are in the beginning of the first century of the 3rd millennium after the first coming of JESUS. What He said to the Jews in the temple of Jerusalem about three days, it will fulfil now LITERALLY, even now, in the days to come, in the days ahead, day after day.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 
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Remember though that the Apostle Paul was given further revelation of God`s eternal purposes that were not known before - re, the Body of Christ and its purpose under Christ.

And I`m sure that God who is omniscient, knows who are true Israel.

Marilyn.
How would you define and describe "true Israel"?
 
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How would you define and describe "true Israel"?

Good question jgr,

Those who are from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lineage, who repent and look for the Messiah to bring in His rulership through them. This will be the one-third who go through the fire of the tribulation.

`And it shall come to pass in all the land, says the Lord, that two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, but one-third shall be left in it; I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested.

They will call on my name, and I will answer them, I will say, "This is my people" And each will say, "The Lord is my God.` (Zech. 13: 8 & 9)

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi The Times,

The :scratch: was to do with this statement you made -When God makes this code known to who he chooses, then we will fully understand the chronology of events

Mmmm and where in scripture did your find that gem?:rolleyes:

Marilyn.

It has historically been witnessed that knowledge is imparted to Christians, according to the sovereign will of God.

Paul even hinted at this.....

3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. (Romans 12:3-8)

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them.5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. (1 Corinthians 12:4-10)
 
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Hi The Times,

Let`s take it a step at a time. Now do you realise that it has been nearly 2000 years since the cross! Also the Apostle Paul, (well after the cross) by the Holy Spirit tells us -

`For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places.` (Eph. 6: 12)

So we see that Satan is not imprisoned in the bottomless pit at the moment bro.

regards, Marilyn.

I do not believe that the millennium is an exact time frame, much like when we say several years, which does not imply the exact number of 7 years. I did say that for ease sake, let us take it as a 1000 years number.

This wrestling against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places, is through Christ Jesus, where Christ brings his once enemies in submission to him, through free will choice. Saul of Tarsus aka Paul was one of those, in whom those spiritual principalities used to persecute the Church.

Paul even states that he now is a prisoner of Christ. This Holy Ghost in action ise prophetic and has been happening throughout the last 2000 years. It does not imply that Jesus will conquer the minds and hearts of all enemies, but it is a work in progress as figuratively stated as follows....

For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:25)

It does not happen in an instant, but it is progressive work in progress, until all the earthly kingdoms are annihilated at his brilliant coming, hence the old earth and the old heaven will flee from him when he returns, because they will be no more.

24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

You may disagree with me but he has been doing this through his anointed Holy Spirit filled Church.


Those Ephesians versus suport the above claim, as do these.....

19and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way. (Ephesians 1:19-23)

This is also prophetic....

4From Judah will come the cornerstone,
from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.
5Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets.

They will fight because the Lord is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.

The above is the spritual warfare mentioned in Ephesians, that the true Christian faces daily, by confounding the enemies lies and by bringing minds and hearts captive to Christ Jesus.

Look around you and discern that we have once peoples from every nation, languages being brought to Christ, hence shaming the horsemen of the enemies/principalities.
 
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Now The Times,

We know that Jesus said His kingdom (rule) was not of this world so then as you say when He returns to earth he then delivers the kingdom to the Father. But wasn`t it always with the Father?

Contradiction there bro.

The heavenly Kingdom was and is always with the Father, yet the Father imparted his Kingdom to the Son and blessed the extension of it through the Holy Ghost who reigns on Earth, through the believers.

This is what the Father did in a nutshell as the prayer goes, thy Kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

4From Judah will come the cornerstone,
from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.

5Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets. They will fight because the Lord is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.

Street evangelism at its best and finest!
 
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It has historically been witnessed that knowledge is imparted to Christians, according to the sovereign will of God.

Paul even hinted at this.....

3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. (Romans 12:3-8)

4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them.5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. (1 Corinthians 12:4-10)

Great scriptures there bro. Reveals how the Body works. Each have been given a manifestation of the Spirit for the common good of the Body, for edifying, encouraging and exhorting each other, and all the more as we see the day drawing near.

So the `manifestation of the Spirit` will always be in line with what is in His word. Thus we talk concerning scripture and how it all fit together.

will read your next posts, Marilyn.
 
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In other "word", they're Christians?

Not really jgr. We are not the centre of the universe, but Christ and His purposes are. We, the Body of Christ are built together, Jew & Gentile making one new man, a heavenly purpose. Israel however is just that, people of the earthly lineage of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. They also have a purpose, an earthly purpose to rule the nations.

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I do not believe that the millennium is an exact time frame, much like when we say several years to imply the exact number of 7 years. I did say that for ease sake, let us take it as a 1000 years number.

This wrestling against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places, is through Christ Jesus, where Christ brings his once enemies in submission to him, through free will choice. Saul of Tarsus aka Paul was one of those, in whom those spiritual principalities used to persecute the Church.

Hi The Times,

Mmmm It seems to me you are contradicting yourself there bro. Now you said previously -

The first 1000 years commenced at the cross, when Satan was imprisoned in the bottomless pitt

The I quoted the scripture concerning wrestling against principalities, power, rulers, spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places...Obviously Satan IS NOT in the pit!

Marilyn.
 
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The heavenly Kingdom was and is always with the Father, yet the Father imparted his Kingdom to the Son and blessed the extension of it through the Holy Ghost who reigns on Earth, through the believers.

This is what the Father did in a nutshell as the prayer goes, thy Kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

4From Judah will come the cornerstone,
from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.

5Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets. They will fight because the Lord is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.

Street evangelism at its best and finest!

The Times,

Remember we fight NOT against flesh & blood..... You are quoting what Israel did bro.

If you used the words kingdom RULE it would make our conversation much easier to understand.

`Thy Kingdom rule come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.`

OurEnglish word gives the impression that it is a lump of earth we are talking about, whereas God always had the earth, never gave it away. it has & is ALWAYS about RULERSHIP!

Marilyn.
 
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People are reading scripture and not discerning the text type it is written in.

You would not read a persuasive text type as an information text type.
Or a poetic text type as an literal text type, without applying figurative meaning to terms.

And people (not looking at anyone bro. :wave:) are putting themselves at the centre of God`s word & thinking it is all about them. Mmmmmm
 
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Israel however is just that, people of the earthly lineage of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.
Marilyn,

Earlier I quoted Paul to show him confirming that ethnicity, i.e. earthly lineage, is the sole criterion in determining who comprises physical Israel. You countered by claiming that it was only "true" Israel, i.e. those ethnic Israelites who repented etc., who qualified. I asked if those were in fact Christians.

But now you've dropped the "true" criterion, and reverted solely to ethnicity, i.e. earthly lineage.

So is the Israel with whom God is going to deal; solely ethnic Israel, or is it "true", i.e. ethnic Christian, Israel?
 
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And people (not looking at anyone bro. :wave:) are putting themselves at the centre of God`s word & thinking it is all about them. Mmmmmm

I hope you don't believe that I am promoting myself over God's Word.

As I said previously I am in dialoge with brothers and sisters like you. Letting you know that my millennium position has changed in the last week or so, after much scrutiny of my previously held preconceived beliefs.

Previously I read into scripture thinking that John was referring to all events and characters to the one specific 1000 years. Yet after much scrutiny, I now believe that there are two milleniums, separate from one another and uniquely tied to the characters involves, that is the good and the wicked.
 
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The Times,

Remember we fight NOT against flesh & blood..... You are quoting what Israel did bro.

If you used the words kingdom RULE it would make our conversation much easier to understand.

`Thy Kingdom rule come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.`

OurEnglish word gives the impression that it is a lump of earth we are talking about, whereas God always had the earth, never gave it away. it has & is ALWAYS about RULERSHIP!

Marilyn.

God is not in it for the materialistic rulership, which he created anyway. God is in it for the hearts and minds of people, his Rulership is defined throughout the old and new testament scriptures as follows....

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

The days are coming,” declares the Lord,

“when I will make a new covenant

with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah.

32It will not be like the covenant

I made with their ancestors

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of Egypt,

because they broke my covenant,

though I was a husband todthem,e

declares the Lord.

33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel

after that time,” declares the Lord.

“I will put my law in their minds

and write it on their hearts.

I will be their God,

and they will be my people.

34No longer will they teach their neighbor,

or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’

because they will all know me,

from the least of them to the greatest,”

25As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;

and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”i

26and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,

‘You are not my people,’

there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’ ”


God's Rulership is where he placed his seal of guarantee, which is his Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit dwells, there is the Temple, the Sabbath and the Kingdom come in our hearts.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

God's purpose is to rule your heart and to change it from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh, for this is the Kingdom come on Earth, through the body of Christ.
 
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The Times,

Remember we fight NOT against flesh & blood..... You are quoting what Israel did bro.

If you used the words kingdom RULE it would make our conversation much easier to understand.

`Thy Kingdom rule come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.`

OurEnglish word gives the impression that it is a lump of earth we are talking about, whereas God always had the earth, never gave it away. it has & is ALWAYS about RULERSHIP!

Marilyn.

Since we fight not against fresh and blood and so it remains God's Rulership is for the hearts and minds of the enemies of the cross.
 
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Marilyn,

Earlier I quoted Paul to show him confirming that ethnicity, i.e. earthly lineage, is the sole criterion in determining who comprises physical Israel. You countered by claiming that it was only "true" Israel, i.e. those ethnic Israelites who repented etc., who qualified. I asked if those were in fact Christians.

But now you've dropped the "true" criterion, and reverted solely to ethnicity, i.e. earthly lineage.

So is the Israel with whom God is going to deal; solely ethnic Israel, or is it "true", i.e. ethnic Christian, Israel?

Hi jgr,

I`m probably not quite understanding what you are asking. So I`ll try & reply again. I see that there are those who can claim to be of Abraham etc like the Pharisees but it is only those who repent and receive the Lord as their Messiah. Many have throughout time & there will be those at the end of the trib. who will receive their Messiah.

The Body of Christ is a different purpose as God`s word says, not known in ages past but revealed to the Apostle Paul.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Since we fight not against fresh and blood and so it remains God's Rulership is for the hearts and minds of the enemies of the cross.

However the Lord and His angelic hosts will `fight` against His enemies. The armies of the world that come against the Lord will have the flesh of their bodies dissolve etc. (Zech. 14: 12)

regards, Marilyn.
 
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God is not in it for the materialistic rulership, which he created anyway. God is in it for the hearts and minds of people, his Rulership is defined throughout the old and new testament scriptures as follows....

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

The days are coming,” declares the Lord,

“when I will make a new covenant

with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah.

32It will not be like the covenant

I made with their ancestors

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of Egypt,

because they broke my covenant,

though I was a husband todthem,e

declares the Lord.

33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel

after that time,” declares the Lord.

“I will put my law in their minds

and write it on their hearts.

I will be their God,

and they will be my people.

34No longer will they teach their neighbor,

or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’

because they will all know me,

from the least of them to the greatest,”

25As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;

and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”i

26and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,

‘You are not my people,’

there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’ ”


God's Rulership is where he placed his seal of guarantee, which is his Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit dwells, there is the Temple, the Sabbath and the Kingdom come in our hearts.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

God's purpose is to rule your heart and to change it from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh, for this is the Kingdom come on Earth, through the body of Christ.

Hi The Times,

If you read that scripture carefully you will see it is written to the people of Israel and Judah. he is their husband. He has betrothed them to Him forever.

We are the Body of Christ. This revelation was NOT revealed in the past. None of the OT scriptures are concerning the Body of Christ.

God`s eternal purpose is that Christ should rule over ever realm in all of heaven & earth. Rulership in the hearts & physically ruling throughout the universe - heavens & earth.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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