When does the kingdom come

[Marilyn C]

All this happens at his second coming, coinciding with the resurrection of the dead, when the books will be opened.

Hi The Times,

Now this is the part we disagree on. I see that the old earth still has to go through a 1,000 years before death is destroyed.

Marilyn.

 

[BABerean2]

God is omniscient - all knowing and He knew that Israel would rebel, but He just put them on hold while He brought in the Body of Christ. Then when that purpose, (the Body of Christ) is complete, mature, come to the unity of faith, then they will be taken to their eternal setting in the third heaven. Then the earthly purpose through Israel will continue.

Remember God made all the realms and each will have different groups to rule under Christ.

Marilyn.

You are repeating the Two Peoples of God doctrine brought to America by John Nelson Darby, about the time of the Civil War.

Classic Dispensationalists believe God will again go back to dealing with the modern nation of Israel after the end of the “Church Age”. They claim the Church is a “parenthesis” in God’s dealings with the nation of Israel.



Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church.



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.



Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.



John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…



"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25



Modern Dispensational Theology only works by ignoring the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

You are also ignoring the fact that Paul addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.
Paul referred to himself as an "Israelite" in Romans 11:1.
James referred to his fellow Brethren as the "twelve tribes" in James chapter 1.

You are ignoring the fact that when the Church began almost all of it's members were Israelites.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church", as Dispensationalists often claim.

Modern Dispensational Theology is a doctrine of ignorance, because it only works by ignoring or redefining many passages of scripture, especially those that deal with the New Covenant of Christ.

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[The Times]

Hi The Times,

Now this is the part we disagree on. I see that the old earth still has to go through a 1,000 years before death is destroyed.

Marilyn.

The millennium is the sticking point. This is where much confusion enters into people's eschatological views.

When God makes this code known to who he chooses, then we will fully understand the chronology of events.

These following versus are the sticking points...

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There are two thoughts to the interpretation of the millennium term, that is....

We can consider that whenever the term millennium is mentioned, we can take it as being the exact time frame, mentioned in all the versus above and endeavour to chronologize the events around that single time period, like....

Satan chained, beginning of the millennium reign, first resurrection

1000 years passes.......

Then Satan is loosened, the rest of the dead that did not have part in the first resurrection have part in the second resurrection.

Now comes the other way to look at the millennium, that is every time millennium is mentioned, it is mentioned uniquely for a connecting character event, it does not necessarily imply the same 1000 years across all characters. For example.....

Satan is bound a 1000 years from the cross and onwards.
The bride of Christ lived with Christ a 1000 years in the 1st resurrection.
The rest of the dead did not take part in the 1st resurrection, yet take part in the second resurrection after a 1000 years had expired.
Satan is released after a 1000 years.

Satan bound and released after a 1000 years is NOT the same 1000 years chronology of....

The 1st resurrection of the Saints to be joined with Christ.

The ones that did not take part in the 1st resurrection, at the end of Satan's 1000 years taste second death, where death and hell are cast into the lake of fire.

So the 1000 years for Satan and his seed are connected to their character, yet this 1000 years chronologically speaking is not the 1000 years for the characters of the saved with Christ.

Therefore the 1000 years of Satan and his seed happen before the 1000 years of the 1st resurrection.

I believe that this is key to understanding that the characters are connected uniquely to their 1000 years and so we have two different 1000 years spoken off, one that is from the cross until Christ's second coming and the other is from Christ's second coming onto eternity.

The two 1000 years are character based and are separated by the great white throne judgment, where the 1st resurrection commences and the second death is applied immediately upon the wicked. Past this point hell and death cannot exist, they are blotted out.

 

[Oseas]

Then when Jesus told Pilate that His rule was not from this world, we know that He is the king of heaven as God`s word tell us. His rulership is of the Godhead, it is not an earthly - democratic, or a dictatorship, etc of fallen man, but it originates from the Godhead, in heaven.

Yes, the rulership of JESUS is not an earthly - democratic, or a dictatorship of fallen man (fallen, I say, because they are guided by the spirit of Devil). As says the human conception, the rulership of JESUS could be call as Theocratic. But the Scriptures do not call the Kingdom of God of Theocratic, this is human conception.

 

[Oseas]

Hi PeaceJoyLove,

First let me establish that everything, every realm was made by God, He never gave it away & it is for Him. I think we can agree with that.

`For by Him all thing were created, that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and FOR HIM.` (Col. 1: 16)

kingdom - Gk. word - `basileia,` meaning royalty , rule.

Now I am going to use the word RULE so that our conversation can be clearer.

When Jesus is talking to the people of Israel he is telling them concerning God`s rule to come over them, (instead of the Romans). However they rejected Him. Yet, God will still accomplish what He desires concerning His rulership through Israel.

Then when Jesus told Pilate that His rule was not from this world, we know that He is the king of heaven as God`s word tell us. His rulership is of the Godhead, it is not an earthly - democratic, or a dictatorship, etc of fallen man, but it originates from the Godhead, in heaven.

Then to the Body of Christ we know His rulership is in our hearts at the moment and one day soon when the Body of Christ has come to full maturity, then we will be taken to the third heaven where we will rule & reign with Christ.

There is rebellion throughout the universe and the earth and step by step the Lord Jesus Christ will bring an end to every rule and authority.

`Then comes the end, when He delivers the RULE to God the Father, when He has put an end to all RULE AND AUTHORITY AND POWER.` (1 Cor. 15: 24)

Hope that is clearer. Marilyn.

You wrote: >>>There is rebellion throughout the universe and the earth and step by step the Lord Jesus Christ will bring an end to every rule and authority.<<<

What says the Word of God?

2Peter 3:3-18
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water (Genesis 1:9-10) and in the water:(remains)
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (the Dispensations of the Old and New Testaments) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved (the two Covenants, the Old and New Convenant) and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens (the 3rd heaven, the Kingdom of God. Luke 20:35-36) and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


>>>`Then comes the end, when He delivers the RULE to God the Father, when He has put an end to all RULE AND AUTHORITY AND POWER.` (1 Cor. 15: 24)<<<

Rev. 22:11-17
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs (dogs? who are them? Isaiah 56:9-12 reveals who are them), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Hi PeaceJoyLove,

First let me establish that everything, every realm was made by God, He never gave it away & it is for Him. I think we can agree with that.

`For by Him all thing were created, that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and FOR HIM.` (Col. 1: 16)

kingdom - Gk. word - `basileia,` meaning royalty , rule.

Now I am going to use the word RULE so that our conversation can be clearer.

When Jesus is talking to the people of Israel he is telling them concerning God`s rule to come over them, (instead of the Romans). However they rejected Him. Yet, God will still accomplish what He desires concerning His rulership through Israel.

Then when Jesus told Pilate that His rule was not from this world, we know that He is the king of heaven as God`s word tell us. His rulership is of the Godhead, it is not an earthly - democratic, or a dictatorship, etc of fallen man, but it originates from the Godhead, in heaven.

Then to the Body of Christ we know His rulership is in our hearts at the moment and one day soon when the Body of Christ has come to full maturity, then we will be taken to the third heaven where we will rule & reign with Christ.

There is rebellion throughout the universe and the earth and step by step the Lord Jesus Christ will bring an end to every rule and authority.

`Then comes the end, when He delivers the RULE to God the Father, when He has put an end to all RULE AND AUTHORITY AND POWER.` (1 Cor. 15: 24)

Hope that is clearer. Marilyn.

Yes. Every knee will bow...

 

[Petros2015]

When?

Luke 17:20-21.

It comes when you hand over the keys.

 

[wilts43]

Christ was absolutely clear.
He declared the Kingdom of heaven to be at hand......there and then!!
He made it clear He was the King! ("of the Jews"; And he was crucified under that very title)
He was the Messianic (Davidic) king. "The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32). "And his kingdom will last forever"

So there can not possibly be any newer dispensation/reformation!

He re-instituted the Davidic kingdom (in Matt 16:18), when He made Peter steward(Prime-Minister) to rule in his stead (See Isaiah 22:20-23)
He gives Peter the "keys-of-David" which WERE THE AUTHORITY TO RULE IN THE KING'S ABSENCE.
The parrallel between Matt 16:18 & Is 22:20-23 cannot possibly be coincidence.
It is clear to any Jew and to any Catholic

Christ builds his kingdom (Church) on his visible-prime-minister, Peter, and he has promised to be with it until the end of time.

But the rebels, who despise authority, search the scriptures (especially Revelations) in vain,.... for raptures and fantasies, for ethereal, invisible kingdoms of gnostic unrealities for their illuminati of "the saved".
A total contradiction to the Incarnational, enfleshment of a real God in real history bringing in a real (though at the same time spiritual) Kingdom.

They just demand a Democratic United States of "Me-&-Jesus".
Which is "Jesus;-as-defined-by-me"!
But, in the kingdom!....you submit; and you bow the mind, & bend the knee.

What is the point I wonder of addressing American Protestants, & their offspring, on this?
They Ransack Revelations for all kinds of novelty speculations.........and yet they wilfully fail to see the blindingly obvious,.....e.g. The Queen (Mother) of The Davidic King, Gebirah, Our-Lady, The New Eve, The Ark of God's Covenant...... blatantly and uncontovertibly depicted in 11:19 following through 12.
You cannot see or accept The Kingdom of God (His Church) until you read scripture without Protestant-Tradition-Goggles on.

 

[Marilyn C]

You are repeating the Two Peoples of God doctrine brought to America by John Nelson Darby, about the time of the Civil War.

Classic Dispensationalists believe God will again go back to dealing with the modern nation of Israel after the end of the “Church Age”. They claim the Church is a “parenthesis” in God’s dealings with the nation of Israel.
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Hi BABerean,

Now to bring in someone`s name to discredit a view is actually a weak `tactic.` It reveals that the person does not use scripture to present their view. Anyone can bring forward someone who believes in such and such a view and discredit them. Why? because we are all fallible.

Always better to discuss scripture bro. Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

The millennium is the sticking point. This is where much confusion enters into people's eschatological views.

When God makes this code known to who he chooses, then we will fully understand the chronology of events.

.

 

[Marilyn C]

Christ was absolutely clear.
He declared the Kingdom of heaven to be at hand......there and then!!
He made it clear He was the King! ("of the Jews"; And he was crucified under that very title)
He was the Messianic (Davidic) king. "The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32). "And his kingdom will last forever"

So there can not possibly be any newer dispensation/reformation!

He re-instituted the Davidic kingdom (in Matt 16:18), when He made Peter steward(Prime-Minister) to rule in his stead (See Isaiah 22:20-23)
He gives Peter the "keys-of-David" which WERE THE AUTHORITY TO RULE IN THE KING'S ABSENCE.
The parrallel between Matt 16:18 & Is 22:20-23 cannot possibly be coincidence.
It is clear to any Jew and to any Catholic

Christ builds his kingdom (Church) on his visible-prime-minister, Peter, and he has promised to be with it until the end of time.

.

Hi Wilts,

When Jesus said `the kingdom is at hand` the word kingdom means `rule.` As you said He is the king and He was there to rule. And as you also said He is the Messianic (Davidic) king and He will reign over Israel as God has said. `The Lord God (the Father) will give Him the throne of His father David.`

Then we know that the 12 disciples will be given rulership over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)

So I don`t see the Body of Christ mentioned there. Marilyn.

 

[jgr]

God is omniscient - all knowing and He knew that Israel would rebel, but He just put them on hold while He brought in the Body of Christ. Then when that purpose, (the Body of Christ) is complete, mature, come to the unity of faith, then they will be taken to their eternal setting in the third heaven. Then the earthly purpose through Israel will continue.

Remember God made all the realms and each will have different groups to rule under Christ.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

Here is what the contemporary community of Israel acknowledges about its identity.
"And indeed, the number of people in the world today with the “Abrahamic Genetic Signature” is too large to count precisely. A reasonable estimate is in the hundreds of millions."

That article is based on a book published more than ten years ago. The sophistication of genetic testing has been increasing continuously over that time. If the estimate was hundreds of millions back then, that estimate could now just as easily be, and quite probably is, the whole human race. In the approximately 100 40-year generations since Abraham, genetic dispersion and diffusion virtually guarantee that everyone on earth has at least one molecule of Abraham's DNA.

How does God continue His earthly purpose through an Israel that comprises the whole human race?

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

Here is what the contemporary community of Israel acknowledges about its identity.
"And indeed, the number of people in the world today with the “Abrahamic Genetic Signature” is too large to count precisely. A reasonable estimate is in the hundreds of millions."

That article is based on a book published more than ten years ago. The sophistication of genetic testing has been increasing continuously over that time. If the estimate was hundreds of millions back then, that estimate could now just as easily be, and quite probably is, the whole human race. In the approximately 100 40-year generations since Abraham, genetic dispersion and diffusion virtually guarantee that everyone on earth has at least one molecule of Abraham's DNA.

How does God continue His earthly purpose through an Israel that comprises the whole human race?

Hi jgr,

I would just have to say, God knows who are His people of Israel. And when He says in His word that He goes to the house of David and the tents of Judah, then He knows who is who.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.` (Zech. 12: 7)

regards, Marilyn.

 

[jgr]

Hi jgr,

I would just have to say, God knows who are His people of Israel. And when He says in His word that He goes to the house of David and the tents of Judah, then He knows who is who.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.` (Zech. 12: 7)

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

Ethnicity is the only criterion in Scripture necessary to qualify physically as a member of Israel. Paul declared:

Philippians 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

I'm sure he was aware of Zech. 12:7.

 

[The Times]

Sorry to confuse you, I meant a point of contention.

I believe that the millennium or let us for ease sake, call it a 1000 years, could be referring to a separate 1000 years for Satan and the wicked, in contrast to the 1000 years of Christ and the redeemed.

Thanks to you and other friends, whom I have discussed this point of much contention, within this thread and other threads. I have learnt alot.

I truly believe that the 1000 years for Satan and the wicked are earthly in context, whereby it occurs before the commencement of the 1000 years for the saints who will take part in the 1st resurrection.

So I am led to believe the following concerning the two separate 1000 years....

The first 1000 years commenced at the cross, when Satan was imprisoned in the bottomless pitt, resulting later in the 1st beast and false religious prophet system destroyed within the 1st century. This would be the spiritual battle of Armageddon which manifested in the wars leading up to 70AD. (Note: I am not a Preterist)

After the 1st 1000 years are expired, then Satan is released towards the end of the harvest, when the symbol of the two witnesses, who is the Church finish their testimony about Jesus. Satan emerges from his bottomless pitt and wages war against the Church and manages to martyre a significant portion of its witnesses. Then the battle of Gog and Magog results, where the remaining (remnant) raptured members of the Church, who are the Elect will be encircled by the beast armies, almost reminiscing Mosada. This second beast is carrying on in the split image of the 1st beast that was destroyed in the 1st century. Satan will be the autocratic king of the revamped second beast, that has two horns, both universal political system of buying and selling and universal religious system of worshipping.

Then there is a short beast reign before the earth is destroyed by the wrath vials of God, however the Elect hid in their protective chambers that they were raptured in. Then the COMING of the Lord is a brilliant LIGHT fire that consumes the old heaven and the old earth and translates the Elect instantly to another new heaven and new earth realm, what ever that may be.

At the time the Elect are translated, the 2nd 1000 years commences without an end and onto eternity and this is the 1st resurrection, that is the resurrection of the dead. The wicked who did not take part are among the dead and so at Christ's brilliant coming, both death and hell are blotted out instantly in the lake of fire, for the last enemy death is defeated and hell cannot continue. This event is the second death, that is the blotting out of death and hell after the books are opened.

11And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them. 12I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.14Then death and the Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

 

[The Times]

The Kingdom is from the very reign of the Holy Ghost in the born again believers.

This reign continues until all enemies are made Christ's footstool, where all dominion, authority and power are destroyed. Then at Christ's brilliant coming he raises his bride, defeats death and delivers the Kingdom to the Father and becomes subject to him. The Old earth and old heaven is no more and death and hell cannot continue past this point after the books are opened.

The grand finale is Christ's brilliant coming, at the seventh trumpet call and the declaration of time no longer. Time will cease to exist and those who take part in the resurrection of the dead, will forever be with Jesus in the Nexus of God, that is his House of many mansions.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn,

Ethnicity is the only criterion in Scripture necessary to qualify physically as a member of Israel. Paul declared:

Philippians 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

I'm sure he was aware of Zech. 12:7.

Remember though that the Apostle Paul was given further revelation of God`s eternal purposes that were not known before - re, the Body of Christ and its purpose under Christ.

And I`m sure that God who is omniscient, knows who are true Israel.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Sorry to confuse you, I meant a point of contention.

Hi The Times,

The was to do with this statement you made -When God makes this code known to who he chooses, then we will fully understand the chronology of events

Mmmm and where in scripture did your find that gem?

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

I truly believe that the 1000 years for Satan and the wicked are earthly in context, whereby it occurs before the commencement of the 1000 years for the saints who will take part in the 1st resurrection.

So I am led to believe the following concerning the two separate 1000 years....

The first 1000 years commenced at the cross, when Satan was imprisoned in the bottomless pitt, resulting later in the 1st beast and false religious prophet system destroyed within the 1st century. This would be the spiritual battle of Armageddon which manifested in the wars leading up to 70AD. (Note: I am not a Preterist)

Hi The Times,

Let`s take it a step at a time. Now do you realise that it has been nearly 2000 years since the cross! Also the Apostle Paul, (well after the cross) by the Holy Spirit tells us -

`For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places.` (Eph. 6: 12)

So we see that Satan is not imprisoned in the bottomless pit at the moment bro.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Kingdom is from the very reign of the Holy Ghost in the born again believers.

This reign continues until all enemies are made Christ's footstool, where all dominion, authority and power are destroyed. Then at Christ's brilliant corning he raises his bride, defeats death and delivers the Kingdom to the Father and becomes subject to him. The Old earth and old heaven is no more and death and hell cannot continue past this point after the books are opened.

The grand finale is Christ's brilliant coming, at the seventh trumpet call and the declaration of time no longer. Time will cease to exist and those who take part in the resurrection of the dead, will forever be with Jesus in the Nexus of God, that is his House of many mansions.

Now The Times,

We know that Jesus said His kingdom (rule) was not of this world so then as you say when He returns to earth he then delivers the kingdom to the Father. But wasn`t it always with the Father?

Contradiction there bro.