JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[bugkiller]

Who should we believe God or man? I choose to believe God. Nothing you have said has addressed any of the scriptures. If you believe they do pick out one of your statement referring to the scriptures and lets discuss....

Why do you post such things? Either Paul's works are not Scripture or you do not believe scripture. Peter equates Paul's letters as equal to Scripture in II Pet 3:16.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I did with the scripture you quoted against. If you do not believe it is true please pick anyone of your statements against God's Word and lets discuss... Look forward to our discussion

Obviously I think what you intend and promote is wrong. You have not responded yet to any point or about any verse quoted or mentioned. You make no discussion about any or all of it. The contradiction is obvious and you cannot prove any text provided is error.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Well that is not true.. you were the one trying to address the post not me. Pick one of your statements and lets talk scripture? Anyone is ok

You do not want to talk Scriputre.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If your talking about Hebrews 4. The subject of the Chapter is the origin of the Sabbath rest from creation where it originated and how God's people could not enter in to God's rest because of they unbelief in following His Word. It is the same warning for us today. Post 464 has the detail...

Rest appears in verses 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 11. That is 8 out of 16 and you want us to believe the subject is something else. The word sabbath does not appear in the chapter.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

..and this has what to do with God's Sabbath? This is about following and believing Jesus. It is written he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:2-4) and again Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him (1 John 3:6). This includes God's 4th commandment which is one of the ten..

You read Heb 4 and do not know?

bugkiller

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well I do not believe you or what you post claiming to be true. I believe you posted this verse somewhere - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Yea I picked one out of the group. The funny thing is we know very well all sin and those claiming to keep the law, don't. I do not claim to keep the law. Verse 9 is most likely missed (ignored). Rom 7 and 8 are misused here as well.
bugkiller

Friend, You are free to believe as you like. I do not judge you. Your salvation is between you and God. We are free to believe God's Word or not. However on the day of judgement it will be the Word of God that will judge all of us. (John 12:47-48)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do you post such things? Either Paul's works are not Scripture or you do not believe scripture. Peter equates Paul's letters as equal to Scripture in II Pet 3:16. bugkiller

I write these things because I believe God's Word. Jesus, Paul, James and John all agree that if we break God's Law (10 commandments) we stand guilty before God of committing sin. If we have sin in our lives we need to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.... The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. I know him and am known by him because he loves me and I love him. I am in him and he is in me. The Words that I share are his Words and not mine because it is written; he that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Obviously I think what you intend and promote is wrong. You have not responded yet to any point or about any verse quoted or mentioned. You make a discussion about any or all of it. The contradiction is obvious and you cannot prove any text provided is error.
bugkiller

You believe what I share is not the Word of God yet all I do is share God's Word. I have responded to you but you did not like the answers. As I said to you many times already. If you believe I have not responded to you please provide your statement and let's discuss it in details looking at the scriptures. If you cannot you should believe God's Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: Well that is not true.. you were the one trying to address the post not me. Pick one of your statements and lets talk scripture? Anyone is ok bugkiller said: You do not want to talk Scriputre. bugkiller

All I share is scripture. It is God's Word not mine. What he shows me in secret I preach from the housetops.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have already posted what you refuse to answer. Actually, I do not need for you to answer because I would just have to straighten your twisted use of scripture. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Judging I do not believe you have ever admitted that you are wrong about anything. Really it is not worth the effort to copy and post all the times you use scripture to Judge anyone who does not agree with you about Sabbath being a salvational issue. I don't believe that.

That is your believe and you are welcome to it. I do not judge you. It is God's Word that will judge all in the last days (John 12:47-48)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Rest appears in verses 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 11. That is 8 out of 16 and you want us to believe the subject is something else. The word sabbath does not appear in the chapter.
bugkiller

What I have shared is God's Word. God's Sabbath is his rest. If you believe I have said something wrong please make your case in regards to Hebrews Chapter 4. Here are all my posts and scriptures for you linked so you have easy access.

Hebrews Chapter 4 posts...............

Post # 485; Post # 496; Post # 500; Post # 487

Go ahead let's talk scripture. If you cannot we should believe God's Word because it us God's Word that will judge is in the last days (John 12:47-48)

 

[W2L]

I write these things because I believe God's Word. Jesus, Paul, James and John all agree that if we break God's Law (10 commandments) we stand guilty before God of committing sin. If we have sin in our lives we need to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.... The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. I know him and am known by him because he loves me and I love him. I am in him and he is in me. The Words that I share are his Words and not mine because it is written; he that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him

the ten commandments are too elementary. The NT commands teaches a much deeper understanding of righteousness.

Hebrews 4:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

the ten commandments are too elementary. The NT commands teaches a much deeper understanding of righteousness.

Hebrews 4:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

AMEN... That is why we should believe God's Word and not follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God....

 

[W2L]

AMEN... That is why we should believe God's Word and not follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God....

Even the sabbath is taught in the NT. Jesus gives the real sabbath rest, while the one moses gave was a mere shadow.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Even the sabbath is taught in the NT. Jesus gives the real sabbath rest, while the one moses gave was a mere shadow.

Hi W2L, God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) has never been a shadow of anything.

Since you will not respond to Post # 500 or COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH (linked) as well as the other posts I have sent with the scriptures. Could you please answer the following questions...............

1. Was the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week part of a finished work or unfinished work?
2. Was the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week made before sin or after sin entered the world?
3. Where does it say in God's Word God's 4th commandment the 7th Day Sabbath is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Please show the scriptures that say............

1. Jesus is the 7th day Sabbath.

2. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

3. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

4. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

5. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

6. That tells us to keep the first day in honor of the resurrection of Christ?

7. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

8. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

9. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

10. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

11. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

12. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

13. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

14. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

15. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

16. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

17. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

18. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

19. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

20. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

21. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

22. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

23. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

24. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

25. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

26. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If you cannot answer any of the above, who should we obey God or man? Only God's Word is true and we should follow Jesus if we love him....

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

 

[W2L]

Hi W2L, God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) has never been a shadow of anything.

Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Nope... Post # 500 or COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH

 

[W2L]

Nope...

Yep

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yep

Well that does not answer any of the scriptures in Post # 500 or COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH. If you cannot address the scriptures we must believe God's Word

 

[W2L]

Well that does not answer any of the scriptures in Post # 500 or COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH. If you cannot address the scriptures we must believe God's Word

I looked at your long winded post in that link. I already know what colossians 2 means, and i wont need to strain my eyes reading that monstrosity.