Does 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 teach that we are not saved by faith?

[Neostarwcc]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

 

[paul1149]

The verse means those who practice these things with a willing heart will not inherit the Kingdom, because their hearts are not God's to begin with. Those who have given themselves to the Lord do sin, but they don't practice sinning with a willing heart. This is what 1 John teaches. So on the exterior, it could look like two people are committing the same bad behavior. But under the hood one is sold out to doing so, but the other's spirit is bearing witness that this is not who he really is. The second will, hopefully, repent and eventually gain the strength to overcome the sin pattern.

Judging the verse on external behavior might lead one to think genuine faith is not sufficient, but when you get down to motivations a more accurate picture emerges.

 

[Neostarwcc]

The verse means those who practice these things with a willing heart will not inherit the Kingdom, because their hearts are not God's to begin with. Those who have given themselves to the Lord do sin, but they don't practice sinning with a willing heart. This is what 1 John teaches. So on the exterior, it could look like two people are committing the same bad behavior. But under the hood one is sold out to doing so, but the other's spirit is bearing witness that this is not who he really is. The second will, hopefully, repent and eventually gain the strength to overcome the sin pattern.

Judging the verse on external behavior might lead one to think genuine faith is not sufficient, but when you get down to motivations a more accurate picture emerges.

I also notice that I forgot to put in the OP that in the next verse it says "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." Does this mean that people were washed by the Holy Spirit and the previous verse doesn't even apply to them?

 

[Danthemailman]

The verse means those who practice these things with a willing heart will not inherit the Kingdom, because their hearts are not God's to begin with. Those who have given themselves to the Lord do sin, but they don't practice sinning with a willing heart. This is what 1 John teaches. So on the exterior, it could look like two people are committing the same bad behavior. But under the hood one is sold out to doing so, but the other's spirit is bearing witness that this is not who he really is. The second will, hopefully, repent and eventually gain the strength to overcome the sin pattern.

Judging the verse on external behavior might lead one to think genuine faith is not sufficient, but when you get down to motivations a more accurate picture emerges.

Amen! The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

 

[paul1149]

I also notice that I forgot to put in the OP that in the next verse it says "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." Does this mean that people were washed by the Holy Spirit and the previous verse doesn't even apply to them?

Great verse, and it should help to assure those with a sensitive conscience that they are safe in their salvation. There's a valid concern that if we begin to ignore our salvation, and start to cross boundaries and dabble in sin, there's a possibility that we might get caught in a rip tide that carries us away from Christ. This is what Heb 6 warns against. But the overall sentiment here is one of assurance. We have been washed, saved, delivered. Paul's intent here is to get us to walk fully reconciled to God, because even as His saved ones, there is a very real cost to our sin when we do it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

It's kind of like that passage that is commonly quoted about not a jot or tittle dropping from the law until all is fulfilled, where the context is left out that the Pharisee type of righteousness will not make it into the kingdom. So people with covetous eyes look at being "greater" in the kingdom of God but adopt a methodology to get there that is kind of like the way the pharisees operated ... so it raises further questions about what is really desired,

 

[AlexDTX]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

It is a statement on the unregenerate condition that can not be saved, but as you further quoted, that was the state of the Corinthians before the regeneration. We must be careful to follow the point of the writer and not take verses out of context. He is not addressing salvation, but the damage sin brings and how we should not be conformed to this world. There was the man in their congregation who slept with his father's wife in chapter 5 and their behavior of acting like the world in suing each other with pagan judges. He follows with noting that sexual sin is much more damaging to the believer than other sins because it is a sin within themselves.

Salvation and discipleship are not the same thing. Discipleship is both our sanctification and intimacy with the Lord. It draws us nearer to God. Salvation is purely the work of Christ for us. Discipleship is our response to that work.

 

[SeventyOne]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

It's a passage pertaining to our inheritance, not salvation. The topic being discussed is right there in the first sentence. 1 Peter 1:3-5 tells us there is an inheritance awaiting us in heaven, and then talks about salvation as a completely different subject. These are not the same thing.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

It's the same mistake those who use the parable of the wicked servant to claim salvation loss when he is assigned the same portion of the master's goods as the unbelievers, absolutely nothing. Few will make it to the kingdom, but even fewer will have a part of it for themselves. Such people are teaching a false works-based gospel, confusing our position in heaven with what gives us the right to be there in the first place. It's really a modern day form of the teaching of the Judaizers.

 

[1stcenturylady]

What separated Adam and God? Sin.

Why did Jesus come?

Daniel 9:24
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,

1 John 3:
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

2 Peter 2:9
9 "For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins."

The belief that Jesus came to cleanse our past, present and future sins, instead of our old sins, is another gospel.

Romans 6:2
How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

 

[Soyeong]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

There is the issue of whether the Jewish concept of inheriting the Kingdom of God is the same as being saved. In any case, obeying God's commands has always been about placing our faith in Him about how to rightly live, so obedience to God's commands should only be considered to be not done in faith if the passage specifically makes a distinction between our outward obedience and our heart, such as with Isaiah 29:13. The Law is indeed summarized by love in the Bible, which means that all 613 commands in the OT and all 1,050 commands in the NT are examples of how God wants His people to love. According to Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's Law.

 

[Soyeong]

It's kind of like that passage that is commonly quoted about not a jot or tittle dropping from the law until all is fulfilled, where the context is left out that the Pharisee type of righteousness will not make it into the kingdom. So people with covetous eyes look at being "greater" in the kingdom of God but adopt a methodology to get there that is kind of like the way the pharisees operated ... so it raises further questions about what is really desired,

In Matthew 5:19, Jesus said that anyone who relaxes the least of the laws or teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom, while anyone who practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the Kingdom, so we have a very clear standard. The reason why our righteousness must exceed the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law in order in order to enter the Kingdom is straightforwardly because they were not even meeting the lower standard of what it took to be called least in the Kingdom, so I completely agree that we should not model ourselves after their behavior, but it is important to correctly understand what they were doing. In Matthew 15:2-3, Jesus was asked why his disciples broke the traditions of the elders and he responded by asking them why they broke the command of God for the sake of their tradition. He then went on to say that for the sake of their tradition they made void the Word of God (Matthew 15:6), that they worshiped God in vain because they taught as doctrine the commands of men (Matthew 15:8-9), and that they were hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions (Mark 7:6-9), so Jesus criticized them for not following God's Law and for teaching their own traditions in place of it.

 

[Soyeong]

Salvation and discipleship are not the same thing. Discipleship is both our sanctification and intimacy with the Lord. It draws us nearer to God. Salvation is purely the work of Christ for us. Discipleship is our response to that work.

According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly and sinful, which sounds a lot like discipleship to me.

 

[SBC]

I recently made a topic about how we are saved by faith and this was brought up in another thread and I thought that it would be interesting to discuss in a separate thread. 1 Cor 6:9-10 reads:

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things? Just like a true faith would show works and a love for God and others? I also notice in the next verse it says

"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Does that mean that people who were washed and baptized by the Holy Spirit that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 doesn't even apply to them?

Discuss.

Doesn't apply.

1 Cor 6
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Does apply.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SkyWriting]

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith? We must not be sexually immoral, commit idolatry, adultry (Which is a difficult one Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is adultery), Homosexual, a thief, a drunk, or swindlers? Not to disagree with Paul but, I thought that the law was covered by love in the NC? Or is these verses teaching that a true faith would not exude these kinds of things?

Paul was under the impression that everyone must behave like himself.
He was like this before his conversion, as well as after.
All of Paul's writings reveal his personality. I didn't say His.

 

[SBC]

It's kind of like that passage that is commonly quoted about not a jot or tittle dropping from the law until all is fulfilled, where the context is left out that the Pharisee type of righteousness will not make it into the kingdom. So people with covetous eyes look at being "greater" in the kingdom of God but adopt a methodology to get there that is kind of like the way the pharisees operated ... so it raises further questions about what is really desired,

True a Pharisee's garb, "GAVE" an appearance of righteousness.
But then, God Himself designed the garb a Priest was to wear, way back when God appointed Aaron to be a Priest.

The Pharisee's corruption and hypocrisy, was preaching what men should do to be obedient, then excused themselves from the same standards.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Soyeong]

Paul was under the impression that everyone must behave like himself.
He was like this before his conversion, as well as after.
All of Paul's writings reveal his personality. I didn't say His.

In 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said to be like him for he is like Christ, so I completely agree that Paul wanted everyone to behave like he did, but that was only important insofar as it meant that everyone was therefore behaving like Christ.

 

[SBC]

Men believe -
God gives us faith -
Men who believe, don't believe, believe, don't believe - are men with, then without faith, as many times
....as they believe, then not believe.
The receive faith, then fall from faith, and risk the danger of being out of faith, when their body dies.

Men who believe, AND submit to the Lord, are given FULL FAITH.

This is faith-FULLNESS to God only, and permanent.
It is the FULLNESS of ones body, soul, and spirit in Faithfulness to God ONLY and forever.
This is effected By God Power, ie indwelling Holy Spirit.
It is called making a man WHOLLY WHOLE.

Yes, we are saved by Faith alone. Gods gift to us for belief.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SkyWriting]

In 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said to be like him for he is like Christ, so I completely agree that Paul wanted everyone to behave like he did, but that was only important insofar as it meant that everyone was therefore behaving like Christ.

That was his opinion. Not mine.

 

[Soyeong]

That was his opinion. Not mine.

Do you not consider his writings to have the weight of Scripture? If not, why not?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith? Or that there are conditions to our faith?

With all Scripture, much of this is clearly illustrated.
Since most people never enter the Kingdom of Heaven,
according to Scripture,
their faith either was false, their heart impure,
their minds separated from Christ (not in Christ),
their lives, deeds and actions judged selfish (by His Word),

no matter what faith they claim and/or believe while alive on earth.

There are many descriptions (not conditions) of true and false, of living and dead, "faith",
in Scripture.
Again, since Scripture says most people do not make it,
there is a lot "people" do not know -
there is a lot of "people" unfaithful who think they are saved. (but aren't).