Easily disproven.Actually, these views were held by essentially all of the Christian writers that wrote during the first two centuries of the church.
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Easily disproven.Actually, these views were held by essentially all of the Christian writers that wrote during the first two centuries of the church.
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Based entirely on comments I have personally found in the works of early Church writers, I can assuredly say that:Easily disproven.
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Agreed. These ten kingdoms presaged the emergence of the papal Roman empire.A future dissolution of the Roman Empire into ten kingdoms was taught at least by Justyn Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hyppolytus, Victorinus, Commodianus, Lactantius, and Jerome.
Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf
Author Tim LaHaye’s fictional books and movies known as the “Left Behind” series have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Pretrib doctrine is scriptural.
Look at his quote below and consider carefully which viewpoint is the oldest.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the
post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
Tim LaHaye, "Rapture Under Attack", page 197, Multnomath Publishers, Inc., 1998
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Chrysostom pointed out the error in that teaching (and thus in pre-trib doctrine):And John of Crysostem implied that some in his day were teaching that the restrained who would "be taken out of the way" was the Holy Spirit. As this is an essential element of pre-trib doctrine, it strongly implies that this was being taught in his time.
Chrysostom pointed out the error in that teaching (and thus in pre-trib doctrine):
"Because if he meant to say the Spirit, he would not have spoken obscurely, but plainly, that even now the grace of the Spirit, that is the gifts, withhold him...But because he said this of the Roman empire, he naturally glanced at it, and speaks covertly and darkly. For he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities, and useless dangers. For if he had said that after a little while the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would immediately have even overwhelmed him, as a pestilent person, and all the faithful, as living and warring to this end."
He presented the reason why Paul articulated the scenario as he did, and thus why the alternative was incorrect. History subsequently demonstrated the accuracy of Paul's inspired prescience, and of Chrysostom's understanding of it.More correctly, he expressed a contrary opinion.In actual fact, he did not present even one reason why it was not correct. He just said he held a different opinion. But my point was not what his judgment of the doctrine, but that he said that it was being taught in his day. So this strongly suggests that the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture was being taught at that time.
Unfortunately the Bible never says that God plans to take His people up to heaven to live. Only the souls of the martyrs are kept there and Jesus will bring them back with Him and they will come to life again. Revelation 20:4I absolutely believe in the rapture of the believers. JESUS completed the saving work of our salvation and IF we have accepted that wonderful work of redemption we WILL go up in the rapture
Is this the right place to post on the rapture?
I absolutely believe in the rapture of the believers. JESUS completed the saving work of our salvation and IF we have accepted that wonderful work of redemption we WILL go up in the rapture
IF you do NOT ''rightly divide'' the Word of God you WILL get confused and mixed up .
You need to know that after the rapture God will take up HIS ''everlasting covenant" with Israel.
That is the ''kingdom''. The "kingdom" is not for Christians.
Jesus came unto His own the Jews- He did not come to teach the Gentiles.
HE gave Paul the "mystery' of the church. Jesus told his disiples "go NOT into the way of the Gentiles'' Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Peter was the apostle to the Jews.
IF you do not ''rightly divide'' you will mess the Word of God up. As scripture says to the destruction of your soul
2 Timothy 2:15Is this the right place to post on the rapture?
I absolutely believe in the rapture of the believers. JESUS completed the saving work of our salvation and IF we have accepted that wonderful work of redemption we WILL go up in the rapture
IF you do NOT ''rightly divide'' the Word of God you WILL get confused and mixed up .
You need to know that after the rapture God will take up HIS ''everlasting covenant" with Israel.
That is the ''kingdom''. The "kingdom" is not for Christians.
Jesus came unto His own the Jews- He did not come to teach the Gentiles.
HE gave Paul the "mystery' of the church. Jesus told his disiples "go NOT into the way of the Gentiles'' Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Peter was the apostle to the Jews.
IF you do not ''rightly divide'' you will mess the Word of God up. As scripture says to the destruction of your soul
Had Jerome lived a relatively short time later, he would have seen the fulfillment of his commentary. The "ten kings who will partition the Roman world amongst themselves" were ten kingdoms which emerged from the dissolution of the pagan Roman empire, the Heruli, Suevi, Burgundians, Huns, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Lombards, Franks, and Anglo-Saxons. The "insignificant eleventh king" was the nascent papal Roman empire which emerged shortly thereafter. The "three of the ten kings" which the papacy subsequently overcame were the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths.Futurism was, in actual fact, so all-prevalent in the early church that in the fifth century Jerome wrote, "We should therefore concur with the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church, that at the end of the world, when the Roman Empire is to be destroyed, there shall be ten kings who will partition the Roman world amongst themselves. Then an insignificant eleventh king will arise, who will overcome three of the ten kings... Then after they have been slain, the seven other kings will bow their necks to the victor." (Jerome’s comments on Daniel 7:8, as found in “Jerome’s Commentary on Daniel,” pg. 77, translated by Gleason L. Archer, Jr., published by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1958.)
Unfortunately the Bible never says that God plans to take His people up to heaven to live. Only the souls of the martyrs are kept there and Jesus will bring them back with Him and they will come to life again. Revelation 20:4
Rightly dividing the Word, is a basically meaningless term. All that is required, is to simply read what we are told in our Bibles. Different opinions arise when people view scripture thru the lens of a preconceived belief.
What God has said He will do for His faithful people in the end times, is protection during the difficult times ahead. For all those people, Jew and Gentile, the Lord promises great blessings, but we must endure in our faith until the end. Revelation 13:10
2 Timothy 2:15
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accurately handling
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Rightly dividing = accurately handling
It has nothing to do with chopping Scripture into seven millennia, dispensations, or any other artificial manmade divisions.