The Lord's Day of Vengeance and Wrath

[BABerean2]

But you promoted that text as though the ancient Israelites had fulfilled all that God has promised to His people. This is patently wrong and Judges 1 proves it.

Now, in this age: we know that the faithful people of God are Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language. We are the inheritors of the holy Land, Romans 9:24-26, but this time it will be the Lord who will totally clear and cleanse it for us. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
Great will be the Day! Isaiah 35:1-10

How do you square what is in Joshua 21:43-45 with Judges 1?

Was there more one piece of land in the promise?

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[keras]

What these verses describe will happen at the establishment of The Millennium Kingdom of Jesus AFTER Armageddon.

Armageddon happen during The Great Day of God's Vengeance and Wrath.

Both wrong and scripturally provable so.

Al the true faithful Christians will become citizens of the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5 and many other prophesies about this and how they [we] will choose our own leader. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11 Years BEFORE Jesus comes.

Armageddon happens at Jesus Return. He merely disposes of the armies by the Sword of His Word. Nothing like what is described over 100 times about the terrible fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis of the DoL.

 

[keras]

How do you square what is in Joshua 21:43-45 with Judges 1?
Was there more one piece of land in the promise?

The facts are that the ancient Israelites never did do what God told them to. They lived with the Canaanites and made some of them slaves, rather than driving them out as God required. The Philistines, Midianites, etc, gave them plenty of grief.
What Joshua said was that God had fulfilled His part, he omitted to say the Israelites failed in theirs.

Yes, there IS more Land in God's promise to Abraham and his descendants, natural and grafted in: Genesis 15:18. The ancient Kingdom of David and Solomon never extended to the Nile, or to all of the Euphrates. I believe the new nation of Beulah will encompass Israel, the Sinai up to the Nile, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Northern Arabia, and perhaps Cyprus.

 

[BABerean2]

The facts are that the ancient Israelites never did do what God told them to. They lived with the Canaanites and made some of them slaves, rather than driving them out as God required. The Philistines, Midianites, etc, gave them plenty of grief.
What Joshua said was that God had fulfilled His part, he omitted to say the Israelites failed in theirs.

Yes, there IS more Land in God's promise to Abraham and his descendants, natural and grafted in: Genesis 15:18. The ancient Kingdom of David and Solomon never extended to the Nile, or to all of the Euphrates. I believe the new nation of Beulah will encompass Israel, the Sinai up to the Nile, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Northern Arabia, and perhaps Cyprus.

Is it possible that at one time Joshua 21:43-45 was a fact as written, but then at some later point in time the Canaanites moved back into some of those areas?

That seems to be the only way to reconcile the two passages.

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[jgr]

The facts are that the ancient Israelites never did do what God told them to. They lived with the Canaanites and made some of them slaves, rather than driving them out as God required. The Philistines, Midianites, etc, gave them plenty of grief.
What Joshua said was that God had fulfilled His part, he omitted to say the Israelites failed in theirs.

Yes, there IS more Land in God's promise to Abraham and his descendants, natural and grafted in: Genesis 15:18. The ancient Kingdom of David and Solomon never extended to the Nile, or to all of the Euphrates. I believe the new nation of Beulah will encompass Israel, the Sinai up to the Nile, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Northern Arabia, and perhaps Cyprus.

Joshua 21:43 declares that God fulfilled His promise. Whatever Israel did or did not do thereafter does not invalidate that fulfillment.

 

[jgr]

The facts are that the ancient Israelites never did do what God told them to. They lived with the Canaanites and made some of them slaves, rather than driving them out as God required. The Philistines, Midianites, etc, gave them plenty of grief.
What Joshua said was that God had fulfilled His part, he omitted to say the Israelites failed in theirs.

Yes, there IS more Land in God's promise to Abraham and his descendants, natural and grafted in: Genesis 15:18. The ancient Kingdom of David and Solomon never extended to the Nile, or to all of the Euphrates. I believe the new nation of Beulah will encompass Israel, the Sinai up to the Nile, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Northern Arabia, and perhaps Cyprus.

This was covered in detail back in the summer beginning with this post, up to the end of that thread.

 

[Riberra]

Both wrong and scripturally provable so.

Al the true faithful Christians will become citizens of the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5 and many other prophesies about this and how they [we] will choose our own leader. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11 Years BEFORE Jesus comes.

Armageddon happens at Jesus Return. He merely disposes of the armies by the Sword of His Word. Nothing like what is described over 100 times about the terrible fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis of the DoL.

Armageddon will be the final destructive action occurring during of the Day of the Lord ...

Lets see what is at the program of the Day of the Lord...

The action will begin with Jesus coming as a thief in the night Revelation 16:15 ....the 7Th VIAL pertain to the Day Of The Lord [Revelation 16:17-21]....

-A TOTAL WORLDWIDE earthquake far greater than the 6th seal earthquake will level to the ground the cities of the world and the great mountains.

-During the earthquake Great Babylon will be punished with fire and brimstone -

-And also ,there will fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent:
a talent =100lbs

-And just before the marriage supper the Battle of Armageddon...

That is what is on the menu during the Day of The Lord.

Revelation 16:15-21 through Revelation 19:1-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Revelation 19.

Revelation 17 And Revelation 18 serve only to explain what is Great Babylon [its role during the tribulation] and why God is so angry about it...

 

[keras]

Lets see what is at the program of the Day of the Lord...

We are told very plainly that the Sixth Seal is the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
Why do you include events after that Day? Especially Armageddon, that happens at the glorious Return of Jesus; not the Day He judges all the world in His fury and retribution.
The Day of the Lord's wrath is just a single, literal day. Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-6, Revelation 18:8, Zephaniah 1:14-18

 

[Riberra]

The Day of the Lord's wrath is just a single, literal day. Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-6, Revelation 18:8, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Yes,The DAY of His coming as a thief...
Revelation 16:15-21 which will include the Battle of Armageddon.

 

[keras]

Is it possible that at one time Joshua 21:43-45 was a fact as written, but then at some later point in time the Canaanites moved back into some of those areas?

That seems to be the only way to reconcile the two passages.

No, that did not happen. The Israelites failed to do what God tasked them to do.
Try actually reading Judges 1:1-36 and cease making guesses that lower your integrity.

Why is it so difficult for people to see that it is our destiny, as the Christian people of God, to be the ones He has nurtured and prepared over the centuries, to be His witnesses and to display His Light to the nations, as we fulfil God's promises to the Patriarchs of their descendants, actual or spiritual, in all of the holy Land.

 

[keras]

Yes,The DAY of His coming as a thief...
Revelation 16:15-21 which will include the Battle of Armageddon.

When Jesus Returns, it will not be unexpected, as anyone with a copy of Revelation will know He will come exactly 1260 days after the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem.
The Day He comes as a thief, must be more than 7 years before His Return. Making the Day of wrath the same as the Return, contradicts all the prophesies about both events.

 

[Riberra]

When Jesus Returns, it will not be unexpected, as anyone with a copy of Revelation will know He will come exactly 1260 days after the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem.
The Day He comes as a thief, must be more than 7 years before His Return. Making the Day of wrath the same as the Return, contradicts all the prophesies about both events.

Yet ,Revelation 16:15-16 tell us when Jesus will come as a thief.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.

16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

 

[BABerean2]

No, that did not happen. The Israelites failed to do what God tasked them to do.
Try actually reading Judges 1:1-36 and cease making guesses that lower your integrity.

Why is it so difficult for people to see that it is our destiny, as the Christian people of God, to be the ones He has nurtured and prepared over the centuries, to be His witnesses and to display His Light to the nations, as we fulfil God's promises to the Patriarchs of their descendants, actual or spiritual, in all of the holy Land.

Brother Keras,

My integrity rests on accepting what is written in God's Word in Joshua 21:43-45 and Judges chapter 1, as the truth.

You seem to be attempting to ignore the passage from Joshua.
Both must be the truth.

I have no plans to go to earthly Jerusalem, because of what Christ told the woman at the well.

Joh 4:20　 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.　
Joh 4:21　 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.　
Joh 4:22　 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.　
Joh 4:23　 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.　
Joh 4:24　 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Christ told the woman at the well that we would not be worshipping in earthly Jerusalem.
I will have to take what He said over any man's interpretation.

We find the same thing in Hebrews 11:15-16.
Abraham is not looking forward to returning to Canaan Land.
He is looking for New Jerusalem.
I am looking for the same thing.

I love you, Brother.

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[keras]

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all arrogant evildoers will be as stubble, they will be destroyed in a fiery blaze.
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals upon the wicked.
Hebrews 10:27... a terrifying judgement of fire, that will consume God’s enemies.

2 Thess. 1:6-9 It is just that God should send affliction on those who afflict you, when the Lord is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in blazing fire. He will punish those who refuse to acknowledge or obey God. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, cut off from the Lord. [verse 10 tells of the later Return of Jesus in His glory] Isaiah 10:17

Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with 7 times its normal strength and the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty, His arm descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire, amid rain and hail storms.

Psalm 144:5-6 Lord part the heavens, make lightning flashes far and wide.

Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in the heavens, it descends in judgement.

Isaiah 66:15-17 The Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind, He will judge with fire. His sword will test mankind, many will be slain by Him.

Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, earthquakes and a flame of devouring fire.

Isaiah 9:18-19 The Land is scorched by the Lord, the people are fuel for the fire.

Deut 32:41-43 I will sharpen My flashing sword and take vengeance on those who hate Me. Rejoice, you heavens the Lord will avenge His people and cleanse their Land.

Isaiah 33:14 Sinners in Zion quake with terror- can any live in this devouring fire?

Jeremiah 21:14 I shall punish Judah as they deserve, I shall set fire to your scrubland.

Ezekiel 20:45-48 Prophesy to the scrubland of the Negev, I am about to kindle a fire in you- it will consume everything flammable. From the Negev, northward, everyone will be scorched by it. Reference: REB, NIV. Verses abridged.

All of these prophecies describe an event that cannot be reconciled with the Return of Jesus. At that time, He destroys the armies of the Anti-Christ, by the Sword of His Word. Zechariah 14:3, Revelation 19:15 & 21 They do not match the “sheep and goat” judgement in Matthew 25:31-46.
Also, at the end of the Millennium, the armies of the nations again attack – Rev. 20:7-10, but the context of the above passages rules out their application to that event.

We see, in Deuteronomy 32:34-43, that this judgement will cleanse the Land.
Many verses tell of a fire judgement upon Judah [the Jews] and the surrounding enemies, this will not be a nuclear exchange, as that would pollute the Land.

“Flames of devouring fire”– “fire in the Negev”- “arrows like lightning”- “consuming fire,” etc, all describe what would happen if a Coronal Mass Ejection [C.M.E.] struck the Middle East. The resulting population clearance, Ezekiel 30:1-5, will allow the fulfilment of the many prophecies which say how all the faithful Christian will gather and settle there. These events will disrupt the world economy and set the stage for the Anti-Christ as leader of the One World Govt.

 

[jgr]

Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in the heavens, it descends in judgement.

Isaiah 34:5 KJV
For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

 

[keras]

Isaiah 34:5 KJV
For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

I did say that I had abridged some of the quotes.
Isaiah 34:5 For My Sword appears in the heavens, see how it descends in Judgement upon Edom, on a people that I have doomed for destruction. REB.
This prophecy, along with over 100 others, proves that the Lord will instigate His Day of wrath from the heavens, that is: from space. We are told exactly where it comes from: the sun. Isaiah 30:26a
Edom refers to all the ungodly peoples and note in the next verse where Bozrah; means 'sheepfold', which is where God's people reside, will also be judged and punished.

 

[jgr]

I did say that I had abridged some of the quotes.
Isaiah 34:5 For My Sword appears in the heavens, see how it descends in Judgement upon Edom, on a people that I have doomed for destruction. REB.
This prophecy, along with over 100 others, proves that the Lord will instigate His Day of wrath from the heavens, that is: from space. We are told exactly where it comes from: the sun. Isaiah 30:26a
Edom refers to all the ungodly peoples and note in the next verse where Bozrah; means 'sheepfold', which is where God's people reside, will also be judged and punished.

Wasn't Idumea/Edom itself destroyed?

 

[keras]

Wasn't Idumea/Edom itself destroyed?

Yes, ancient Edom is basically no more. I have visited the hilltop city of Sela, no one there now!
But Edom is used in Isaiah 34:5 as a metaphor for the ungodly peoples. 'Babylon' and 'Ishmael' are also used in this way.
My reason for this thread, is to inform and warn people of the Lord's forthcoming Judgement of the nations. We, as the Lord's Christian people should be aware and not be in the dark about what He has planned to do with His Creation, that is once again as in the days of Noah.

 

[Riberra]

My reason for this thread, is to inform and warn people of the Lord's forthcoming Judgement of the nations. We, as the Lord's Christian people should be aware and not be in the dark about what He has planned to do with His Creation, that is once again as in the days of Noah.

Do you agree that the destruction of the 6TH seal will be caused by the GREAT EARTHQUAKE who will be provoked by God ....not because of a massive CME ?

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

People will momentary see HIM sitting on His Throne in Heaven when this happen....thus they will know that it is God direct action....IN THEIR PANIC they will believe [erroneously] that the great DAY OF GOD'S WRATH IS COME ...but they will realize that the END is not come yet ....All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Revelation 16:15-17
15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?

 

[keras]

Do you agree that the destruction of the 6TH seal will be caused by the GREAT EARTHQUAKE who will be provoked by God ....not because of a massive CME ?

I do not agree with anything that contradicts Bible prophecy and although Rev 6:12 omits the initial flash of a massive CME, this is well prophesied elsewhere. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Electro-Magnetic Pulse from a CME of unprecedented magnitude will microwave the earths crust and cause tectonic plate shift. Deuteronomy 32:22
As we see from Revelation 6:14b...every mountain and island moved....
You deny a CME, but have you any other explanation for the cosmic effects? How else could the moon shine as bright [red] as the sun? What about the 'stars' falling like ripe figs? I see them as our satellites crashing back to earth by the CME pressure wave.
This event IS the Lord's Day of wrath, the Bible says so: Revelation 6:17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 2:31