The king ahead of the vile person dies neither in battle nor anger.
This does not yet fit as to past days. Antichochus IV came to power by murder of a usurper. murder is anger
What is confusing you about this is you don't know who Daniel 11:36 is refering too. Follow the hyperlinks. there is no disputing this is Herod and Octavian.
Daniel 11 shows that the lands of Israel and Egypt are conquered first - then later comes tidings out of the north and the south - and he heads to attack those areas.
He has gained many ships and comes as a whirlwind. Herod was not even a king over an empire.
Yes I do struggle with those because there is no direct interpretation of them in scripture. So I offer my best guess based on the general thrust of prophecy that is interpreted. It can't disagree with what is interpreted. What EB Elliot is saying is about the same thing. The Holy Spirit and the Word coming through the pastors and the churches being murderd in an attempt to silance them.Sorry, I thought you were referring to me in that quote.
Thanks for the articles, I have just read most of them, I basically agree with most of them but you seem to struggle with Revelation mainly chaps. 11 and 12. For the witnesses who are also Candlesticks and Olive trees. (I don't know how the literalists take them as two people rather than Candlesticks or Olive trees.) Rev 1 :20 tells us that candlesticks are Churches.
E B Elliott interprets these as churches in the dark ages of Papal persecution. Two or three being the minimum number of witnesses required under the law. The Olive trees (sons of oil) being the godly pastors feeding the churches, led by the Holy Spirit.
2 Chronicles 15:6
“And nation was destroyed of nation, and city of city: for God did vex them with all adversity.”
-------This is similar to the nation shall rise against nation - kingdom against kingdom in Matthew 24.
I am not sure why you keep posting things like this which have nothing to with what we are discussing.
Apart from that, your quote is in the past tense.
Thanks DavidAnother useful book on Revelation is Key to the Apocalyspe By H Grattan Guinness, you can get it on Amazon in Kindle format if you with to pay for it, or you can download the PDF here for free. Key to the Apocalypse • Revival Fellowship New Zealand
Guinness bases his book on seven symbols which are divinely interpreted. It is easy reading and less than 70 pages in the PDF version.
Since I'm the one who initially started this thread, I was somewhat hoping that what I was wanting to discuss got discussed. Apparently not, though some of it did get discussed. I was mainly kind of wanting this discussion to be a debate between Premils and Amils, since two of the things I brought up thusfar, the first few verses in Isaiah 2 and Zech 14, where Premils typically see both still future, and that Amils don't, thus wanted to try and understand why Amils insist these can't be future after Christ has returned, regardless that I have been demonstrating contradictions if these are not meaning a time post the 2nd coming..
Seven angels are also mentioned in Rev 1:20John saw Rev. 15:1 and told us first there about what?
seven angels
After he introduces them to his readers, then what does he call them?
the seven angels
What does he call them in Rev. 8:2?
the seven angels