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Hi David -
Yes I am ... thanks for asking.
Galatians 5:22-23 comes to mind.
So also 1 John 5:2-3
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COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
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Hi David -
Yes I am ... thanks for asking.
Galatians 5:22-23 comes to mind.
So also 1 John 5:2-3
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LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GODS LAW IN US
The New Covenant promise....
Ezekiel 36:25-27
25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Hebrews 8:10-12
10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: 5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11, And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12, for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Love fulfills God's Law.....
Matthew 22:36-40
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the first and great commandment. 39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Whosoever keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments......
Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Love in action, comes by faith and faith come by hearing and hearing comes by the Word......
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Without love of God, we are nothing and err from the faith..........
James 2:14-17
14, What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James said without love, our faith is dead.
1 John 3:17-18
But whoso hath this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shutts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
John said without Gods love, God does not dwell in us.
Matthew 5:43-48
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Romans 13:10
Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
We cannot hate one person, but love all people. We have to have love with all people,or there is no faith. Love is greater than faith but if there is no faith there is no love............
Revelations 2:4-5
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Galatians 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love.
Faith works by love and love is the fulfilling of the law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.....................
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
No faith means no love for all people, even our enemies. If we hate even one person, or do not care about them according to the God's Word, then we lack faith and love...............
We are saved by grace through faith, so we have to have faith to have grace apply.
If we lack in love ,then our faith is dead, we have no grace and no salvation...........
James 2:21-24
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 See thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Abraham did the work of God,and his faith was made perfect, for a person is justified by works,and not faith alone, for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........
James 2:25-26
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rahab did the work of helping the 2 Jewish men and she was justified by her works,
for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........
Without works of love towards God and man,then faith is dead. This is not a part time thing, but all the time. Every thought must be to the obedience of Christ. We cannot hate one person but care and love all, even our enemies...........
God is love. God hates sin, and wants us to abstain from sin by the Spirit, to be right with Him. Sin does affect our relationship with God............
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love suffers long, and is kind; charity envies not; charity vaunts not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; 6 Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 Bares all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.....
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4). God is love and he that dwells in love dwells in God and he in him. Love is not selfish, not arrogant, and does not sin. This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 because if we break one we are guilty of breaking all. (Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:8-12; Hebrews Chapter 4; Mark 2:27-28). Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
May God bless you
The New Covenant promise....
Ezekiel 36:25-27
25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Hebrews 8:10-12
10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: 5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11, And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12, for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Love fulfills God's Law.....
Matthew 22:36-40
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the first and great commandment. 39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Whosoever keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments......
Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law
James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Love in action, comes by faith and faith come by hearing and hearing comes by the Word......
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Without love of God, we are nothing and err from the faith..........
James 2:14-17
14, What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James said without love, our faith is dead.
1 John 3:17-18
But whoso hath this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shutts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
John said without Gods love, God does not dwell in us.
Matthew 5:43-48
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Romans 13:10
Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13 To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
We cannot hate one person, but love all people. We have to have love with all people,or there is no faith. Love is greater than faith but if there is no faith there is no love............
Revelations 2:4-5
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Galatians 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love.
Faith works by love and love is the fulfilling of the law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.....................
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
No faith means no love for all people, even our enemies. If we hate even one person, or do not care about them according to the God's Word, then we lack faith and love...............
We are saved by grace through faith, so we have to have faith to have grace apply.
If we lack in love ,then our faith is dead, we have no grace and no salvation...........
James 2:21-24
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 See thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Abraham did the work of God,and his faith was made perfect, for a person is justified by works,and not faith alone, for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........
James 2:25-26
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rahab did the work of helping the 2 Jewish men and she was justified by her works,
for love is the fulfilling of God's Law through the Spirit of Love.........
Without works of love towards God and man,then faith is dead. This is not a part time thing, but all the time. Every thought must be to the obedience of Christ. We cannot hate one person but care and love all, even our enemies...........
God is love. God hates sin, and wants us to abstain from sin by the Spirit, to be right with Him. Sin does affect our relationship with God............
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love suffers long, and is kind; charity envies not; charity vaunts not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; 6 Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 Bares all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.....
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4). God is love and he that dwells in love dwells in God and he in him. Love is not selfish, not arrogant, and does not sin. This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 because if we break one we are guilty of breaking all. (Exodus 20:8-11; James 2:8-12; Hebrews Chapter 4; Mark 2:27-28). Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
May God bless you
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stuart lawrence
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When people only have the ability to copy/ paste the letter, but cannot respond when asked to do so concerning the letter they quote. When they cannot answer questions put to them, only deflect from doing so.
It says much
It says much
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stuart lawrence
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No love in demanding of others what you do not demand if yourself
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Excellent scriptures!
Anyone that does a cursory examination of the scriptures can see the connection between loving God and keeping His Instructions (Torah).
What is puzzling is that some believe that the Instructions (Torah) that is written on our hearts is different than what was written on stone. I'm not sure where or even why that belief has crept in. Well, I suppose I could guess why.
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It is difficult to understand what we should do with the Torah if we do not know our identity.
So, what is our identity in Messiah Yeshua?
Heb 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(God entered into this Covenant with the people of Israel, they are God's people. If anyone is not a part of Israel through the New Covenant they are not a part of God's people. God only has one people.)
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
One fold, not two!
Eph 2:19-20 Now therefore ye (Gentiles) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
A citizen is a member of a nation.
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
(If the Gentiles are not strangers but fellowcitizens then they are a part of Israel. If the Gentiles are of the same body as the believing Jews, like Paul was, then the commands that are for the Jews are for the Gentiles also. A house or "body" divided against itself will not stand but we know that the redeemed of God will be eternal. Therefore, the Jews and Gentiles are truly "one" in Messiah. How can anyone say that God's commands are for the Jews and not the Gentiles?)
Rom 11:17-18 And if some of the branches be broken off (natural branches, {Israelites}), and thou, being a wild olive tree (wild branches, {Gentiles}), wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Notice the all important key words; "Among them" and "With them".
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
This point is clear, the Gentiles are grafted into Israel's olive tree with Yeshua being the root. The Gentiles do not become Jews but they do become citizens of Israel according to God. The Torah (Law), which includes the commands, was given to Israel.
Knowing our identity is key to understanding our relationship to God's Torah (Teaching and Instruction).
So, what is our identity in Messiah Yeshua?
Heb 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(God entered into this Covenant with the people of Israel, they are God's people. If anyone is not a part of Israel through the New Covenant they are not a part of God's people. God only has one people.)
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
One fold, not two!
Eph 2:19-20 Now therefore ye (Gentiles) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
A citizen is a member of a nation.
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
(If the Gentiles are not strangers but fellowcitizens then they are a part of Israel. If the Gentiles are of the same body as the believing Jews, like Paul was, then the commands that are for the Jews are for the Gentiles also. A house or "body" divided against itself will not stand but we know that the redeemed of God will be eternal. Therefore, the Jews and Gentiles are truly "one" in Messiah. How can anyone say that God's commands are for the Jews and not the Gentiles?)
Rom 11:17-18 And if some of the branches be broken off (natural branches, {Israelites}), and thou, being a wild olive tree (wild branches, {Gentiles}), wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Notice the all important key words; "Among them" and "With them".
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
This point is clear, the Gentiles are grafted into Israel's olive tree with Yeshua being the root. The Gentiles do not become Jews but they do become citizens of Israel according to God. The Torah (Law), which includes the commands, was given to Israel.
Knowing our identity is key to understanding our relationship to God's Torah (Teaching and Instruction).
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I want to labor this point of only one people.
Out of only two groups, or things, how many can be chosen? The answer can only be ONE. If both groups are included then there is no distinction, and no choice has been made.
Is this a clear principle?
Now, according to God, there are only two groups of people on the earth; Israel and the nations (the rest of the peoples).
"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deut 7:6
It was He who made the distinction as an act of His choosing. He is God and He gets to do that.
Now that we have established that God has chosen a people from the entire earth, namely Israel, what about the church? Can the church be another “chosen” people? Well again, there can only be one “choice” from two possibilities.
What can we know for sure about Israel? They are chosen, they are a kingdom of priests, they are a holy (set apart) people unto God.
What can we say for sure about the church? [The word “church” means the “called out” or “set apart” people].
Is there any doubt that God ONLY has ONE chosen people? If so, put it to rest.
Rom 3:30-31 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
I Cor 6:16-17 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Gal 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Eph 2:14,18 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I know of no Scripture that identifies two groups of "chosen" people of God. It has always been Israel, It still is Israel. Are you a part of God's people?
Out of only two groups, or things, how many can be chosen? The answer can only be ONE. If both groups are included then there is no distinction, and no choice has been made.
Is this a clear principle?
Now, according to God, there are only two groups of people on the earth; Israel and the nations (the rest of the peoples).
"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deut 7:6
It was He who made the distinction as an act of His choosing. He is God and He gets to do that.
Now that we have established that God has chosen a people from the entire earth, namely Israel, what about the church? Can the church be another “chosen” people? Well again, there can only be one “choice” from two possibilities.
What can we know for sure about Israel? They are chosen, they are a kingdom of priests, they are a holy (set apart) people unto God.
What can we say for sure about the church? [The word “church” means the “called out” or “set apart” people].
Is there any doubt that God ONLY has ONE chosen people? If so, put it to rest.
Rom 3:30-31 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
I Cor 6:16-17 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Gal 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Eph 2:14,18 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I know of no Scripture that identifies two groups of "chosen" people of God. It has always been Israel, It still is Israel. Are you a part of God's people?
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Yes I have.
Here is an interesting passage that is related.
Jer 11:16-17 The Lord called your name,
“A green olive tree, beautiful in fruit and form”;
With the noise of a great tumult
He has kindled fire on it,
And its branches are worthless.
17 The Lord of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced evil against you because of the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done to provoke Me by offering up sacrifices to Baal.
Here is an interesting passage that is related.
Jer 11:16-17 The Lord called your name,
“A green olive tree, beautiful in fruit and form”;
With the noise of a great tumult
He has kindled fire on it,
And its branches are worthless.
17 The Lord of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced evil against you because of the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done to provoke Me by offering up sacrifices to Baal.
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You replied that you have seen an olive tree.
The olive tree has separate branches that form the trunk of the tree. We Gentiles were grafted into the root of the olive tree, not onto one of the branches. Gentiles are directly rooted into Christ, we are the body of Christ, members of God's household.
Gentiles never become Jews, we are a new creation in Christ, behold all things are new!
There are no Jews or Greeks in the kingdom of Christ.
The olive tree has separate branches that form the trunk of the tree. We Gentiles were grafted into the root of the olive tree, not onto one of the branches. Gentiles are directly rooted into Christ, we are the body of Christ, members of God's household.
Gentiles never become Jews, we are a new creation in Christ, behold all things are new!
There are no Jews or Greeks in the kingdom of Christ.
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Yes, olive trees have branches.
In the scriptures they are described as "natural branches" and "wild branches".
As someone who has done some grafting on fruit trees, I can say that the branch that is grafted into the tree is done on a branch that is removed partially. It is not grafted into the root.
There are certain pines that I'm aware of that can be grafted into a root. For instance, a white pine can be grafted into another pine near the root (base of trunk) to make the tree hardier. However, it now is considered a white pine regardless of the root that it is grafted into. I had a white pine bonsai that was grafted into another trunk.
The scriptures speak about "branches being removed" so that another branch can be grafted in. It is clear that this is the normal way of grafting a fruit tree. It is not grafted into the root.
The Scripture also says that it is "their own olive tree", speaking of Israel.
But please don't take my word on it, let's read it from the text;
Rom 11:1,17-24 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
No argument that the root supports the tree, but the branches are grafted into the places where other branches are broken off.
There is a difference between an ethnic identity of a Jew and a national identity of an Israelite.
Not all Jews are Israelites and not all Israelites are
Jews.
Now to the point; Are you suggesting that there is another group besides Israel that God has chosen?
A related question is; If you believe that there is another group, what position does Israel have, if you believe that Israel still has a position?
Keep in mind that Paul begins this portion of scripture with the declaration that Israel has not been rejected and he ends it with "their own olive tree".
Last question. Do these facts indicate to you that we are grafted into one group which still contains the identity of Israel? Some would further define this group as the redeemed of Israel or the remnant of Israel, as I would probably qualify them as well.
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Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged...
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Who are Israel?
Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;
For it is written…
Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ
Now who is Abraham’s seed?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
More?
Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Who is the New Covenant for?
Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
If you believe God's Word and are Christs you are Abraham's seed and part of God's Israel.....
Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
God's Israel are the same that they have always been. Israel represent God’s followers that believe and obey God's Word. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12). Gentile believers are now grafted in and are also God's Israel in Christ and Abraham's seed (Romans 11:1-27; Galatians 3:39)
In Christ Always!
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Who are Israel?
Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;
For it is written…
Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ
Now who is Abraham’s seed?
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
More?
Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Who is the New Covenant for?
Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
If you believe God's Word and are Christs you are Abraham's seed and part of God's Israel.....
Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
God's Israel are the same that they have always been. Israel represent God’s followers that believe and obey God's Word. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12). Gentile believers are now grafted in and are also God's Israel in Christ and Abraham's seed (Romans 11:1-27; Galatians 3:39)
In Christ Always!
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Great!
You'd be surprised how many people say that Israel is now over and the "church" is now God's people. Also, that God's instruction (Torah) is over and done away with instead of being written on our hearts.
As you have illustrated, there are numerous scriptures that put the real picture together for us.
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Yes I have come across a few. I think many need to believe so in order to hold on to their interpretations of scripture. We must believe the Word of God over the teaching's of man but spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The spirit from God is only given to those that love and follow him. How can we know him if we do not believe what he says? Happy Sabbath friend
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Hello Dig4truth.
Thanks for your reply.
Olive trees do not have a trunk, that is why the olive tree was chosen by Paul.
Correct, may I add that Paul says, 'were grafted in among them'. Paul does not say that the Gentile branches are grafted onto the Jewish branches. We Gentiles stand among the Jewish believers, grafted into the root. An olive tree does not look like other trees.
Correct, but an olive tree is not an ordinary tree, we are not grafted onto the end of a Jewish branch. The scripture says, 'remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you'.
As I said before the branch of an olive tree is not attached to the trunk of an olive tree. Hence, remove a branch from an olive tree and you remove the entire branch from the root itself.
The scripture does not say what you just said.
This can get complex, there are a variety of definitions of what defines a Jew.
Yes, God broke the previous covenant He had with that old theocratic Israel, and established a new covenant with all nations.
Israel as a nation has not existed for two thousand years, there is no getting around this fact. The old was replaced by the new, a new covenant was established by Christ in His blood. There is now no difference between a Jew and a Gentile, the Jews no longer are considered to be the chosen, the elect nation. The new covenant is by faith and not by works, the family tree has no bearing in the new covenant. A direct descendant of Abraham holds no privilege over anyone else.
Yet the old covenant that God had with Israel was terminated by Christ. Thus the distinction that Paul makes between Jew and Gentile became a redundant argument. The nation of Israel that Paul knew when he wrote the letter to the Romans, became an extinct identity not long after Paul wrote the letter.
The identity of theocratic Israel disappeared two thousand years ago. I only recognize the new creation in which there is neither Jew or Greek. Only one group, one people, one faith, one Lord.
God cancelled that old covenant with the nation of Israel, that is scripture. After all, it was all really about the promise Himself and not the bloodline.
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Hello LoveGodsWord.Hi Everyone,
I am new here so nice to meet you all. I thought this may be a good because there seems to be a lot of confusion over the scriptures found in Colosians Chapter 2; especially verses 14-17. This chapter has its basis from the Old Testaments scriptures so this is a study looking at the context and scripture references that are being referred to in this Chapter. I hope you all get a blessing out of of this OP. I believe when sharing God's Word we should correctly divide the Word of truth line upon line and precept upon precept. Anyhow I would like to share this study with you all
PART 1
Colossians 2:14-17,
14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath(s): 17, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Colossians 2:14
Let’s start with the context of Colossians 2:16-17. The context is verse 14 which is the blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away) the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross.
The next question we need to consider is what is the handwriting of ordinances that are to be erased and nailed to the cross?
The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree;
The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.
What is the legal written document or book (handwriting of ordinances) that includes the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws referring to?
There was two sets of laws that were given to God’s people in the Old Testament scriptures.
(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).
(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)
From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).
The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). The handwriting of ordinances (ceremonial laws and ordinances written in a book) is referring to the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses which included the Jewish annual festivals and sin offerings that pointed to Jesus.
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross?
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Col 2:14; John 3:16).
Colossians 2:14 is the context of Colossians 2:16-17. The context is that all the ceremonial laws of Moses pointing to the plan of salvation and Jesus have been fulfilled and nailed to the cross and along with our sins, if we accept Jesus as our true Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29). We are no longer under the Old Covenant laws of Moses. These do not include God’s Law which is forever (Ecc 3:14).
Now we have looked at the context of Colossians 2:16-17 by looking at verse 14 above and we know what it actually is that it is the ceremonial laws and sin offerings that are nailed to the cross along with our sins, let’s look at Colossians 2:16-17.
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day(s): 17, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Here is the actual Greek to English translation of Col 2:16-17 verses from the interlinear:
16 Not therefore anyone you let judge in regards to food or in regards to drink or in regards to a feast (or festival) or a new moon or Sabbath(s). 17 which are a shadow of things coming but body
In Col 2:16 the word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - in the Greek means a "feast" or "festival;"
Now, notice the key context within Col 2:16-17; No one is to judge you in regards to meat or drink, a feast or festival, or of the New Moon or of sabbath(s).
The Greek word for sabbath used in Col 2:16 G4521; σάββατο; is sabbaton which means to cease from secular labor, stop work, rest. It does not necessarily need to refer to the 7th Day Sabbath commandment. In Leviticus Chapter 23, there is special days within the Jewish annual festivals which are called a Holy convocation. There are special days that can fall on any day of the week. They are not a regular weekly 7th day Sabbath according to God’s Law (Ex 20:8-11) but are a sabbaton (Greek) in that no secular work was allowed and work was to cease and these Holy convocations were days of rest although not a Sabbath from God’s Law (10 commandments) they were a sabbath (sabbaton) as used in the Greek.
Scripture point summary:
1. Blotting out or nailing the handwriting of ordinances to the cross is referring to the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws of Moses which includes all the sin offerings and laws relating to sin offering that pointed to the plan of salvation and Jesus (v14)
2. Jesus at the cross triumphing over principalities and powers (v 15)
3. No one to Judge you in meat and drink, festivals, new moon of the sabbath(s) (v16). Holy-day in the Greek means a festival and sabbath(s) in the Greek in this verse means sabbaton which simply means to cease from secular work and rest. It does not have to mean a 7th Day Sabbath (Ex 20:8-11)
4. The meat and drink, festivals, new moons or of the sabbath(s) are a shadow of things to come (v17)
Context within Col 2:16-17:
(1) meat or drink
(2) feast or festival
(3) new moons
(4) sabbath(s)
(5) Above were shadows of things to come
So the overall context of Col 2:16-17 is in not judging in regards to meat and drink, festivals (feast days), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses (v 14)
Col 2 is talking about the ceremonial laws from Moses which also included the annual festivals of Lev 23; Deut 10; Numb 27 and 28. Now let’s have a look at the Old Testament scriptures to see what Col 2 is talking about. Remember the overall context is in regards to meat and drink, feast days (festivals), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses that were completed and nailed to the cross. If we can find references to the above context of Col 2:16 it will help us to understand what Col 2:14-17 is talking about because these are all shadows that pointed to Jesus.
Old Testament references to Col 2:16-17; with the same scripture context:
Col 2:16-17,
Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Eze 45:17-21,
It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbaths, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
1Ch 23:31
and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.
2Ch 2:4,
Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.
Hos 2:11,
I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.
It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.
The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)
A High Sabbath day however was when I Holy convocation annual feast day falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).
All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)
So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.
Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses in the annual ceremonial Feast days of Lev 23; Deut and Numbers that all pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the Cross including the annual new moon feast Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week.
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What is the difference between God's 7th Day weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and the annual ceremonial Sabbaths for feast days of Col 2:16?
As mentioned earlier to help understand the difference between these days you need to understand the purposes of the two laws, 1. God’s Law and 2. The ceremonial laws of Moses. As mentioned shown above
(1) God’s Law reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.
Scripture proof:
Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14
(2) The laws of Moses was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonements for God’s people.
Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more.
Every Old Testament scripture reference in connection to Col 2:16 is in relation to (1) burnt offerings; (2) Sabbaths held at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals and (3) food and drink offerings. The context is referring to the annual ceremonial feast days described in Leviticus Chapter 23; Numbers chapters 28 and 29. As mentioned earlier these were all done away at the cross because they were Shadows of an unfinished work that was completed at the death of Jesus (Col 2:14-17).
Let’s now look at what the 4th commandment from God’s Law in the 10 commandments and look at what it actually says?
Exo 20:8-11,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.
Now please notice some key points;
Where does it say in the 4th commandment of God’s Law that we need to do (1) burnt offerings (2) keep the annual Sabbaths at the New Moons at the appointed festivals and (3) offer food and drink offerings? It does not because it is God’s Law and it only points out sin and righteousness. It is the same Law that we have today and is forever because it was made by God himself and represents the character of God and is the knowledge of good and evil. It shows us what sin is (Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23).
Now notice the last part of the commandment in Ex 20:11 this is the reason the commandment was given. (v11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.
This is a reference back to Gen 2:1-3. What does Genesis 2:1-3 teach us about God’s 4th commandment the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments?
GEN 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7th Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7th Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7th Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation
Critical questions and answers:
When was God’s 7th Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7th Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!
Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7th Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!
When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.
So in summary the 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.
Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)
* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)
* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)
* The in text context of Col 2:16 is referring to the Old Testament scriptures word for word in relation to the laws of Moses (Col 2:16-17; Eze 45:17-21; 1Ch 23:31; 2Ch 2:4; Hos 2:11; Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)
* God’s Law (10 commandments) was the work of God himself and separate from every other law given to Israel. Its role was to point out sin
* The laws of Moses were to teach Israel the plan of salvation pointing to Jesus which was completed at the death of Jesus. It could not identify sin but its provided a cure for sin in animal sacrificed and burnt offerings and food and drink offerings which all pointed to Jesus (Col 2:14-17)
* Col 2:16 is referring to the annual New Moon ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and food and drink offerings and not the 4th commandment of God’s Law.
* God’s 4th commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7th day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.
Closing remarks:
Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man. He is the God of creation that made it for mankind. God commands us to keep the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day because he rested on this day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. If we love him we must follow Him (Mark 2:27-28; John 14:15)
Hope this helps the faithful Bereans.
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