The New Revised Bibles, Fines, Prison and Closed Megachurches...?

[GoldenKingGaze]

I suggest the hypothesis of a Canada in which any Pastor, priest or professor suggesting Jesus would in the end condemn unrepentant fornicators, lovers, homosexuals and lesbians... was fined or imprisoned or fired leading to the closure of megachurches, churches, Bible colleges and missions. Further that the Bible without censure or omissions was banned. Christian activity in public would be limited and only in secret would true preaching take place. Christians especially pastors would lose their property in fines.

Christian businesses would close or compromise. Children would sometimes turn their parents into the authorities for true teaching, and be considered brave.

The result could be a great fall of preachers from pulpits to streets to prisons or to go abroad and some on missions considered illegal. Some listeners to preachings would be touched by the Holy Spirit and be unable but to confess their sins as witnesses to the reality of an unchanging Christ and immediately be fined.

If this happened and we were there, would you compromise, or be firm? Would another Jesus definition be good or okay? Could it still be church? Would it be worth going on a new Jesus for Africa mission? Would you worship new Jesus? Would you go to prison for the original revelation? What would one do if one still needed to overcome sins and be set free? Could you endure a homeless winter?

 

[Targaryen]

I thought this forum was about mission, not comedy.

 

[A_Thinker]

I suggest the hypothesis of a Canada in which any Pastor, priest or professor suggesting Jesus would condemn fornicators, lovers, homosexuals and lesbians...

One might note that Jesus declined to condemn the woman caught in adultery. He came much closer to condemining the religiously oppressive ...

 

[A_Thinker]

If this happened and we were there, would you compromise, or be firm? Would another Jesus definition be good or okay? Could it still be church? Would it be worth going on a new Jesus for Africa mission? Would you worship new Jesus? Would you go to prison for the original revelation? What would one do if one still needed to overcome sins and be set free? Could you endure a homeless winter?

All of this ... based upon Jesus' teaching regarding homosexual relationships ? If I recall, Jesus, in all of His condemnations of Israelite behavior, ... never touched upon the subject of homosexuality.

I think that, perhaps, we give the subject more attention and concern ... than Jesus ever did ...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

One might note that Jesus declined to condemn the woman caught in adultery. He came much closer to condemining the religiously oppressive ...

Yes I know, Jesus came with grace and truth and warning that we must believe in Him and pass from judgment through Him. Revelation writes of those who will be condemned in the end, after grace has run it's full course.

 

[Targaryen]

Yes I know, Jesus came with grace and truth and warning that we must believe in Him and pass from judgment through Him. Revelation writes of those who will be condemned in the end, after grace has run it's full course.

I don't know why Christians seem to rejoice for condemnations or seek to fling out hate or seem to think that society as a whole is worse then it ever was here and now. Christ came to save the world. In HIS own way, not what those that wish to confuse borderline hate and general mistrust of people as the OP really seems to be, for a lack of Christian will still remaining.

And that bothers me. Christ didn't come to save us so we could then push out hate. He came to save us all, cause we all needed it.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

All of this ... based upon Jesus' teaching regarding homosexual relationships ? If I recall, Jesus, in all of His condemnations of Israelite behavior, ... never touched upon the subject of homosexuality.

I think that, perhaps, we give the subject more attention and concern ... than Jesus ever did ...

Except that He still thinks of it. Sy Rogers as a homosexual was touched by the Holy Spirit and discovered grace, by surprise. He has his own ministry now.

People don't know Jesus as is, and are surprised by grace. What happens if people only worship a human defined Jesus, who is permissive, and are not touched by grace?

 

[Targaryen]

*facepalms*

And you're doing as much human defining, in guise of the Bible as you want to accuse others with. So we play at double standards now,right? Others can't be equally touched or driven by the Spirit if it doesn't fit your own criteria?

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Would you worship new Jesus?

Probably not. Jesus didn't tell us to worship Him. He told us to worship God The Father.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I don't know why Christians seem to rejoice for condemnations or seek to fling out hate or seem to think that society as a whole is worse then it ever was here and now. Christ came to save the world. In HIS own way, not what those that wish to confuse borderline hate and general mistrust of people as the OP really seems to be, for a lack of Christian will still remaining.

And that bothers me. Christ didn't come to save us so we could then push out hate. He came to save us all, cause we all needed it.

I do not rejoice for condemnation Targaryen. Society has better rights now than ever before, still combating slavery... but pride comes before a fall and Christians could face persecution a lot more in the realm of the hypothesis. It has before in Europe and does in the middle east. I do not apologise for not trusting people.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Probably not. Jesus didn't tell us to worship Him. He told us to worship God The Father.

You recall Jesus accepted worship with no corrections given?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

*facepalms*

And you're doing as much human defining, in guise of the Bible as you want to accuse others with. So we play at double standards now,right? Others can't be equally touched or driven by the Spirit if it doesn't fit your own criteria?

Not my criteria but the example beginning in 2 John about Christ really having a human body.

 

[Targaryen]

I do not rejoice for condemnation Targaryen. Society has better rights now than ever before, still combating slavery... but pride comes before a fall and Christians could face persecution a lot more in the realm of the hypothesis. It has before in Europe and does in the middle east. I do not apologise for not trusting people.

And this helps with Christian mission how exactly? Prevent the spreading of God's love in the face of fear of things that are not out of control by and large, yes, we all face challenges. But to face the world with this fear in your heart is not what we are told by Christ, and it does nothing to help teach the world about his love and forgiveness.

 

[A_Thinker]

People don't know Jesus as is, and are surprised by grace. What happens if people only worship a human defined Jesus, who is permissive, and are not touched by grace?

What could be more permissive than ... "I will forgive all of your sins."

Note ... I am not saying that Jesus was not concerned with our sinfulness, ... but He seemed to be more interested in SAVING us from our sinfulness ...

I think that Jesus' church could take a page out of Jesus' playbook by being much less condemning of people ... and more willing to minister to them ...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

What could be more permissive than ... "I will forgive all of your sins."

Note ... I am not saying that Jesus was not concerned with our sinfulness, ... but He seemed to be more interested in SAVING us from our sinfulness ...

In the hypothetical, I make up the bleak future. Forgiving isn't permitting. How can one repent and be forgiven unless one knows that by fornicating we have hurt ourselves and others?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

And this helps with Christian mission how exactly? Prevent the spreading of God's love in the face of fear of things that are not out of control by and large, yes, we all face challenges. But to face the world with this fear in your heart is not what we are told by Christ, and it does nothing to help teach the world about his love and forgiveness.

I best overcome fear. I am thinking about what I will do if worst comes to worst. Look at Swedish Drs, they are required to perform abortions. There is a secular challenge.

 

[Targaryen]

In the hypothetical, I make up the bleak future. Forgiving isn't permitting. How can one repent and be forgiven unless one knows that by fornicating we have hurt ourselves and others?

Here's the question I always think when this type of argument is used.

Are you God to decide this for him?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Here's the question I always think when this type of argument is used.

Are you God to decide this for him?

I believe in determining history rather than saying whatever will be will be. Hypothetical for foresight. To pray against.

 

[Ken Rank]

I don't know why Christians seem to rejoice for condemnations or seek to fling out hate or seem to think that society as a whole is worse then it ever was here and now.

Because Christianity has become a Munchausen syndrome movement.

There are exceptions, of course.

 

[Targaryen]

I believe in determining history rather than saying whatever will be will be. Hypothetical for foresight. To pray against.

And what do you think others are doing as well? Only, with less inherant fear and more out of a need, to actually make society better. Which, is what our mission should be. Rather then ranting and railing against hypotheticals, that will not happen.