Amongst Women......."caire kecharetomene"
Undertranslated as "full of grace" means more like "has been perfected by grace" And is used as a title not an adjective so means in effect "grace personified"
So when we ask our Lord in the Lords prayer: "keep
us free from temptation (to sin)" - do you doubt His ability to keep free from temptation , even for the one whom "the lord is with her" the one "full of grace"? Honours that are unique amongst human Kind. No other is given such titles.
I apply the part where we presume the Lord can do what he says! Keep her free from temptation. Which for one whom the " lord is with her" " completely full of grace"Seems you want to apply the lords prayer of temptation keeping to mary but what about the part were we ask forgivness of sins? You cant have it both ways
I apply the part where we presume the Lord can do what he says! Keep her free from temptation. Which for one whom the " lord is with her" " completely full of grace"
Is not difficult for our Lord. Nor is it surprising, that God would do so for the one predestined to be the guardian and early teacher of our Lord.
What sin do you say she committed?
Can you quote anyone who states, suggests or infers her being married to Joseph was in any way sinful?If I were to believe some of the folks here at CF, the most horrendous sin she committed was being married to Joseph.
Can you quote anyone who states, suggests or infers her being married to Joseph was in any way sinful?
No? I thought so.
1. Wait that prayer for keeping us from temptation was told to his disciples not mary although it is for all who are saved not just mary and yet all sin - you presume but scripture clearly stats All have sinned and all is mary... yet you deny scripture and presume that you are right and God is wrong....I apply the part where we presume the Lord can do what he says! Keep her free from temptation. Which for one whom the " lord is with her" " completely full of grace"
Is not difficult for our Lord. Nor is it surprising, that God would do so for the one predestined to be the guardian and early teacher of our Lord.
What sin do you say she committed?
The bible clearly stats Jesus was sinless and you know this yet you used it to try and make a point against scripture that say's all have sinned.All have sinned" is a statement which can't possibly be literally true. Our Lord did not sin.
Rom. 3:23 – Some Protestants use this verse “all have sinned” in an attempt to prove that Mary was also with sin. But “all have sinned ” only means that all are subject to original sin. Mary was spared from original sin by God, not herself
If you're not going to actually read my post, please don't reply to it. Thanks!The bible clearly stats Jesus was sinless and you know this yet you used it to try and make a point against scripture that say's all have sinned.
I dont think he was calling it sinful but more along the line that mary is soooooo sinless and godly that her only donwfall was joe..... he was holding her back from stardom I tell ya, the big city lights were at her beckon call but joe...always joe keepin her down... in other words you have all built mary up a 100 fold what the bible tells us about her....Can you quote anyone who states, suggests or infers her being married to Joseph was in any way sinful?
No? I thought so.
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The beliefs the Church Fathers had of Our Lady is pretty similar to what we traditional Christians believe today. Some of those writings were written during the lifetimes of apostles. Others were written during the lifetimes of the apostles immediate successors.I dont think he was calling it sinful but more along the line that mary is soooooo sinless and godly that her only donwfall was joe..... he was holding her back from stardom I tell ya, the big city lights were at her beckon call but joe...always joe keepin her down... in other words you have all built mary up a 100 fold what the bible tells us about her....