Who will win the Mars race?

[JacksBratt]

All those satellite dishes are a vast hoax, then...

Well, unless you think your TV HD signal is sent 22,000 miles from a small metal object in "geosynchronous" orbit.

Seriously? I used to think this way until I started hearing that the ISS loses it's communications on certain parts of it's orbit. How is this possible if they have Satellites floating around all over and some 22,000 miles away.

If I could receive a HD TV signal from 22,000 miles away, why would they not just send it around the globe by towers which would be a fraction of this distance? Now, I can send a signal for High Speed Internet to these same satellites and receive back.... I seriously doubt that... and not one has been knocked out by a space rock or solar flare? Or affected by the radiation of the Van Allen Belt?

Another thing... I have set up and aimed many satellite dishes. They do need to be fairly fine tuned as to how well they are aimed at the horizon. However, not nearly as finely aimed as to align with a satellite 22,000 miles away.

Also, why are all these satellites in the southern hemisphere? The population is in the Northern hemisphere north of the equator. To be efficient, more customers would have less obstruction with buildings, trees and topographical issues if these satellites where over the northern hemisphere and the dishes would point straight up.

In the end, these electronic space buckets are miles away, in harsh conditions of massive temperature swings, radiation and other elements.... It is not up to me to explain what it is that I am getting my TV signal from.

Saying that the harsh conditions must not effect them because I have TV is not evidence enough to prove that they, in fact, do have satellites. That's like a kid saying there must be a Santa Clause because there are presents under the tree every Christmas morning and they don't have the knowledge to figure out the truth.

I don't know where my signal comes from for my TV. BUT, my dish is aimed almost parallel to the ground and the conditions in space would kill any electronic device.

 

[Radagast]

I don't know where my signal comes from for my TV.

 

[GUANO]

Mars (the spirit of war) will most likely come to earth once again before these dreams are realized. Space exploration (which is just a front for the development of better weapons) is a huge waste of engineering talent and money that would be better used solving the problems we have here. Space exploration is vanity (meaningless & pointless). Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of science, engineering, and great feats of humankind.

 

[Radagast]

I would have liked to see a moon colony too and it may still happen. The moon is an easier tourist destination. I do not think a Mars initiative and a moon one are mutually exclusive - especially regarding the rocket lift capability. But the money and interest seem to be with Mars right now. Also the moon and Mars bases are different kinds of challenge.

I personally don't think Mars or Moon colonies are worth the money.

But a Moon colony probably makes a better initial test of the idea, imho. It's easier to resupply in an emergency, and easier to evacuate if need be.

 

[mindlight]

Nobody or no robot or no satellite is going to space. The temperatures of space are extreme and will fry any electronics, and melt circuit boards..... Unless you know how your cell phone would last in an oven at 250 degrees Fahrenheit or function at minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit.

This solar radiation heats the space near Earth to 393.15 kelvins (120 degrees Celsius or 248 degrees Fahrenheit) or higher, while shaded objects plummet to temperatures lower than 173.5 kelvins (minus 100 degrees Celsius or minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit).

from: The Temperatures of Outer Space Around the Earth

Astronomers tell us that the solar wind and interstellar gas clouds are over a thousand degrees and sometimes in the millions, but also that the cosmic background temperature is minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit. A thermometer in space will read somewhere between these two extremes, depending on whether it's in the sun or the shade.

From: What's the Temperature in Outer Space?

OK you make some rather outrageous statements and these need debunking:

1) TV Signals are not sent from GEO orbit cause the electronics would be fried at that level. Also I tilt my dish to the South so it is not straight up


Quite simply FALSE. GEO satellites are equatorial(hence the tilt). It is simple trignometry to check out the altitude given angles and known distances to where they are tracked to over the earth. They generally fail cause they run out of the fuel they need to retain their positions rather than fried electrics


2) Not possible for people to live in deep space cause of cosmic radiation


It is a challenge and never perfect but already been achieved with ISS and Apollo. Basically aluminimum, polyethelene and compounds with heavy atomic numbers all do a lot. Putting water tanks between you and the sun would also help. Certain drugs can help apparently also. The nuclear industry and people who build fallout shelters have been thinking about this for years.


3) We never went to the moon cause it is impossible


The USSR disgareed and a lot of others who resented the achievement. There are pictures from recent satellites of the Apollo landers still on the moon. It was not impossible.


25 Space Conspiracies That Just Won't Die


4) Pictures of earth from space are faked


If they are that is a lot of effort. Cause there are hundreds of thousands of pictures from space



5) The Lunar Module was not big enough to achieve escape velocity


It only needed 1/6th the escape velocity, the Lunar return vehicle was a fraction of the weight of what was sent out there, there is no air drag on the moon

 

[erealmz]

Mars (the spirit of war) will most likely come to earth once again before these dreams are realized. Space exploration (which is just a front for the development of better weapons) is a huge waste of engineering talent and money that would be better used solving the problems we have here. Space exploration is vanity (meaningless & pointless). Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of science, engineering, and great feats of humankind.

According to everything you just said, I think I just got you wrong.

 

[GUANO]

According to everything you just said, I think I just got you wrong.

Not sure what you mean by that but I'll take it as a compliment

 

[Tolworth John]

Would you consider moving to a Mars base?

What are the key ingredients for success and challenges to overcome for a Mars mission?

A manned mission to Mars, 9 mths to get there 18 mths on the planet and another 9 mths to return using the most economical route.
A plane where it's summer is similar to an artic summer, an atmosphere that is closer to vacume than an atmosphere. No oxygen in the 'atmosphere'.

Where are the unfortunet victims going to live, have the enormous amount of space to grow plants for air and water purifcation and supply food.

How will they transport a building big enough that will cope with -40 c temp, high speed winds and high levels of ultra violet?

An victim will be sick from 9 mths of low gravity and high radiation, then having to work on a planet and still be exposed to radition, the odds are they'll die before they can return to space.

 

[Nithavela]

A manned mission to Mars, 9 mths to get there 18 mths on the planet and another 9 mths to return using the most economical route.
A plane where it's summer is similar to an artic summer, an atmosphere that is closer to vacume than an atmosphere. No oxygen in the 'atmosphere'.

Where are the unfortunet victims going to live, have the enormous amount of space to grow plants for air and water purifcation and supply food.

How will they transport a building big enough that will cope with -40 c temp, high speed winds and high levels of ultra violet?

An victim will be sick from 9 mths of low gravity and high radiation, then having to work on a planet and still be exposed to radition, the odds are they'll die before they can return to space.

Odds are everyone is going to die.

 

[Tolworth John]

Odds are everyone is going to die.

True, I'd rather die at home surrounded by greaving family. Then on an alien planet being watched by helpless controllors, the media etc or even worse because there is no power for heat, communications etc alone in the dark.

 

[Goatee]

JacksBratt

Sorry buddy but I think you have been watching the wrong YouTube videos! Seems to me that you love conspiracy theories and I even guess you believe the earth is flat too!

 

[Nithavela]

True, I'd rather die at home surrounded by greaving family. Then on an alien planet being watched by helpless controllors, the media etc or even worse because there is no power for heat, communications etc alone in the dark.

And some people want to risk it all and leave their name in the history books. There is no shortage of volunteers for this mission. Let them decide for themselves.

 

[Goonie]

And some people want to risk it all and leave their name in the history books. There is no shortage of volunteers for this mission. Let them decide for themselves.

Personally I don't think there is anyone better suited for this mission than Donald.

 

[KCfromNC]

Why would you need a scale model of the moon unless you were going to film it to look like you were there?

Good point. And using that argument, I can also prove we never lived on the earth : https://www.amazon.com/4M-Earth-Moon-Model-Kit/dp/B000296MXI. After all, why would anyone need a model of it unless you were going to film it to look like you were there?

 

[KCfromNC]

Nobody or no robot or no satellite is going to space. The temperatures of space are extreme and will fry any electronics, and melt circuit boards..... Unless you know how your cell phone would last in an oven at 250 degrees Fahrenheit or function at minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit.

Likewise, since my cell phone can't survive at the bottom of a pool, no man made device can ever possibly work underwater. There's a name for this logical fallacy.

 

[Jimmy D]

Nobody or no robot or no satellite is going to space. The temperatures of space are extreme and will fry any electronics, and melt circuit boards..... Unless you know how your cell phone would last in an oven at 250 degrees Fahrenheit or function at minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit.

This solar radiation heats the space near Earth to 393.15 kelvins (120 degrees Celsius or 248 degrees Fahrenheit) or higher, while shaded objects plummet to temperatures lower than 173.5 kelvins (minus 100 degrees Celsius or minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit).

from: The Temperatures of Outer Space Around the Earth

Astronomers tell us that the solar wind and interstellar gas clouds are over a thousand degrees and sometimes in the millions, but also that the cosmic background temperature is minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit. A thermometer in space will read somewhere between these two extremes, depending on whether it's in the sun or the shade.

From: What's the Temperature in Outer Space?

LOL

Have you seen the news today?

 

[Goonie]

LOL

Have you seen the news today?

It's all fake! Millions upon millions are in on it!

I do find it funny, these conspiracy theories, that if true would require the participation of millions.

 

[Nithavela]

Personally I don't think there is anyone better suited for this mission than Donald.

Do you really want to risk him discovering alien life forms?

 

[Halbhh]

It's all fake! Millions upon millions are in on it!

I do find it funny, these conspiracy theories, that if true would require the participation of millions.

Good point. And using that argument, I can also prove we never lived on the earth : https://www.amazon.com/4M-Earth-Moon-Model-Kit/dp/B000296MXI. After all, why would anyone need a model of it unless you were going to film it to look like you were there?

Good news guys -- I think it is actually hard to find many Christians face to face that think the moon landings were a hoax. You have to go on a forum on the internet to encounter this kind of thing is my experience.

There is a portion of humanity that thinks the moon landings were a hoax.

Here:
Thinking about the space exploration, do you think the government staged or faked the Apollo moon landing, or don't you feel that way?

Yes, staged No No opinion
99 Jul 13-14 6% 89% 5%
95 Jul 19-20 ** 6 83 11
Landing a Man on the Moon: The Public's View


Thinking it's a hoax is unrelated to whether or not a person believes in God I think, based on talking to a lot of people in churches in many types of churches and in many cities, and occasionally having an individual or two tell me unusual viewpoints about stuff, and I tend to talk about science stuff a lot. This one is just uncommon.

The last person I encountered that told me the moon landings were a hoax was not a Christian, and that was about in 1980 or so. It was about skepticism other people can do stuff he could not do.

I'm glad to tell you it's quite easy to find churches were the people have normal views about stuff like this, and also where most know the Earth is billions of years old and believe in God, etc., and that's actually most churches, not a minority.

 

[JacksBratt]

JacksBratt

Sorry buddy but I think you have been watching the wrong YouTube videos! Seems to me that you love conspiracy theories and I even guess you believe the earth is flat too!

You keep trying to label me with other beliefs and views. It's really not polite.
You don't hear me saying that due to your belief in satellites you must believe Iron man and Tony Stark are real...... do you?

Yes, I investigate the beliefs in things that others consider "conspiracies". This does not make me dumb or ignorant. It does not make me crazy or naive....

Dumb, ignorant, and naive people believe things they are told with no investigation into whether it is actually true or not. The accept what they are told, like good little brainwashed people. Do you believe everything the government tells you? How about the military? do you not think they keep facts from you and tell you lies?

Are you aware that almost all the astronauts are 33 degree Free Masons.... which means they are the highest members of a "secret" society..... Hmmmm do you think that they may tell you a lie, or keep facts from you?... That's what a "secret" is.

Then, if someone comes along and says "Hey, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense........investigates and finds facts that contradict a widely accepted fact....they are ridiculed.

I refuse to live in a society where there is new information, every day, that is researched by many people from many different walks of life and for different reasons...... and not investigate it.

I used to argue, passionately with a fellow worker, for the fact that we went to the moon. I thought he was not accepting of facts.

I had cognitive dissonance. I watched, as a young boy, as they stepped out of the lunar lander and walked on the moon. I even applied to my countries space program and wanted to go to space. I had been told since I was young all about all the science of space. I grew up with Star Trek, the real series.

So, until you have investigated it for yourself, I am not going to stay here and give you facts and reasons that show that we have been lied to.

You will just dispute them with the same information we have heard for 50 years.

Proverbs 18:13King James Version (KJV)

13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

We have been lied to. We have been lied to and they have taken our money. How much of their "truth" is actually lies, is yet to be determined.

So, check your pride and your ego... open your eyes and toss all you have been told... see if it adds up. See if it is physically possible.

Not all of it is lies, that would be foolish... just enough truth to keep you believing the lies.