The great and wonderous sign in heaven

[Quasar92]

The Prophecy is a FUTURE EVENT....But the Prophecy is Rev. 12:6-17, Rev. 12:1-5 is a CODE. Anyone that can't understand Rev. 12:1-5 is past events is just not using their common sense IMHO.

So IS THIS a past event?

Rev. 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

OR THIS !!!

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So which is it? Does everything in Revelation have to be FUTURE EVENTS? Of Course not, there can be CLUES that push us unto understanding what the Prophesies are, mixed in with the prophesies themselves, which are PAST EVENTS.

Rev. 12:1-5 is crystal clear.

First of all, the OP comes from the years of research and study by a team of astronomers and scientists in the mid 90's. It comes from a retrogression of the heavenly bodies, by computer, to the time of the Star of Bethlehem and the specific date of Jesus birth. Zt or near the summer equinox in September 22/23. It is the Sign of the Son of Man, Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30 and occurs in the heavens once every year. Which mens, His second coming will be at that specific time of year.

Many of the Observatories in the U.S., including the one at Griffith Park, in Los Angeles, have embraced this study by Earnest L. Martin, PhD, an astronomer himself for awhile, in their Christmas displays. All of the details can be found in his book, "the Star That Astonished The World


Quasar92.

 

[Revealing Times]

First of all, the OP comes from the years of research and study by a team of astronomers and scientists in the mid 90's. It comes from a retrogression of the heavenly bodies, by computer, to the time of the Star of Bethlehem and the specific date of Jesus birth. Zt or near the summer equinox in September 22/23. It is the Sign of the Son of Man, Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30 and occurs in the heavens once every year. Which mens, His second coming will be at that specific time of year.

Many of the Observatories in the U.S., including the one at Griffith Park, in Los Angeles, have embraced this study by Earnest L. Martin, PhD, an astronomer himself for awhile, in their Christmas displays. All of the details can be found in his book, "the Star That Astonished The World


Quasar92.

IN VIRGO is Astrology, look it up.

Jesus is born via Israel. That is past events. This is bogus for many reasons, it Astrology first, and secondly its not a unique event as has been presented. Star gazing is strictly prohibited by God.

 

[mark kennedy]

That thought is why you are confused about the sign.

I'm not confused, the seventh trumpet is sounded in the eleventh chapter. In the twelveth chapter Israel repents and flees into the wilderness. Seals at the beginning, trumpets in the middle and vials of wrath toward the end. Clearly chronological.

 

[SeventyOne]

I'm not confused, the seventh trumpet is sounded in the eleventh chapter. In the twelveth chapter Israel repents and flees into the wilderness. Seals at the beginning, trumpets in the middle and vials of wrath toward the end. Clearly chronological.

I used to be caught in that delusion for many years as well. After all, all the BIG prophecy 'teachers' said so, but they were wrong. Start over without their misconceptions as your foundations.

Start with, "how can the sign that is supposed to be years off in the future be only 9 days away", then ask yourself the question could you be wrong in your assumptions. If you're honest about it, you'll start to question what you've been told to believe.

 

[SeventyOne]

No, I am not delving into Astrology, I will leave that for you guys. See you the 24th.

No one here is delving into astrology. That is just a false accusation and a lie you continue to advance.

I've pointed you to the scripture several times before where God recognizes and lays claim on the constellations. You know the truth but willingly ignore it. It's obvious to me you like being locked in your lies.

You may or may not see us on the 24th. What would it matter? The sign is there regardless of if we are still here or not. No amount of anyone's scoffing and denial will ever change that. It's there and you can't make it go away. Too bad, so sad, for you.

 

[Quasar92]

That's right.

And note that the woman in Revelation 12 represents the Church (which is Israel: Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). For she's clothed with the sun (Revelation 12:1) of righteousness (Malachi 4:2) through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the Church clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8). And the moon under her feet (Revelation 12:1) represents Satan under her feet (Romans 16:20) as she overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the crown of 12 stars on her head (Revelation 12:1) represents the 12 apostles (of Matthew 10:2-4, Acts 1:16-26), who have been placed over the Church (1 Corinthians 12:28).

Her giving birth to the "man child", and his being caught up to the throne of God (Revelation 12:5) immediately before she flees into the wilderness for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6), represents the future, mid-tribulation catching up of the 144,000 male-virgins part of the Church in their mortal bodies to the throne of God in heaven (Revelation 14:1,4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).

Her fleeing into and remaining in a protected wilderness place for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6,14) represents those in the Church who will flee into and remain in divinely-protected wilderness places during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), which will occur during the latter half of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

The remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17) represents those in the Church during that time who won't flee into wilderness places, but will remain in the cities and be persecuted in every nation, being imprisoned and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Also, Genesis 37:9-10 isn't (as is sometimes claimed) being referred to in Revelation 12:1. For in Revelation 12:1 the Church/Israel isn't clothed with the man Jacob (Genesis 37:9-10) but with the sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2) through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the Church/Israel clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8, cf. also Revelation 21:2,9,12). Also, the Church/Israel doesn't have the woman Rachel under her feet (Genesis 37:9-10), but Satan (Romans 16:20), as the Church/Israel overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the Church/Israel doesn't have Jacob's 12 sons placed over her (Genesis 37:9-10), but the 12 apostles (1 Corinthians 12:28, Matthew 10:2, Acts 1:26), each one of whom will rule over one of her 12 tribes (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).

Take note of the fact, there are two wonders referred to in Rev.12:1 amd 3. In Rev. 1-2, the OP is about, the pregnant woman specifically refers to the virgin, t.e., Mary. From verse 3, the woman represents Israel.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

IN VIRGO is Astrology, look it up.

Jesus is born via Israel. That is past events. This is bogus for many reasons, it Astrology first, and secondly its not a unique event as has been presented. Star gazing is strictly prohibited by God.

IN VIRGO is Astrology, look it up.

Jesus is born via Israel. That is past events. This is bogus for many reasons, it Astrology first, and secondly its not a unique event as has been presented. Star gazing is strictly prohibited by God.

This thread and the subject being discussed pertains to the research and study by ASTRONOMERS and SCIENTISTS. It has nothing to do with astrology at all. Nor ds the Scriptures it is based upon in Rev.12:1-2


Quasar92

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I have been studying prophecy since the 80's. I never understood what Lord Jesus was saying about the Revelation 12 sign. It was very confusing. And since it was in Revelation, I felt it had something to do with endtimes, and that we would see it in the stars. This was before the internet, before eschatology forums, before Stallerium astronomy programs, etc. The funny thing is there was not a whole lot taught about this sign back then..Now, people don't know the difference between astronomy and astrology, which is absolutely amazing to me.Now, people equate astronomy with astrology and will not even learn the difference , which is even more astonishing, that "intelligent" people cannot learn.

OK the sign is definitely going to happen. It is happening September 23, 2017. That much is true. I think we can all agree on that. All of the signs Lord Jesus said were going to happen like birth pangs on a pregnant woman are happening as we speak. Israel is a nation, whether any of us believe it should be or not, and it will remain until Lord Jesus' feet touch down on the Mt. of Olives.

Lord Jesus tells us to watch. I think all of us can agree on that. Well, what are we suppose to watch??? What are we expecting to see. I think Lord Jesus was explicit in what we are to see as a sign of His coming. We see them, but people scoff. I think some people need the go and buy some of those connect the dots books. I don't know if September 23rd sign has any significance at all, but, it worth watching imho.

 

[Daizy]

Many watchmen & watchwomen believe that the Revelation 12 sign will appear in the sky after the Feast of Trumpets 9/21-9/22/17. It is for the unsaved world to see! It will appear on 9/23/17, presumably AFTER the rapture takes place. The pregnant woman represents Israel, and the child represents the righteous Church, born from the manchild. Once the rapture takes place, the restrainer of evil (The Righteous bride & Holy Spirit) is taken out of the earth, and the era of Grace ends!

People who are interpreting the signs are citing the dates that these events COULD occur, based on Jewish Feasts and past major events that occurred on Feast Days.

Genesis 1:14 says And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, days, and years."

Personally, I think that Jesus' Parable of the 5 wise virgins (believers) depicted in Matt: 25:1-13, is the standard to how all Christians should live! To keep extra oil (holiness, from obedience) in our jars, so that when the shout goes out, "that the Bridegroom is here!"), we will be ready to trim our wicks, have ample light to recognize that the time has come and that we must quickly depart!!! We cannot look back (as did Lot's wife), but fix our eyes on our heavenly journey!!!!

 

[Quasar92]

Many watchmen & watchwomen believe that the Revelation 12 sign will appear in the sky after the Feast of Trumpets 9/21-9/22/17. It is for the unsaved world to see! It will appear on 9/23/17, presumably AFTER the rapture takes place. The pregnant woman represents Israel, and the child represents the righteous Church, born from the manchild. Once the rapture takes place, the restrainer of evil (The Righteous bride & Holy Spirit) is taken out of the earth, and the era of Grace ends!

People who are interpreting the signs are citing the dates that these events COULD occur, based on Jewish Feasts and past major events that occurred on Feast Days.

Genesis 1:14 says And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, days, and years."

Personally, I think that Jesus' Parable of the 5 wise virgins (believers) depicted in Matt: 25:1-13, is the standard to how all Christians should live! To keep extra oil (holiness, from obedience) in our jars, so that when the shout goes out, "that the Bridegroom is here!"), we will be ready to trim our wicks, have ample light to recognize that the time has come and that we must quickly depart!!! We cannot look back (as did Lot's wife), but fix our eyes on our heavenly journey!!!!

The Wonderous sign in the sky of Rev.12:1-2 is also the Sign of the Son of Man, Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30

Blessings


Quasar92

 

[Revealing Times]

This thread and the subject being discussed pertains to the research and study by ASTRONOMERS and SCIENTISTS. It has nothing to do with astrology at all. Nor ds the Scriptures it is based upon in Rev.12:1-2


Quasar92

Sire it does, what do you think IN VIRGO MEANS? Look it up.

Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac, to be exact, and that's the way Virgos like it: exacting. Those born under this sign are forever the butt of jokes for being so picky and critical (and they can be), but their 'attention to detail' is for a reason: to help others.

 

[Revealing Times]

No one here is delving into astrology. That is just a false accusation and a lie you continue to advance.

I've pointed you to the scripture several times before where God recognizes and lays claim on the constellations. You know the truth but willingly ignore it. It's obvious to me you like being locked in your lies.

You may or may not see us on the 24th. What would it matter? The sign is there regardless of if we are still here or not. No amount of anyone's scoffing and denial will ever change that. It's there and you can't make it go away. Too bad, so sad, for you.

Its Astrology all you have to do is look at the facts. Jesus being born is a FACT not a sign. The "SIGN" is a VISION just like in Revelation 15:1 And I saw another SIGN in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

You have fallen for it, I will not and will call it out for what it is.

 

[Daizy]

Quasar, absolutely!!! The First time it appeared was 5,932 years ago, roughly around 3915 BC, when Adam and Eve walked the earth. Jesus represents the man child, who came through th tribe of Judah (whose symbol is a lion). Jesus was kept hidden from King Herod in Egypt for 6 weeks - 4 years, depending on which scholar you choose to believe. The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel! God always prepares his people by giving them signs and wonders!!!! The apostle John was given another "vision" of the same Revelation 12 sign for another time and purpose!

 

[Daizy]

@ "Revealing times", the people in the ancient world were more in touch with our physical world for their survival! The wise men followed the star to find the Christ Child! Only 2% of Israel ACCEPTS Yeshua as their messiah! Israel needs a heavenly sign!!!!

 

[Daizy]

The woman in the constellation represents the Virgin Mary and the word "Virgo" is the Latin name for "virgin".

 

[mark kennedy]

I used to be caught in that delusion for many years as well. After all, all the BIG prophecy 'teachers' said so, but they were wrong. Start over without their misconceptions as your foundations.

When I studied Romans I had to forget the Romans road to heaven, abstain from commentaries and continually return to the simplicity of the gospel. When I studied Revelations it was the same thing only much easier because the language in the original is simpler. The woman in Revelations is obviously Israel. The narrative of chapter 11 clearly states that the end of the ministry of the the Two witnesses is three and a half years into the tribulation period (Revelations 11:2,3; Dan. 9:24,25). Immediately following abomination that causes desolation Israel flees the Antichrist. This coincides with the sounding of the 7th trumpet and that is directly from the clear testimony of Scripture.

Start with, "how can the sign that is supposed to be years off in the future be only 9 days away", then ask yourself the question could you be wrong in your assumptions. If you're honest about it, you'll start to question what you've been told to believe.

I've never said it will be fulfilled September 23, what I said was, 'seals at the beginning, trumpets in the middle and vials of wrath toward the end'. There is a clear chronology and a predictive prophetic narrative.

 

[GUANO]

The Bible is not a book of astrology. You're literally interpreting scripture in the same manner as Luciferians and Kabbalists.

Using only the words of the prophets you find that the woman is Israel, the sun is the knowledge and glory of God, the moon is the priesthood, the stars are the nations, the dragon is Rome, and the manchild is jesus christ. Bible prophecy does not lend itself out to babylonian astrolatry or Jewish mysticism and kabbalah.

The prophets of old identify the symbols and their meanings, not the Babylonians lol

 

[Quasar92]

Its Astrology all you have to do is look at the facts. Jesus being born is a FACT not a sign. The "SIGN" is a VISION just like in Revelation 15:1 And I saw another SIGN in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

You have fallen for it, I will not and will call it out for what it is.

Review my post #21 as well as the following:

Gen.1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."


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[Daizy]

Guano, read Luke 21 5-25 that describes the last days, before the Son of Man returns. Verse 25 reads "There will signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexing at the roaring and tossing of the sea." My question to you is this? Why shouldn't we lift up our heads and become aware that our redemption is drawing near???

 

[Daizy]

Yes it is

I heard it described as layers of past/present/future events. It is not chronological, as some are inclined to believe.