JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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No one is telling you that you must obey God's Law to be saved.
You don't understand something LGW.
You are like the vast majority. You preach you are not saved by observing the law, but you must observe the law/ not commit sin to remain in a saved state.
At first glance that sounds correct, but it is not.
For the reality, away from the head theology, is that people will naturally then believe they must observe the law to be righteous/ justified before God. For if they can only be in a saved state if they observe the law, they can only be righteous if they observe the law. For those in a saved state are righteous before God. Those who are not in a saved state are not righteous before God.
I'm sure to you, my views are a licence to sin. However, yours and my experience of being born again are totally apart. We have not had the same experience.
 
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A word if advice. People are not fools. Those reading g our conversation will easily see which one of us is making honest and correct statements
If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
 
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You don't understand something LGW.
You are like the vast majority. You preach you are not saved by observing the law, but you must observe the law to remain in a saved state.
I do not teach or believe you must observe God's Law to remain in a saved state. If you do that you take your dependence off Jesus for salvation by faith in God's Word. Obedience is only the fruit of faith through love
 
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I do not teach or believe you must observe God's Law to remain in a saved state. If you do that you take your dependence off Jesus for salvation by faith in God's Word.
You do preach being/ remaining in a saved state hinges on not committing sin. And not committing sin is observing the law.
 
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You do preach being in a saved state hinges on not committing sin. And not committing sin is observing the law.
It is God's Word that says you are not in a saved state while in unrepentant sin (James 2:8-12; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8). As stated in post #63 above, I do not teach or believe you must observe God's Law to remain in a saved state. If you do that you take your dependence off Jesus for salvation by faith in God's Word. Obedience is the fruit of faith through love. So we have nothing to argue about here :D
 
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It is God's Word that says you are not in a saved state while in unrepentant sin (James 2:8-12; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8). As stated in post #63 above, I do not teach or believe you must observe God's Law to remain in a saved state. If you do that you take your dependence off Jesus for salvation by faith in God's Word. Obedience is the fruit of faith through love
Please dont quote to me heb10:26 for you are not prepared to then answer my questions concerning your understanding of that verse. In my view, we should only quote verses we are prepared to answer questions concerning when asked.
As for Unrepentant sin. I gave many times told you the truly born again Christian will, as surely as night follows day repent if sin.
When you commit sin, do you not come before your father in heaven and say sorry for committing it?

Every true Christian us filled with remorse when they commit wilfull sin, for they are going against the law placed in their heart.
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Heb 10:26 does not state the word Unrepentant in it. Please cite scripture that supports the point s you want to make, not scripture that doesn't!
 
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Please dont quote to me heb10:26 for you are not prepared to then answer my questions concerning your understanding of that verse. In my view, we should only quote verses we are prepared to answer questions concerning when asked.
As for Unrepentant sin. I gave many times told you the truly born again Christian will, as surely as night follows day repent if sin. When you commit sin, do you not come before your father in heaven and say sorry for committing it? Every true Christian us filled with remorse when they commit wilfull sin, for they are going against the law placed in their heart. BTW Heb 10:26 does not state the word Unrepentant in it. Please cite scripture that supports the point s you want to make, not scripture that doesn't!

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Stuart you say the Hebrews 10:26-27 is not talking about unrepentant sin because you do not see the word unrepentant sin in the verse despite the verse describing what unrepentant sin is. This is the same as you saying God's 10 commandments are not in the New Testament because you do not see the words 10 commandments (post # 3) despite God's commandments being referred to all through the Old and New Testament scriptures.

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Think of the person you love most in this world. Though you love them dearly you do not always act perfectly towards them, humans don't do they.
What happens when you say an unkind word to a person you love, what happens when you offend them? You feel bad for doing so. And you will apologise to them for how you acted. It would be utterly impossible for you to offend someone you love, shrug your shoulders and never say sorry for how you acted. It is the same in respect of the truly born again Christian with their father in heaven
 
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Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Stuart you say the Hebrews 10:26-27 is not talking about unrepentant sin because you do not see the word unrepentant sin in the verse despite the verse describing what unrepentant sin is. This is the same as you saying God's 10 commandments are not in the New Testament because you do not see the words 10 commandments (post # 3) despite God's commandments being referred to all through the Old and New Testament scriptures.

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It speaks of wilfull sin, not Unrepentant sin.
 
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It speaks of wilfull sin, not Unrepentant sin.
The word "Willfully" G1596 means; ἑκουσίως; hekousiōs; hek-oo-see'-oce voluntarily
So the scripture reads

For if we sin "voluntarily" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. So if God tells us do not commit adultery and we know that if we commit adultery it is sin, but we decide we like adultery and "voluntarily" continue to commit adultery is this not unrepentant sin?
 
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King David committed wilfull sin. He repented of it. So how can wilfull sin be unrepentant sin?
He did and God punished him for his sin. But he was not unrepentant he confessed and repented of his sins and returned back to God. Hebrews 10:26-27 is not talking about someone repenting and turning back to God it is talking about those that do not repent and do not turn back to God.
 
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He did and God punished him for his sin. But he was not unrepentant he confessed and repented of his sins and returned back to God.
So how is wilfull sin unrepentant sin if David committed wilfull sin but repented of it
 
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The work "Willfully" G1596 means; ἑκουσίως; hekousiōs; hek-oo-see'-oce voluntarily
So the scripture reads

For if we sin "voluntarily" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. So if God tells us do not commit adultery and we know that if we commit adultery it is sin, but we decide we like adultery and "voluntarily" continue to commit adultery is this not unrepentant sin?
I'm not referring to you here. But I have only come accross a couple of people on the internet who quote the Greek and understand the true message
 
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I'm not referring to you here. But I have only come accross a couple of people on the internet who quote the Greek and understand the true message
It is the same with God's Word and is the reason we need to ask Jesus to be our teacher and to guide us into an understanding of His Word and what it means. (John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:32; John 7:17). The good news is that God promises to be our teacher if we have an honest heart and choose to seek him through His Word. I will need to go for a while now Stuart. Nice to chat with you. Lets catch up latter. Bye for now
 
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It is the same with God's Word and is the reason we need to ask Jesus to be our teacher and to guide us into an understanding of His Word and what it means. (John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:32; John 7:17)
Some rely on the holy spirit to understand spiritual truth. Some rely on the grammatical structure of words, some rely on the Greek, etc
 
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It is the same with God's Word and is the reason we need to ask Jesus to be our teacher and to guide us into an understanding of His Word and what it means. (John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:32; John 7:17). The good news is that God promises to be our teacher if we have an honest heart and choose to seek him through His Word. I will need to go for a while now Stuart. Nice to chat with you. Lets catch up latter. Bye for now
1cor2:13&14 is good
 
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It is the same with God's Word and is the reason we need to ask Jesus to be our teacher and to guide us into an understanding of His Word and what it means. (John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:32; John 7:17). The good news is that God promises to be our teacher if we have an honest heart and choose to seek him through His Word. I will need to go for a while now Stuart. Nice to chat with you. Lets catch up latter. Bye for now
Why are you not specifically mentioning the Holy Spirit? Jesus said he would lead the believers into truth
 
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The true dividing line in Christianity is NOT according to denomination, but rather the Holy Spirit.
You either follow after the Spirit or the law, for you cannot do both:

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6

Only those being led into truth by the Holy Spirit can understand Pauls message, for it is spiritually discerned
 
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