September 23 'sign in the heavens' debunked.

[Steve Petersen]

The different interpretations are made by those who have chosen to believe false teachings, ideas, theories and fables, that are nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Isaiah 29:9-12 says for those who confuse themselves by false beliefs, then God will give them a spirit of stupor and make the prophesies as a closed book. 2 Thessalonians 2:11
This is God's good choice. Matthew 11:25-26

How do you know that you aren't the one who is confused?

 

[Copperhead]

How do you know that you aren't the one who is confused?

It has been quoted.. "the only impediment to the truth is when one thinks they already have it".

 

[keras]

How do you know that you aren't the one who is confused?

I don't believe in theories that cannot be supported by scripture. That includes the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Nowhere does the Bible say there will be general rapture.

I can claim to have a good knowledge and understanding of what God has planned for us, in these end times. Having written 4 books with over 500 articles on the Prophetic Word, has given me a fair insight as to what will happen.
Also, it was while I was living in Israel and Jordan in 2010- 2012, that I received the inspiration do what I have. I count myself very fortunate to have not had Bible College or Seminary training, therefore, I work with a mind clear of denominational and Church doctrines and beliefs.
What I post and is all available free on my website, is Bible passages, written in an easy to read and understand way, with other scriptures, plus modern knowledge, common sense and logic to explain what the Prophets are telling us.
Believe it and be prepared for what must happen, or discount it and remain in the dark.

 

[keras]

Well, we got another sign on the 6th, which is also the 15th of Elul on the Hebrew calendar. The 1st of Elul starts the season of Teshuvah, or season of repentance and return. The U.S. Solar Eclipse came just before Elul 1. Now on the 15th of Elul, mid point between Elul 1 and the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1 (which at the end of that feast we get the September 23rd event), we get the largest solar flare we have had in 12 years. An X 9.3 rated flare. Some navigation and communication were affected.

Sun Unleashes Monster Solar Flare, Strongest in a Decade

This is a sign, as what the Lord will use on His terrible Day of wrath by fire, is a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3

 

[JacksBratt]

You have a very confused idea of how the world will be in the last days.
Bible prophecy is plain; we Christians will all go to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26
That is why the leader of the OWG, the Anti-Christ comes to Beulah and negotiates a 7 year peace treaty. That treaty is another test and many: Daniel 9:27 will fail it. Daniel 11:32
Our first test of faith will be the Lord's Day of wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal. This will be the Day, when we must stand firm in our faith and call upon the Lord for His protection. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
After that, we won't have to take the mark of the beast, as we won't be a part of the OWG. God promises great blessings of security; as He destroys the Gog attack and of prosperity, as we prepare for the eventual Return of Jesus.

And the one world government is going to let millions of people to travel there? You think that the airport in Israel can handle that many aircraft in that short of time?

I doubt it.

 

[Copperhead]

I don't believe in theories that cannot be supported by scripture. That includes the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Nowhere does the Bible say there will be general rapture.

I am glad you mention "theories". That is all anyone has since they are not the mouthpiece of God on these matters. And your theory allegorizes scripture to the extreme in many other folk's opinion.

As I have always stated, we probably all have some, if not most, of this stuff wrong or skewed and we will end up with egg on our face. That is why it should be discussed among one another with respect and in the spirit of we are all learning and will continue to learn on into eternity. No one has a "matter of factly" handle on all of this stuff.

 

[Copperhead]

This is a sign, as what the Lord will use on His terrible Day of wrath by fire, is a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3

Problem is, only the Isaiah reference mentions the sun. You are imposing your view on the other scripture and not following the principle of "when the plain sense of scripture makes sense, then seek no other sense". Hermeneutics 101. And while the sun may be brighter in the Isaiah reference, it doesn't say anything about burning up the earth like a coronal ejection might. Not even in the context of that passage.

I just mentioned a possible sign, not any allusion to rapture, end of the age, etc. That it might be significant when fitted into the others that have occurred over the last 3 years and how virtually all of them can be significant in light of where they have fallen on the Biblical / Hebrew calendar.

 

[Goatee]

I don't believe in theories that cannot be supported by scripture. That includes the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Nowhere does the Bible say there will be general rapture.

I can claim to have a good knowledge and understanding of what God has planned for us, in these end times. Having written 4 books with over 500 articles on the Prophetic Word, has given me a fair insight as to what will happen.
Also, it was while I was living in Israel and Jordan in 2010- 2012, that I received the inspiration do what I have. I count myself very fortunate to have not had Bible College or Seminary training, therefore, I work with a mind clear of denominational and Church doctrines and beliefs.
What I post and is all available free on my website, is Bible passages, written in an easy to read and understand way, with other scriptures, plus modern knowledge, common sense and logic to explain what the Prophets are telling us.
Believe it and be prepared for what must happen, or discount it and remain in the dark.

Just because you have written 4 books and studied for many years does not mean you have the truth!

What I find is that many people who spend years and years studying things normally end up 'trapped' in their own little bubble of self worth and false beliefs. Some just will not let go of what they think to be the truth because they have spent a lifetime of study on it.

Just life the Pharisees in Jesus time. Only they thought they knew everything After years and years of study etc! Jesus proved them wrong!

Don't get caught up in yours own ideas. Try to look beyond your own tiny 'Bubble'.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why is it so hard for most fundamentalists to say 'I don't know' or 'I could be wrong?'

 

[Copperhead]

Most of us have had to modify our positions occasionally on some of these issues. Someone will offer a perspective that many have not seen before. The HS likes to do things like that occasionally. I have seen expositional scholars who have taught for 40 years get new insights in the texts and modify their view.

 

[Goatee]

This is how, when I read about Partial / Preterism, and how they explained, in detail, Revelations, It then all made sense to me! It had mostly all already happened!

It hit home so strongly to me. Reading all the bits of scripture that made it all fit into place made sense! I could see how these things in Revelations knitted together with other scripture and events. It was like a MASSIVE eye opener for me.

Revelation
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.

4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:

Even after saying that, we are constantly being taught by the Holy Spirit. God reveals Himself every day.

 

[JacksBratt]

Why is it so hard for most fundamentalists to say 'I don't know' or 'I could be wrong?'

I agree... but this should not be limited to "fundamentalists".

I know of very few people who are wishy washy about their view of the next few decades, or further. For the most part they will argue quite strongly for their personal view.

 

[Riberra]

This is how, when I read about Partial / Preterism, and how they explained, in detail, Revelations, It then all made sense to me! It had mostly all already happened!

It hit home so strongly to me. Reading all the bits of scripture that made it all fit into place made sense! I could see how these things in Revelations knitted together with other scripture and events. It was like a MASSIVE eye opener for me.

Revelation
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.

4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:

The things who are ...concerning the 7 Churches that were in existence in Asia covers only 2 Chapters in Revelation ie Revelation 2 and Revelation 3.

The things to come thereafter are in the other Chapters >>>Revelation 6 to Revelation 21....

Seal 1 to 5 have already been opened with their effects still in action Revelation 6

-Seal 1 The conquest of the Gospel -White Horse.-Still in action
-Seal 2 the Wars who have plagued humanity -Red Horse-Still in action
-Seal 3 Famines who have plagued humanity -Black Horse-Still in action
-Seal 4, 1/4 if the surface of the Earth that was affected by WW1 and WW2 [major event of the 20TH century]

-Seal 5 Christians martyrs -still in action

Obviously the 6 Th Seal have not been opened yet....

 

[Goatee]

The things who are ...concerning the 7 Churches that were in existence in Asia covers only 2 Chapters in Revelation ie Revelation 2 and Revelation 3.

The things to come thereafter are in the other Chapters >>>Revelation 6 to Revelation 21....

Seal 1 to 5 have already been opened with their effects still in action Revelation 6

-Seal 1 The conquest of the Gospel -White Horse.-Still in action
-Seal 2 the Wars who have plagued humanity -Red Horse-Still in action
-Seal 3 Famines who have plagued humanity -Black Horse-Still in action
-Seal 4, 1/4 if the surface of the Earth that was affected by WW1 and WW2 [major event of the 20TH century]

-Seal 5 Christians martyrs -still in action

Obviously the 6 Th Seal have not been opened yet....

Interpretation......

 

[Riberra]

Interpretation......

Nearly 2,000 years have passed since John have received the Revelation and Jesus have still not returned.
However look at the -majors events- who have happened on the Earth since that time and compare them with what is written in Seal 1 to 5 ...Revelation 6.

The Book of Revelation covers the -majors events- that will happen on the Earth from the time that John received the Revelation until Jesus come to Establish His Millennial Kingdom Revelation 2 Through Revelation 20:4-6

-Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 concerned a Judgment by God upon the 7 Churches that was in existence in the time of John.

-While Revelation 6 through Revelation 20:4-6 concern the things to happen thereafter ....

 

[Goatee]

Nearly 2,000 years have passed since John have received the Revelation and Jesus have still not returned.
However look at the -majors events- who have happened on the Earth since that time and compare them with what is written in Seal 1 to 5 ...Revelation 6.

The Book of Revelation covers the -majors events- that will happen on the Earth from the time that John received the Revelation until Jesus come to Establish His Millennial Kingdom Revelation 2 Through Revelation 20:4-6

-Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 concerned a Judgment by God upon the 7 Churches that was in existence in the time of John.

-While Revelation 6 through Revelation 20:4-6 concern the things to happen thereafter ....

The earth has always been going through 'major' events! All through history humanity has seen and gone through big events. Throughout history people thought the end of time was near. Just like in our time, people read Revelation, put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5!

I believe in Jesus. I believe He conquered all.

 

[keras]

And the one world government is going to let millions of people to travel there? You think that the airport in Israel can handle that many aircraft in that short of time?
I doubt it.

You fail to see where the prophesies tell about the great Exodus of the Lord's people, every faithful Christian, into all of the holy Land. Try actually reading prophesies like Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 51:1-8, Isaiah 62:1-12, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Romans 9:24-26, +

Problem is, only the Isaiah reference mentions the sun. You are imposing your view on the other scripture and not following the principle of "when the plain sense of scripture makes sense, then seek no other sense". Hermeneutics 101. And while the sun may be brighter in the Isaiah reference, it doesn't say anything about burning up the earth like a coronal ejection might. Not even in the context of that passage.

What? Did you actually read Isaiah 30:25-30
The context of Isaiah 30:26 is the Lord's Day of wrath, when He sieves out the nations for destruction by His fiery wrath.
Other prophesies do at least allude to the sun, God's storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1. and the fiery heat, Isaiah 66:15, Isaiah 33:12, Ezekiel 30:16, 2 Peter 3:7, + plus the many other effects that a CME can produce.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire. ..

 

[Copperhead]

You fail to see where the prophesies tell about the great Exodus of the Lord's people, every faithful Christian, into all of the holy Land. Try actually reading prophesies like Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 51:1-8, Isaiah 62:1-12, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Romans 9:24-26, +

What? Did you actually read Isaiah 30:25-30
The context of Isaiah 30:26 is the Lord's Day of wrath, when He sieves out the nations for destruction by His fiery wrath.
Other prophesies do at least allude to the sun, God's storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1. and the fiery heat, Isaiah 66:15, Isaiah 33:12, Ezekiel 30:16, 2 Peter 3:7, + plus the many other effects that a CME can produce.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire. ..

I sure did. Even read it again. There is nothing there to insinuate that it is a CME that causes this. It would have to be pretty selective CME to avoid turning those that are protected from His wrath from becoming crispy critters. Most CME's are not selective in who they affect.

 

[Riberra]

The earth has always been going through 'major' events! All through history humanity has seen and gone through big events. Throughout history people thought the end of time was near. Just like in our time, people read Revelation, put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5!

I believe in Jesus. I believe He conquered all.

I am not saying that our time is the time of the end...

-You have said, that nearly everything written in the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled in the time of John ,yet Jesus have still not returned ...

-Can you show us based on the historical record starting in 90 AD [time that John have received the Revelation]..

-Which are the events fulfilling the opening of the SEVEN SEALS [Revelation 6] ?

-Which are the events fulfilling the SEVEN TRUMPETS [Revelation 8 ]?

-Which are the events fulfilling the SEVEN VIALS of the Wrath of God [Revelation 16]

-Which are the events fulfilling the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21
Good luck!

 

[Copperhead]

-I am not saying that our time is the time of the end...

-You have said, that nearly everything written in the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled in the time of John ,yet Jesus have still not returned ...

-Can you show us based on the historical record starting in 90 AD [time that John have received the Revelation]..
-Which are the events fulfilling the opening of the SEVEN SEALS [Revelation 6] ?
-Which are the events fulfilling the SEVEN TRUMPETS [Revelation 8 ]?
-Which are the events fulfilling the SEVEN VIALS of the Wrath of God [Revelation16]
-Which are the events fulfilling the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21
Good luck!

Yeah, it's takes some real scripture gymnastics to fit a book written in 90AD into an event that happened 20 years earlier. Revelation is not a history book. And I look out my window and I don't see a new heaven and a new earth.