Jesus is the Rock His Church is built upon, according to Mt.16:18-19

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Rock means Peter. Peter means Rock.


Who the ROCK is Jesus was referring to is clearly delineated in Post #17 that bear all the supporting proof, Jesus is the ROCK. He is also the founder and head of the Church, from the time He gave the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to Acts 2:1-3 and Col.1:18.


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Who the ROCK is Jesus was referring to is clearly delineated in Post #17 that bear all the supporting proof, Jesus is the ROCK. He is also the founder and head of the Church, from the time He gave the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to Acts 2:1-3 and Col.1:18.


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He said that His church would be built upon a ROCK. Peter, actually means Rock! He gave Peter the Keys. He gave Peter the power to bind and loose.

Jesus is the Cornerstone. Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life.

Peter was as was Moses to the people of that generation. God gave Moses leadership. As He also gave Peter. Peter, was God's vessel in which the church of Christ would be steered.
 
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Rock crushes lizard

Lizard poisons Spock

Spock smashes scissors

Scissors decapitates lizard

Lizard eats paper

Paper disproves Spock

Spock vaporizes Rock

(and as it always has) Rock crushes scissors.
But Rocks don't make baby rocks and rocks are not always cornerstones.

There is no scripture that creates apostolic succession.
And, if some think Peter is the rock as in foundation of the church, they need to read Jesus', Peter's and Paul's words.

Luke 20:17
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’?

1 Peter 2:7
Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.​
 
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Can you post the passage where He gave them all they keys please?

Matthew 18:18, He's not speaking to Peter, but all of them.

Basically, again at the end of Matthew.
Matthew 28:18-19
Baptism is one of the keys to salvation.

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He said that His church would be built upon a ROCK. Peter, actually means Rock! He gave Peter the Keys. He gave Peter the power to bind and loose.

Jesus is the Cornerstone. Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life.

Peter was as was Moses to the people of that generation. God gave Moses leadership. As He also gave Peter. Peter, was God's vessel in which the church of Christ would be steered.


No matter how long and hard you argue the the Church was built on Peter, you are swimming upstream in the wrong direction. The Church of Jesus Christ is built upon those who believe in Him, not in Peter, as documented in Jn.3:16 and in Rom.10:9-10, together with Eph.1:13-14. Jesus is the ROCK, whether you are able to accept it or not. Do a search engine on who the Christian Church is built upon.


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Not a word about Peter.

Pentarchy - Wikipedia

Pentarchy
(from the Greek Πενταρχία, pentarchía, from πέντε pénte, "five", and ἄρχειν archein, "to rule") is a model of Church organization historically championed in the Eastern Orthodox Church. It found its fullest expression in the laws of Emperor Justinian I of the Byzantine Empire. In the model, the Christian church is governed by the heads (patriarchs) of the five major episcopal sees of the Roman Empire: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.[2]

The idea came about because of the political and ecclesiastical prominence of these five sees, but the concept of their universal and exclusive authority was firmly tied to the administrative structure of the Roman Empire. The pentarchy was first legally expressed in the legislation of Emperor Justinian I (527–565), particularly in Novella 131. The Quinisext Council of 692 gave it formal recognition and ranked the sees in order of preeminence. Especially following Quinisext, the pentarchy was at least philosophically accepted in Eastern Orthodoxy, but generally not in the West, which rejected the Council, and the concept of the pentarchy.[3]

The greater authority of these sees in relation to others was tied to their political and ecclesiastical prominence; all were located in important cities and regions of the Roman Empire and were important centers of the Christian Church. Rome, Alexandria and Antioch were prominent from the time of early Christianity, while Constantinople came to the fore upon becoming the imperial residence in the 4th century. Thereafter it was consistently ranked just after Rome. Jerusalem received a ceremonial place due to the city's importance in the early days of Christianity. Justinian and the Quinisext Council excluded from their pentarchical arrangement churches outside the empire, such as the then-flourishing Church of the East in Sassanid Persia, which they saw as heretical. Within the empire they recognized only the Chalcedonian (or Melchite) incumbents, regarding as illegitimate the non-Chalcedonian claimants of Alexandria and Antioch.

Infighting among the sees, and particularly the rivalry between Rome (which considered itself preeminent over all the church) and Constantinople (which came to hold sway over the other Eastern seesand which saw itself as equal to Rome, with Rome "first among equals"), prevented the pentarchy from ever becoming a functioning administrative reality. The Islamic conquests of Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Antioch in the 7th century left Constantinople the only practical authority in the East, and afterward the concept of a "pentarchy" retained little more than symbolic significance.

Tensions between East and West, which culminated in the East–West Schism, and the rise of powerful, largely independent metropolitan sees and patriarchates outside the Byzantine Empire in Bulgaria, Serbia, and Russia, eroded the importance of the old imperial sees. Today, only the sees of Rome and Constantinople still hold considerable authority over a Christian church, the first being the head of the Roman Catholic Church and the second having symbolic hegemony over the Orthodox Church.



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Quinisext Council - Wikipedia

The Quinisext Council (often called the Council in Trullo, Trullan Council, or the Penthekte Synod) was a church council held in 692 at Constantinople under Justinian II. It is often known as the Council in Trullo, because like the Sixth Ecumenical Council it was held in a domed hall in the Imperial Palace (τρούλος [troulos] meaning a cup or dome). Both the Fifth and the Sixth Ecumenical Councils had omitted to draw up disciplinary canons, and as this council was intended to complete both in this respect, it took the name of Quinisext (Latin: Concilium Quinisextum, Koine Greek: Πενθέκτη Σύνοδος, Penthékti Sýnodos), i.e. the Fifth-Sixth Council. It was attended by 215 bishops, all from the Eastern Roman Empire. Basil of Gortyna in Crete, however, belonged to the Roman patriarchate and called himself papal legate, though no evidence is extant of his right to use that title.

Many of the Council's canons were reiterations. It endorsed not only the six ecumenical councils already held (canon 1), but also the Apostolic Canons, the Synod of Laodicea, the Third Synod of Carthage, and the 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius (canon 2).[1]

The Council banned certain festivals and practices which were thought to have a pagan origin[which?] (hence the Council gives some insight to historians about pre-Christian religious practices).[2]

Many of the council's canons were aimed at settling differences in ritual observance and clerical discipline in different parts of the Christian Church. Being held under Byzantine auspices, with an exclusively Eastern clergy, these overwhelmingly took the practice of the Church of Constantinople as orthodox.[2] It explicitly condemned some customs of Armenian Christians – among them using wine unmixed with water for the Eucharist (canon 32), choosing children of clergy for appointment as clergy (canon 33), and eating eggs and cheese on Saturdays and Sundays of Lent (canon 56) – and decreed deposition for clergy and excommunication for laypeople who contravened the canons prohibiting these practices. Likewise, it reprobated, with similar penalties, the Roman customs of requiring perpetual continence (even outside of times of serving at the altar) of those ordained to the diaconate or priesthood (canon 13), and fasting on Saturdays of Lent (canon 55). Without explicitly mentioning the Roman Church, it also reprobated celebration of the Eucharist on days in Lent other than Saturdays, Sundays, and the feast of the Annunciation (canon 52).

While the Orthodox Church widely considers this council an addendum to the Fifth and Sixth Ecumenical Councils, adding its canons thereto[citation needed], the Roman Catholic Church has never accepted the council as authoritative or in any sense ecumenical. In the West, Venerable Bede calls it (in De sexta mundi aetate) a "reprobate" synod, and Paul the Deacon an "erratic" one.[3] For the attitude of the Roman bishops, in face of the various attempts to obtain their approval of these canons see Hefele.[4] However, Pope Hadrian I did write favourably of the canons of this council.[5]

The Pope of the time of the council, Sergius I, who was of Syrian origin, rejected it, preferring, he said, "to die rather than consent to erroneous novelties": though a loyal subject of the Empire, he would not be "its captive in matters of religion" and refused to sign the canons.[6] Emperor Justinian II ordered his arrest and abduction to Constantinople by the notoriously violent protospatharios Zacharias.[7] However, the militia of the exarchate of Ravenna frustrated the attempt.[8] Zacharias nearly lost his life in his attempt to arrest Sergius I.[9][10] Louis Duchesne suggests that it was in protest against the Council's banning of representations of Christ as a Lamb that Pope Sergius introduced the singing of the Agnus Dei at the breaking of the host at Mass.[11]

In Visigothic Spain, the council was ratified by the Eighteenth Council of Toledo at the urging of the king, Wittiza (694 – probably 710), who was vilified by later chroniclers for his decision.[12] Fruela I of Asturias (757–768) reversed the decision.[12]
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Matthew 18:18, He's not speaking to Peter, but all of them.

Basically, again at the end of Matthew.
Matthew 28:18-19
Baptism is one of the keys to salvation.

Forgive me...

Matthew 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Peter was chosen by Christ. If you cannot see that then I don't know what you are reading friend.
 
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Matthew 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Not the only time he said it though...

Matthew18:18 Verily I say unto you, what things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Forgive me...
 
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It's the most important time though.
Not really. You're focused on the word "you". It's being over emphasized. Compare it to the text of 18:18 when Christ is speaking to all the disciples.

The keys are the sacraments of the Church, always has been and always will be.

We can't take them from her. They must be given to us by her.

Forgive me...
 
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Not really. You're focused on the word "you". It's being over emphasized. Compare it to the text of 18:18 when Christ is speaking to all the disciples.

The keys are the sacraments of the Church, always has been and always will be.

We can't take them from her. They must be given to us by her.

Forgive me...

That's 'your' interpretation my friend.
 
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Not really. You're focused on the word "you". It's being over emphasized. Compare it to the text of 18:18 when Christ is speaking to all the disciples.

The keys are the sacraments of the Church, always has been and always will be.

We can't take them from her. They must be given to us by her.

Forgive me...


The founder and head of the Church is Jesus Christ, and Him alone!


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The statement Peter made was about Christ. That statement was the first baptismal creed of the Church.
That's 'your' interpretation my friend.
No my friend... it's The Church's interpretation.

And if you want to play the numbers game we are the second largest Christian group in the world behind Rome.

Don't backhand me with the word 'friend'. Speak plainly or not at all.

Forgive me...
 
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The founder and head of the Church is Jesus Christ, and Him alone!


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And that's exactly what the statement says.

Forgive me...
 
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