Terms Queen of heaven and Fully God and fully man... But at the same time?

[Alithis]

No reply would give the false impression to others that I agreed..I don't. We have Jesus as our perfect example.
Mary said yes to the Lord. That's it.
Later we find her and her other sons of Joseph coming to take Jesus home because they thought he had lost his mind.
Not a great example at all.and after that we have zero record of her life of faith in Jesus.

Oh, I agree all right. Do you agree that Mary did God's will perfectly? And we get to be His mothers and brothers by following her example, and following God's will as she did as best we can? Have you made the Jesus in your heart a single parent family?

No reply please. It's for you to think about.

 

[Alithis]

NESTORIANISM
This heresy about the person of Christ was initiated by Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, who denied Mary the title of Theotokos (Greek: "God-bearer" or, less literally, "Mother of God"). Nestorius claimed that she only bore Christ’s human nature in her womb, and proposed the alternative title Christotokos ("Christ-bearer" or "Mother of Christ").

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Nestorius’s theory would fracture Christ into two separate persons (one human and one divine, joined in a sort of loose unity), only one of whom was in her womb. The Church reacted in 431 with the Council of Ephesus, defining that Mary can be properly referred to as the Mother of God, not in the sense that she is older than God or the source of God, but in the sense that the person she carried in her womb was, in fact, God incarnate ("in the flesh").

Many evangelicals / nondenoms have Nestorianism mixed into their theology. They don't know it or won't admit it.

Do you have the insight/self-honesty to know why you are jumping to a totally different topic?

Off topic rant.

 

[Alithis]

That doesn't mean He stopped being God.

Can God be tempted by evil?
No .
Can flesh ..yes.
When he was emptied was he half full..? Nope.
You only want to call him man and God so you can defend the false godless.
You have no other motive.

 

[stuart lawrence]

But what about you? Jesus asked. Who do you say that I am? Simon Peter replied. You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus replied: Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man but by my father in heaven
Matt16:15-17

An alternative conversation.

But what about you? Jesus asked. Who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter replied: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus sighs deeply.
No Peter, that belief is not adequate. You must believe I have, for infinitum been part of an equal trinity. The Father is God, I am God and the Holy Spirit is also equally God. In the ontological sense of trinity I cannot be subject to the Father, but in the economic sense I am and always have been subject to the Father. And you must understand houmoussis also. I am of the same substance as the Father. Without accepting all of this you do not have the required belief as to who I am

Peter walks away shaking his head. He doesn't understand

 

[Alithis]

Okay. You don't give up, you are intensely, emotionally, irrationally anti-Catholic. You began this thread to put down Catholics, and their belief in the Virgin Mary. You have an unteachable spirit, because even when sound doctrine, backed by Scripture is placed in front of you, you refuse to even consider that something you believe may be wrong.

I could ignore you, but I won't because I want to see the other nonsense you are spouting, with the thought of undoing the confusion.

I observe how emotional you have become.
We have established that the presence of Mary is utterly unrequired for salvation.
And it is absolutely unnecessary to elevate her in any way what do ever.

So there is zero need to be so upset
.unless that is you actually think she is a goddess..and your devoted in worship of her.
But then you would be at enmity with God.

 

[Alithis]

And your statement backs MY point that you are unteachable.

Oh I'm.quite teachable from the direct unambiguous scripture.
You just don't like that I won't accept romes additions.
I'm sure if the political climate allowed for it..you would have me flogged at the least.

 

[Alithis]

The point I made had nothing to do with blessed Mary's titles etc. It had to do with your denial of Jesus Christ as God.

Lets do away with the dishonesty shall we. We all know I have not once denied who Jesus is.
And have stated that Mary is irrelvant to that . even if she fell from faith and was cast to he'll.Jesus would still be Lord.

Ok. Did Jesus have a human father?

I won't bother answering such a pointless off topic question.

Deal with the topic .
One.. Does bible scripture actually say Jesus was fully man and fully Godvatvthe same time ?
No It doesn't.
We have to take peices of verse and jam them together ..man coined the phrase not God
2. Since God remained in heaven as the father.the speaker spoke and the word he spoke became flesh .that which became flesh was born forth into the world as flesh..via Mary.
She did not birth nor mother God.

In the end this will be one of the final dividing lines between the true and the apostate.those who refuse to acknowledge the false goddess Wil be ousted from the false church .

 

[stuart lawrence]

WRONG! Mary IS alive in heaven, and is Queen

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY
John 6:40

When is the last day?
Forgive me but as I am on a mobile I cannot copy paste it all. I refer you to rev 20:11-15& rev21:1-4 read it ignoring the chapter division, as one whole segment.
The dead will be be raised and judged. And if your name is not found to be in the lambs book of life you will be destroyed. Therefore this judgement is for Christians and non Christians alike. If all Christians who had died were already in heaven they wouldn't be raised for judgement. This judgement is on the LAST DAY of this present earth, for immediatley following it:

Then I saw a NEW Heaven and a NEW earth, for the first earth and the first heaven had PASSED AWAY and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: NOW the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people and God himself will be with them and be their God.
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away
Rev21:1-4

 

[ViaCrucis]

Aah but it's not.
I Wil meet Mary one day and we will get on just fine. She being a fellow sister in the Lord.
Yet it is the man made man elevates image of her you are not willing to repent of worshipping.
You say You don't worship it. Yet here you are showing by action .which speak louder then words..that you so.

One of the greatest things about the rcc that make it what it is .is it's utter refusal to admit the blatantly obvious.
The denial of Mary worship offset by the utter servant defence is One of the greatest contradictions I have ever observed.
Honesty would be to admit you do then defend why.
But you remain dishonest about it.
And expect people to have respect for that ?

I do not worship the Blessed Virgin Mary, I only worship God. I respect and honor the Lord's mother as a Christian ought, by word of the holy angel who said that she was favored of God, by Mary's own words that all generations would call her blessed, her cousin Elizabeth's confession that she is blessed among women; because she bore in her womb the Eternal and Uncreated God. Because the Fruit of her womb is God Incarnate.

"The Logos became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." - John 1:14

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Lets do away with the dishonesty shall we. We all know I have not once denied who Jesus is.

So you haven't denied that Jesus is fully God and fully man?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Lets do away with the dishonesty shall we. We all know I have not once denied who Jesus is.
And have stated that Mary is irrelvant to that . even if she fell from faith and was cast to he'll.Jesus would still be Lord.

I won't bother answering such a pointless off topic question.

Deal with the topic .
One.. Does bible scripture actually say Jesus was fully man and fully Godvatvthe same time ?
No It doesn't.
We have to take peices of verse and jam them together ..man coined the phrase not God
2. Since God remained in heaven as the father.the speaker spoke and the word he spoke became flesh .that which became flesh was born forth into the world as flesh..via Mary.
She did not birth nor mother God.

In the end this will be one of the final dividing lines between the true and the apostate.those who refuse to acknowledge the false goddess Wil be ousted from the false church .

Then your argument is that Jesus is not God. Thus you are denying who Jesus is. Jesus Christ is true and very God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[prodromos]

Jesus plainly states the Father is the only true God.

Jesus also plainly states that He and the Father are ONE.

 

[Alithis]

Then your argument is that Jesus is not God. Thus you are denying who Jesus is. Jesus Christ is true and very God.

-CryptoLutheran

Your trying hard .but sorry wrong.
The question is not is Jesus the word of God .
The question is ...was he fully man and fully God AT THE SAME TIME .
?
Scripture never used those words
They are added.

And the same challenge goes to you.
You SAY you don't worship Mary.
Good. Prove it.
Take an image of her renounce that she is anything but a mortal wronan born of Adam ..smash or burn the image.
After all its not her..it's just an image.
An idol in fact.
If you bought me an image of budah..to my house I would do exactly that to it.
And image of any million false Hindu gods will all get similar treatment.

An image of the dead body of Jesus on the cross will also get the same treatment because my Redeemer lives.he is not a dead image .
I won't violate the law of God and then spend hours justifying it.
You can convince 100million men .But it is God you Will stand and give account to.

 

[Alithis]

Jesus also plainly states that He and the Father are ONE.

He does indeed.And it is of No surprise that he NEVER calls Mary the mother of God.
Hmm the word of God never gives her that title .God never bestows it upon her ..so who did..?? Answer ..man .

The only time the queen of heaven is mentioned in scripture is when God declare the title to be a thing he gates.

 

[prodromos]

He does indeed.And it is of No surprise that he NEVER calls Mary the mother of God.
Hmm the word of God never gives her that title .God never bestows it upon her ..so who did..?? Answer ..man .

Huh? What does any of that have to do with my post?

The only time the queen of heaven is mentioned in scripture is when God declare the title to be a thing he gates.

Are you referring to the prophecy of Mary's perpetual virginity in Ezekiel 44:2?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jesus also plainly states that He and the Father are ONE.

Jesus also states:
That they( the believers) may be one AS(AS) we are one
John17:22

So am I prodomos and prodomos is Stuart lawrence?

 

[Alithis]

Huh? What does any of that have to do with my post?

Are you referring to the prophecy of Mary's perpetual virginity in Ezekiel 44:2?

Oh dear..that's possibly the most embarrassing hashed up manipulated and deformed piece of scriptural interpretation I have ever seen .
Since we all know it speaks of The Easten gate entrance to the city of Jerusalem ..still there and still closed up untill this very day.
Could you take absentancevmore out of context for your own ends them you have with this one.
Ezekiel did not write verse numbers.

 

[prodromos]

Jesus also states:
That they( the believers) may be one AS(AS) we are one
John17:22

So am I prodomos and prodomos is Stuart lawrence?

Different concept of "one" to that expressed by Jesus in John 10:30.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Different concept of "one" to that expressed by Jesus in John 10:30.

I'm afraid not.

That they may be one AS AS we are one

 

[stuart lawrence]

For those not governed simply by what their church tells them. How can believers be as one? Only through the Holy Spirit( phil2:2) They can be of one heart and one mind, in unity through the Spirit:

My prayer is not for them alone, I pray also for those who believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one Father. JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one AS we are one. I in them and you in me, may they be brought to complete unity
John17:20-23

How can believers be in Father and Son and Father and Son be in believers?
Only through the Holy Spirit who dwells in all believers.
JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they also be in us.
How can believers be as one?
Only through the Holy Spirit. They are not one person, but one in heart and mind they can be through the Spirit.

That they may be one AS we are one.