Wanting to observe the Sabbath

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The Sabbath of God that was made for mankind is the 7th Days Sabbath. The 1st day of the week is not the Sabbath. There is only 1 Sabbath and it is the 7th day of the week, not the 1st day

Exodus 20:8-11


God is our example of why we are called to work 6 days and rest on the 7th day(the Sabbath)

What kind of job do you have? The 1st day of the week is not the Sabbath, so it's okay to work on the first day of the week.

We should not be doing servile work on the Sabbath. Any of the other 6 days of the week are okay to work on.

Christians are called to rest on the 7th day too.

Not how I see it or study it in Scripture. But to each his own :) This has been an on-going debate for centuries. For me, the Sabbath is every moment of every day. Consider the lilies, Jesus teaches us. Therese of Lisieux calls it The Little Way, and Brother Lawrence calls it Practicing the Presence of God. Thomas a'Kempis calls it The Imitation of Christ.
 
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The Sabbath of God that was made for mankind is the 7th Days Sabbath. The 1st day of the week is not the Sabbath. There is only 1 Sabbath and it is the 7th day of the week, not the 1st day
I truly believe the statement Jesus made about the Sabbath is being taken out of context. If the Sabbath had been made for anyone besides the Israelites God would have surely made it known to them. Actually the verse states that it was made for man (not mankind) and Jesus was addressing a bunch of Jews. Had they taken His statement as meaning for all mankind there would have been a bunch of furious Jews because Gentiles were unclean and couldn't partake of the ritual day.

Exodus 20:8-11


God is our example of why we are called to work 6 days and rest on the 7th day(the Sabbath)
Where do you get the WE stuff. It was the Israelites that were not to work on Sabbath. God didn't ask any other to observe those rules. And mind you you are persistent in thinking you are under the Sabbath law then you are also required to work 6 days, that is part of the command.

What kind of job do you have? The 1st day of the week is not the Sabbath, so it's okay to work on the first day of the week.
It is okay to work any day. We are not living under the Sinai covenant. How hard is that to understand friend.

We should not be doing servile work on the Sabbath. Any of the other 6 days of the week are okay to work on.
According to who or what?

Christians are called to rest on the 7th day too.
Where??????
 
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I truly believe the statement Jesus made about the Sabbath is being taken out of context. If the Sabbath had been made for anyone besides the Israelites God would have surely made it known to them. Actually the verse states that it was made for man (not mankind) and Jesus was addressing a bunch of Jews. Had they taken His statement as meaning for all mankind there would have been a bunch of furious Jews because Gentiles were unclean and couldn't partake of the ritual day.


Where do you get the WE stuff. It was the Israelites that were not to work on Sabbath. God didn't ask any other to observe those rules. And mind you you are persistent in thinking you are under the Sabbath law then you are also required to work 6 days, that is part of the command.


It is okay to work any day. We are not living under the Sinai covenant. How hard is that to understand friend.


According to who or what?

Where??????
Instead of going back and forth over something we both have our minds made up on, do we at least agree that the 7th day is the Sabbath? (Even if you don't keep the Sabbath) [sunset on Friday evening through sunset Saturday evening]

I'm not sure how people can truly believe the Sabbath is now the first day of the week, on Sunday. That's 100% manmade tradition.

The Sabbath still foreshadows the Messiah coming back, at the end of the first 6,000 years, for the 1,000 year millenial reign.
 
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Instead of going back and forth over something we both have our minds made up on, do we at least agree that the 7th day is the Sabbath?
Not hardly. The 7th day WAS the Sabbath. It was instituted at Sinai and ended at the Cross along with all the rest of Torah. That is why Paul tells us that the law was until Jesus. Gal 3:19

(Even if you don't keep the Sabbath) [sunset on Friday evening through sunset Saturday evening]
I really tried to "keep" it, but like the Israelites I never was able. I always missed the mark. Somehow I always either actually did my own pleasure or my thoughts were on my own pleasure. I have to smile when my SDA friends and family tell me they "keep" the Sabbath.

I'm not sure how people can truly believe the Sabbath is now the first day of the week, on Sunday. That's 100% manmade tradition.
I totally agree with you. Man seems to follow tradition in place of God's Word.

The Sabbath still foreshadows the Messiah coming back, at the end of the first 6,000 years, for the 1,000 year millenial reign
Are you able to give me proof of that from scripture?
 
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I'm wanting to observe the Sabbath. However, I do not know how to observe it. I want to just relax at home but I realize I'm not comfortable doing that (I always have to have something to do or I feel like a sluggard). I have been convicted that I need to drive to town and hold up a sign that has a teaching of Jesus on it, but I'm not sure if this is allowed. My conscience won't let me just relax and read my bible and says I need to get out there and work for the Lord, but for months now my conscience has also been convicting me that I need to observe the Sabbath. Are these conflicting? I wouldn't be surprised because my conscience has convicted me of contradicting ideas before many times.

Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were so" We call that "sola scriptura" testing of doctrine.

You and I both know that the Exodus 20:7 command "do not take God's name in vain" is not quoted in the NT at all - and not quoted in Genesis to Exodus until Exodus 20:7... yet it still applies to all mankind.

This is irrefutable.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
Revelation 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Isaiah 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

It is a day of Worship -- for "all mankind" as we see in the text above- and as no one who opposes God's Bible Sabbath would bother to quote for you.

Leviticus 23:
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is The Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Rest and holy convocation. No secular work

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from The Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call The Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

It is the "Day of the Lord" it is not a day for mundane secular discussion or work.

And we are not to allow man-made-tradition to trample down the Commandments of God.

Mark 7
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Under the NEW Covenant the Commandments of God - the LAW of God - are "Written on the heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And of course both Jeremiah and his readers knew that the TEN Commandments were included in the LAW of God.

so also do the majority of even pro-Sunday scholars admit to this key Bible detail.
 
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Romans 8:4-9 the lost "do not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they" -- this is contrasted to the saints in Romans 8:4-9 who walk by the Spirit and fulfill the LAW.

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 
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Christ said - the "Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27 -- speaking of the "making of BOTH" that we see in Genesis 1-2:3.

I truly believe the statement Jesus made about the Sabbath is being taken out of context. If the Sabbath had been made for anyone besides the Israelites God would have surely made it known to them.

your personal preference "noted".

But I will stick with the actual Bible on this one.
 
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I'm wanting to observe the Sabbath. However, I do not know how to observe it...

I regret that these threads always deteriorate into "when" not "how" to observe the Sabbath. Or Old Covenant vs. New Covenant debates. Here is an interesting article on Sabbath keeping by Jews, the people to whom Moses delivered the commandments. This represents the height of Sabbath rest. I wish I could be so dedicated.
 
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I regret that these threads always deteriorate into "when" not "how" to observe the Sabbath. Or Old Covenant vs. New Covenant debates. Here is an interesting article on Sabbath keeping by Jews, the people to whom Moses delivered the commandments. This represents the height of Sabbath rest. I wish I could be so dedicated.
Too bad friend about your regret, there is no new covenant Sabbath, so that needs to be explained. Why go through the Old Testament pulling out all that God had to say to Israel as how to keep Holy God's requirement for only now defunct Israel?
 
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I regret that these threads always deteriorate into "when" not "how" to observe the Sabbath.


Am wondering if you actually read the OP given your statement above.

Or Old Covenant vs. New Covenant debates. Here is an interesting article on Sabbath keeping by Jews, the people to whom Moses delivered the commandments. This represents the height of Sabbath rest. I wish I could be so dedicated.

I prefer 'here is what the Bible says on this subject'
 
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Maybe because OP wanted some information about how to keep the Sabbath?
Okay here is some information. Ask one hundred Sabbath observers and get one hundred different answers. Or, you could read all of the books SDA prophet Ellen White wrote on Sabbath observance. According to them and her she had direct communication with one of God's special angels. The funny thing is that the Bible's New Testament has nothing to say as how gentiles are to keep the Sabbath. The Jews would not allow them into the Temple so as to learn and there is no indication that God wanted them to learn. When it comes down to the rubber meeting the road the only thing I can figure out is that Sabbath observance is used as a ploy by a few churches to get the unsuspecting to join their ranks. Once indoctrinated the members pick and choose what rules seem kosher. Some go to church and come home and sleep all afternoon, others take a walk through the woods or maybe even go wading in a brook, but not over your knees, some do some visiting of other members and get caught up on what others are doing. One thing when I was a Sabbath observer I was not supposed to do is visit non Sabbath observing people because they just might have their TV on or they might want to talk abut worldly things on the Holy day. I was not supposed to do my own pleasure on Sabbath. That about tells it all. Have a happy Sabbath. Oh yes, I forgot to tell you that you should not cook frozen peas on the Sabbath. Yep, that came from an ordained pastor during our Sabbath gathering. Undoubtedly Ellen would have verified this if when she lived they would have had frozen peas.

Now that I have given some information to help itinerant Sabbath observers to have a blissful day, I have to tell you that Christians are not under the laws that governed Israel. The laws that governed Israel ended at Calvary and that included the Israelite Sabbath.
 
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Now that I have given some information to help itinerant Sabbath observers to have a blissful day, I have to tell you that Christians are not under the laws that governed Israel. The laws that governed Israel ended at Calvary and that included the Israelite Sabbath.

As, I said some people want to observe the Sabbath despite whether doing so is required of them as Christians. Perhaps they consider it a spiritual discipline. And if they want to, what harm does it do? None in my opinion.

And then there are others who think if God thought a day of rest was a grand idea for Jews, he might also be pleased if Christians to do it.

And then there are others who think God doesn't change His mind, and values the same thing regardless of His audience.

Take my grandparents...Christians, neither SDA or Jewish, who had strict Sabbath rules including that TV abstinence you mentioned. It was a day set aside in their house for recreation, enjoying each other, worship, & reflection. In hindsight, I think their lives were enhanced by it. And, I rather enjoyed visiting there on those days despite my objection at the time of doing without a TV.
 
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I sure wish someone would have given me reason not to plunge into something that is not required Biblically nor ever enhance my relationship with Jesus. it was a very restrictive day and the worst part of it all I failed to meet the standards set by the church and old covenant requirements. I had continual remorse and for what? Now when I need a day off I take it. When I feel the need to rest in Jesus I do. No one is big daddy looking over my shoulder like Sabbath observing churches do. The only ones judging me are the Sabbath thumpers.
 
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I'm wanting to observe the Sabbath. However, I do not know how to observe it. I want to just relax at home but I realize I'm not comfortable doing that (I always have to have something to do or I feel like a sluggard). I have been convicted that I need to drive to town and hold up a sign that has a teaching of Jesus on it, but I'm not sure if this is allowed. My conscience won't let me just relax and read my bible and says I need to get out there and work for the Lord, but for months now my conscience has also been convicting me that I need to observe the Sabbath. Are these conflicting? I wouldn't be surprised because my conscience has convicted me of contradicting ideas before many times.

The Sabbath is more about finding rest for our souls than it is about finding rest for our bodies. It's about taking time away from what profits us in this world to have time to spend with God, being in His Word, in prayer, and as part of a community of believers. According to Matthew 11:28-30 and Jeremiah 6:16-19, God's Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls. Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, so the instruction to rest of the Sabbath was never intended to prevent us from doing God's work. The priests continued do their duty on the Sabbath, yet were held innocent because they were doing God's work (Matthew 12:5). We should busy ourselves with loving God and our neighbors, and this is how we are to rest from our work on the Sabbath.
 
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I assumed the Sabbath meant was Sunday. I was raised Baptist, and Sunday is often called that.

According to the Bible, the Sabbath is on the 7th day (Leviticus 23:3), which also known as Saturday. Jews reckoned days as starting in the evening based on the creation account in Genesis listing the evening first and then the morning, so it was kept from Friday at sundown until Saturday at sundown. Over the centuries, it got changed to Sunday, with it even being illegal to worship in Saturday at one point. However, there is nothing in Scripture that says the Sabbath got changed to Sunday, while we do have an example in Scripture of Jesus taking the Pharisees to task for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions (Mark 7:6-9).
 
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Well the point of Sabbath (Friday evening to Saturday evening) would be to set aside the day to rest in the remembrance of how God rested on the seventh day. Simply that. The idea of Sabbath now being necessarily a day of worship as in needing to be in a church is not law, but to assemble on a day where you're not working is usually part of it. If you're talking about the day of Pentecost (Sunday) then yes, the day is made to set aside in remembrance of how the spirit came down on the 1st day, so the assembling on that day is how people recognize it.

Assembling is not set to a day, you can worship with others any day of the week. Setting aside a day or time of the week to do work for God is not tied to a day, you can do that any day of the week. But if it helps your walk to set a day, do it. If you feel convicted to do some evangelism on that day, do it. God only asks of us not to forsake assembling with others (Hebrews 10), and being in a church organization that's already established kinda takes out the guesswork. That's why it is still strongly encouraged to join one and the choice of doing it on a day you're not working, "rest day".

That's my take on it.

Leviticus 23:3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

A holy convocation on the 7th day has always been part of the command to keep the Sabbath. I used to think that we could pick any day of the week that we wanted to rest, but nowhere does the Bible suggest anything like that. Out of love for God and out of faith in Him to guide us in how to rightly live, we should seek to worship Him in the way that He wants to be worshiped rather than worshiping Him in the way that we want to worship.
 
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With all due respect, what about all the men of God who preached in the streets? I kinda know what your talking about and I have always felt that it's weird as well, but there will always be people that are going to disregard what you say no matter how you say it. I was out a few days ago thinking how weird it was and how I would rather be just showing people Christ's teachings by my good works. Then I considered that maybe the work was doing more than I thought it was. It may be the only bit of Bible some people get in there lives. Plus I wouldn't say I preach. I'm not comfortable doing that, unless just holding a sign and only saying something when people talk to you is considered preaching.

I know people who regularly do street preaching and have good results. However, there are both good and bad ways to go about doing that. I recently heard the testimony of someone who was witnessing to Muslims and having very little success in the beginning because he was taking an approach that was offensive to them, which very nearly ended him up in jail on blasphemy charges. If you're heart is set on street preaching, then I suggest trying to find someone who is experienced in doing that and mentoring with them to help you to take the right approach. You're not there to yell at people and condemn them, but to love them and show them the light.
 
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The Jewish Sabbath was part of the law.

Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed.

Hebrews 7.19 says that what the believer now has is better than the law.

The Sabbath isn't even remotely the subject of those verses.
 
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