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Now, you all know that the history channel is never wrong.
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...I believe you live in an area with a priest shortage, and I'm sure that has an impact on his decision concerning what to do with the priest.
Shhh...Thats Orthodoxy.At some point, elevating a member of the laity to that role has got to be better than allowing a rogue priest to persist.
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At some point, elevating a member of the laity to that role has got to be better than allowing a rogue priest to persist.
Mum's the word..........Shhh...Thats Orthodoxy.
Forgive me...
I understand, that Martin Luther was so "inspired" by the notion of "Salvation by Faith alone" that he sought to excise the Epistle of James, the brother of the Lord, from canon.
And, if so, then as "birds of a feather flock together" and "judge a tree by its collective fruit", what does that say about Joseph, Mary, & Jesus ?
Okay. Never heard that one before. I'll have to search for more information on that notion, or do you have a source?
It says nothing. We don't accept guilt by association. I thought we got over that one when they tried that accusation on Jesus.
Luther's canon - WikipediaOkay. Never heard that one before. I'll have to search for more information on that notion, or do you have a source?
It says nothing. We don't accept guilt by association. I thought we got over that one when they tried that accusation on Jesus.
Currently, I am attending a presbyterian church and have many bible conservative friends. I am pretty new to Christianity and when I ask about these, my friends tend to just brush it off as "because the pastor said..." or "Catholic is idolism..." kind of skewed judgement and opinions. So if you could please, just share what you think about my questions.... I have never studied or learned Catholic faith (if it is any different from Christianity I learned from my church), so please forgive my ignorance.
1. Catholics believe in Jesus as their savior and he is the son of the God. So Catholics do go to heaven as well, right? (My friend said in the Catholic faith, it said they have to do good things to be in Heaven, so they can't go to Heaven because Catholics don't believe in Jesus solely to go to heaven. Honestly, I didn't get what she meant.)
2. If i missed my church's sermon on Sunday morning, can I go to a Catholic mass? (I know going to a sermon is not 100% necessary action to take, but I like to have something in my weekend to keep my spirit up for the upcoming week.) As a non-Catholic, but Christian, can I attend the mass?
3. During the Catholic mass, when they give out the bread and wine part (I am sorry, I don't know what it is called...My church doesn't do it a lot..may be on Christmas only.). am I allowed to join because I was baptized as a Christian? Or is it solely for Catholic?
4. My church said I don't need to pray to my angel or saints or anyone except Jesus. Then what is the purpose of angels and saints? Even if the saints are not 'real' in protestant faith, isn't angel something the God said we all have? Should we just...ignore them?
5. What is the role of Mary in Catholic church? I know Catholics don't' worship her, but honor her because she was the mother of Jesus. Then why not honor Joseph, the father of Jesus, in the same respect? Why is the virgin birth so important? Isn't Nazareth's revival more amazing miracle? (Again, I am new to the faith, this question is out from my ignorance. Not trying ot compare miracles or anything like that)
"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."
6. Does Catholic really teach that non-believers who do good things also go to heaven?
7. I don't see a lot of Catholic evangelism movement as much as Protestant churches do. Is there reason for it or Catholics do have those movements but it is just not well known?
The Ottomans financed Luther and other Protestants from the 16th century AD on. The outright alliance between Lutheran Germany and the Ottomans in the 19th-20th centuries AD only corroborates the claim.
Luther's canon - Wikipedia
Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.[5]
"If Luther's negative view of these books were based only upon the fact that their canonicity was disputed in early times, 2 Peter might have been included among them, because this epistle was doubted more than any other in ancient times."[1] However, the prefaces that Luther affixed to these four books makes it evident "that his low view of them was more due to his theological reservations than with any historical investigation of the canon."
Luther was so "inspired" by sola gratia, sola fide that he wanted to remove Scriptures which didn't agree with his "better ideas":
Perhaps someday history will be the judge?
- Epistle of James the Just, Bishop of Jerusalem, brother of the Lord
- Epistle of Jude, brother of Jesus
- Revelations, written by the hand of John "the beloved" Apostle (the only one to survive into the 2nd century AD and die a natural death)
- Hebrews, written by Paul -- upon whose other Epistles, Luther based his sola gratia, sola fide... so I guess even Luther realized then that St. Paul "didn't bat 1.000" (?!)...
Catholics like Protestants, typically don't conform completely to their category. Mis-belief isn't always un-belief. Salvation is mercy based, not merit based.QUOTE="HRDJ, post: 71620235, member: 400433"]HI - I am not posting this to start any kind of fight. I am just really really curious and confused.
Currently, I am attending a presbyterian church and have many bible conservative friends. I am pretty new to Christianity and when I ask aboutt these, my friends tend to just brush it 6off as "because the pastor said..." or "Catholic is idolism..." kind of skewed judgement and opinions. So if you could please, just share what you think about my questions.... I have never studied or learned Catholic faith (if it is any different from Christianity I learned from my church), so please forgive my ignorance.
1. Catholics believe in Jesus as their savior and he is the son of the God. So Catholics do go to heaven as well, right? (My friend said in the Catholic faith, it said they have to do good things to be in Heaven, so they can't go to Heaven because Catholics don't believe in Jesus solely to go to heaven. Honestly, I didn't get what she meant.)
Whose permission do you really need?2. If i missed my church's sermon on Sunday morning, can I go to a Catholic mass? (I know going to a sermon is not 100% necessary action to take, but I like to have something in my weekend to keep my spirit up for the upcoming week.) As a non-Catholic, but Christian, can I attend the mass?
If I'm not mistaken, Catholics won't even share the Eucharist (communion) with each other since 1054.3. During the Catholic mass, when they give out the bread and wine part (I am sorry, I don't know what it is called...My church doesn't do it a lot..may be on Christmas only.). am I allowed to join because I was baptized as a Christian? Or is it solely for Catholic?
Angels and saints have a multitude of purposes, but what makes you think they are going to help you if God won't? If you believe you have His ear, what business do you have with the others?4. My church said I don't need to pray to my angel or saints or anyone except Jesus. Then what is the purpose of angels and saints? Even if the saints are not 'real' in protestant faith, isn't angel something the God said we all have? Should we just...ignore them?
Definitely get a copy of "Papal Sin - Structures of Deceit" by Catholic author and university professor Garry Wills. He devotes a whole chapter to it. I still haven't read his book "Why I'm Still Catholic".5. What is the role of Mary in Catholic church? I know Catholics don't' worship her, but honor her because she was the mother of Jesus. Then why not honor Joseph, the father of Jesus, in the same respect? Why is the virgin birth so important? Isn't Nazareth's revival more amazing miracle? (Again, I am new to the faith, this question is out from my ignorance. Not trying ot compare miracles or anything like that)
Arguable. They double-speak about having a works or merit based salvation (soteriology), in my opinion.6. Does Catholic really teach that non-believers who do good things also go to heaven?
Evangelism is hard to control, and they are big on control. The impulse gets channeled into works... again, in my opinion. A lot of Catholics here are hostile to me. I was raised Roman Catholic and knew in 1st grade catechism I was being bamboozled. By fourth grade when they tried to indoctrinate me with transubstantiation, I figured out I would have to keep my head down until I was old enough to walk away.7. I don't see a lot of Catholic evangelism movement as much as Protestant churches do. Is there reason for it or Catholics do have those movements but it is just not well known? I
Do you believe they can have a relationship with Jesus if they have never heard his name or about the bible?Only individuals who have a relationship with Jesus Christ will spend eternity with God
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They seem to think that Martin Luther was our Pope. They also seem to think that we consider our denominations each as the "One True Church." They've certainly got their paradigm.
Some of us need permission so badly, we create elites to dole it out.They seem to think that Martin Luther was our Pope. They also seem to think that we consider our denominations each as the "One True Church." They've certainly got their paradigm.