September 23 'sign in the heavens' debunked.

[JacksBratt]

Its Astrology. You seem to be looking to the stars.

There is a difference between:

1/ Pieces is in the seventh house on Friday so you will have a new car and a friendship will end.

AND

2/ The blood moons coinciding with key events. Whether these events are apparent right away or made apparent in a year or two by the mere events that they set in motion.

 

[Ronald]

This sign by itself would be less outstanding. But it happens to be in the middle of the Feast of Trumpets, two days after Rosh Hashanah, seven days before Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement -- which also happens to be 40 days prior to this recent solar eclipse), two weeks before the 17th of Tishri (as in the Days of Noah so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man - the day the flood began), 1257 days after the First Blood Moon in the famous Tetrad (that everyone saw came and went and was viewed as folly), almost 70 years (one generation -- according to Psalm 90:10) after Israel became a nation in 1948 (and might I add that the UN pronounced it on Nov. 29, 1947) and finally, Jesus said, "this gospel of the kingdom of heaven shall be preached to every nation ... AND THEN THE END WILL COME. It has been agreed upon that the gospel has reached the entire planet. Of course babies are born everyday, but there isn't a nation that hasn't heard the gospel and this has just recently been accomplished in the last couple of years . To add to this, the Middle East is on fire, there are over 80 Islamic terrorist groups in the world including ISIS who are pushing for Jihad against Israel, Christians and the rest of the infidels. You have Rev.20:4 being fulfilled as we speak -- the Beast's signature is "chopping off heads" and their mark is worn on their sleeves or headbands.

So debunk this sign, doubt it, but what of all the others??? What about these symbols? If terrorist broke into your house and forced you to denounce Jesus, convert to Islam and wear these symbols, will you debunk them too?

 

[GeorgeJ]

Well, when nothing happens, I'm sure that someone will find something that happened and attribute it to this "sign", just so they don't walk around with egg on their face.

 

[Revealing Times]

So, when Jesus tells us there will be signs in the stars in Luke 21, you are saying He was promoting astrology?

And there will be, the Sun will be Darkened and the Moon will turn to Blood at the same time that the Stars are shaken and a Great Earthquake, GREATER that ever before happens. That has nothing to do with Reading the Stars which God strictly prohibits.

Genesis 1:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Meaning use the Stars for NAVIGATION !!!

And using the Sun and Moon for TIME TELLING...Days, Years Seasons.

 

[JacksBratt]

And there will be, the Sun will be Darkened and the Moon will turn to Blood at the same time that the Stars are shaken and a Great Earthquake, GREATER that ever before happens. That has nothing to do with Reading the Stars which God strictly prohibits.


Meaning use the Stars for NAVIGATION !!!

And using the Sun and Moon for TIME TELLING...Days, Years Seasons.

Again, there is a difference between looking at a constellation of stars, in relation to the moon or sun and using this to predict when to buy lotto tickets or sell a house or when you are going to fall in love......

AND

Being aware of the events that are in the heavenly bodies as they relate to scripture.

When the Bible says that the heavenly bodies will be used for signs.... I don't think it was meant to be Street signs on the ocean. It was meant as signs... like the leaves turning color is a sign of the fall. Buds on the trees a sign of spring.

My grandfather who was born in the late 1800's and lived to be 92, told me that he used to be able to look at the sky and know what the weather would be for the next day or so.... He told me that, in the 70's, he could no longer do it anymore..... the signs were no longer reliable.

Why is it so hard to differentiate between using the stars as a guide to buy stocks or sell a house or marry the person your with............ and being aware of the season we are in when it is used on the scale of the events of prophesy.

Luke 21:25-27

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

[Riberra]

After the "Blood Moon"of about two years ago, I am mentally prepared for another non-event on Sept. 23.

There will be less "signs" ...
What will be the next rapturist hype ?The invisible Planet X ...or maybe Super Planet Y ! The rapture crowd have lot of imagination ..be prepare.They will again deceive many..its written in the stars.

 

[Sanoy]

I think the 9/23/17 “sign” has been debunked because it is neither rare nor very symbolic from an astronomical perspective when you actually look at the data: http://thechristmasstar.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/TheSignofRevelation12.pdf

For example,

(1) the sign is not even visible to the naked eye.

(2) To determine how rare the 23 September 2017 configuration actually might be, look at the 21 years of the sign’s appearance between 2000 and 2020. Since the sign frequently appears during the Jewish holy day of Rosh Hashana, those dates are included (in the link above), along with the date of the event (Virgo clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet), the location of the sun in Virgo, the type of moon at Virgo’s feet, and the number of planets in both Virgo and Leo when the sign appears. Interestingly, during the 21 year period, the sign appeared seven times on Rosh Hashana (year in bold print), seven times on the day after Rosh Hashana and seven times a full month after Rosh Hashana.

(3) Because Mercury is so close to the sun, it will always be present when the sun is located in Virgo. Being the next closest planet to the sun, Venus will normally appear in Leo, Virgo or Libra when the sign appears (10 times in Virgo or Leo in the 21 years). Mars passes through Virgo about once every 2 years and appears four times in Virgo during the period; Jupiter passes through Virgo and makes one to two appearances in the constellation every 12 years. Saturn will spend 4 or 5 years in Virgo about every 27 years. Thus, the appearance of multiple planets in the two constellations when the sign appears is common, not unusual. Proponents for the sign claim that the appearance of four planets in the two constellations in 2017 is extremely rare. But, as can be seen in the table, four planets appeared in the two constellations in 2008, 2015 and 2017, and in 2008 the sign appeared during Rosh Hashana. The number of planets in the two constellations in conjunction with the sign’s appearance for the 21 year period is as follows: 1 planet = 2 times; 2 planets = 8 times; 3 planets = 8 times; 4 planets = 3 times. Four planets appearing in the two constellations is not an “extremely” rare occurrence.

Thank you for putting this together for our benefit and sharpening. There are a few places where I believe the article fails to address what is happening.

1. Can you see it? When people watched the stars they mapped where things were over a time period each night. They knew what movements should be expected without seeing them just like we do now. (Can Virgo even be seen through the light pollution at night?) The woman must be clothed in the sun but according to Scott Clarke the necessary parts can be identified in the morning.

2. The sign is common. Revelation 12 is common, but not the sign contained within it. Revelation 12 describes the boundaries of the sign, not the sign. The article goes on to describe Jesus's birth as an alignment contained within the boundary of Revelation 12. The boundaries described in Rev 12, either in individual parts or the whole, appear and repeat often however it does not contain any message. The author used Stary Night to see the "message in the stars" on the back drop of Revelation 12. That is what 9/23 is doing as well. In any case Scott Clarke has said he has looked 7,000 years into the future and saw no significant events within the boundary of Rev 12.

3. The sign isn't the same. It's not supposed to be. Revelation 12 contains two parts. It contains the part of Jesus's birth and satans expulsion by Michael (Ophiuchus) and a second part. The woman has to go into the wilderness twice because she is continually giving birth (v17). The second part of the story includes a dragon that is free (Hydra), wings that are given to Virgo (Corvus Bird) and water that is poured out by the dragon (Crator - Cup facing virgo as if spilled). This second section is on Virgo's right side. Ophichus is above (her left, feet side) Virgo and casts satan down from heaven to the earth, where satan shows up below Virgo as Hydra, a water constellation to the right side of Virgo.

Look at the images from stary night or stelara for the constellations. Imagine those images like a piece of paper where God will write a message just as he did for the Magi. Well God only used half of that piece of paper for Jesus, there is still another piece of that paper he has yet to write on because Rev 12 includes a second part that has not happened.

That is where the 9/23 sign comes into play. It is not supposed to be the same sign, it's supposed to be on the same piece of paper, or boundary, as Rev 12. We should expect to see another sign in the stars using the same boundaries that Rev 12 describes to fulfill the later part of the events in Rev 12. The woman given wings to flee has not happened but still sits in astronomical expectation within Chapter 12.

Virgo already has a crown. There are billions of stars in every constellation. However only certain ones construct a constellation. If you are declaring an astronomical arrangement for others that know about astronomical arrangements you are going to use astronomical arrangements, not random stars. Leo works as 9+3 for Jesus's birth. There is no reason to draw circles around meaningless stars as the author has done.

 

[JacksBratt]

There will be less "signs" ...
What will be the next rapturist hype ?The invisible Planet X ...or maybe Super Planet Y ! The rapture crowd have lot of imagination ..be prepare.They will again deceive many..its written in the stars.

Let me ask you... What are you going to do for seven ( or at least 3 1/2 yrs, after the anitchrist takes full control ) years when you cannot work, cannot buy anything, cannot sell anything, cannot travel.... but must hide from authorities who are killing any Christian found, who will not denounce Christ? Not to forget that if you have any friends that are not Christian they will gladly turn you in.

Another question... How many Christians do you think will be left on the face of this earth after 3 1/2 to 7 years of "hunt and kill the Christians.... world wide?

 

[Riberra]

Let me ask you... What are you going to do for seven ( or at least 3 1/2 yrs, after the anitchrist takes full control ) years when you cannot work, cannot buy anything, cannot sell anything, cannot travel.... but must hide from authorities who are killing any Christian found, who will not denounce Christ? Not to forget that if you have any friends that are not Christian they will gladly turn you in.

I can return the question to you...what will you do when you will realize that there will be NO pre-trib rapture nor mid-trib rapture?

Another question... How many Christians do you think will be left on the face of this earth after 3 1/2 to 7 years of "hunt and kill the Christians.... world wide?

Less than 10,000 Christians . While the RAPTURISTS who waited in vain for the rapture will take the mark to save their life..... For the elect sake these days will be shortened.

 

[JacksBratt]

I can return the question to you...what will you do when you will realize that there will be NO pre-trib rapture nor mid-trib rapture?

You first. It's not polite to answer a question with a question. Especially one as direct as mine was.

Less than 10,000 Christians . While the RAPTURISTS who waited in vain for the rapture will take the mark to save their life..... For the elect sake these days will be shortened.

Really? You think that the 144,000 will not be in Israel? Other than these 144,000, I think the number would be closer to zero.

It is also a bit bold and assuming, if not insulting to say that "all RAPTURISTS" will take the mark.
The bible clearly states that some will be "caught up" (which is where the word "rapture" came from)and instantly changed.

There are three views on the event called by modern theologians... the rapture. It is in direct reference to those "who will not sleep" and will be "caught up" and will not taste death.
These are pre, mid and post tribulation views.... All three are argued quite regularly here.

So, if think "RAPTURISTS" are in error.... you are up against a lot of well read and well educated Christian bible believers.

 

[Blade]

Every YEAR this happens... I give you JUST two different ones "September 23, 2015:WARNING....or March 23, 2014-A Warning...

 

[Riberra]

I think the number would be closer to zero.

Jesus say that those days will be shortened for the ELECT sake....
Matthew 24:22

The bible clearly states that some will be "caught up" (which is where the word "rapture" came from)and instantly changed.

Valid for the believers [THE ELECT] STILL alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS.
1 Thessalonians 4 KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain UNTO the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

As you say the other Christians will be mostly all dead or will have taken the mark...

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus say that those days will be shortened for the ELECT sake....



Valid for the believers [THE ELECT] STILL alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS.
1 Thessalonians 4 KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain UNTO the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

As you say the other Christians will be mostly all dead or will have taken the mark...

You still haven't answered my question... I'm curious. If I'm wrong and the mark comes before the rapture.... I'm going to need a plan... Maybe yours will give me some ideas.... for now... I got nothing.

 

[Riberra]

You still haven't answered my question... I'm curious. If I'm wrong and the mark comes before the rapture.... I'm going to need a plan... Maybe yours will give me some ideas.... for now... I got nothing.

Are you looking for something like an escape plan ... something that may comfort you ?

 

[Dave Watchman]

The blood moons coinciding with key events. Whether these events are apparent right away or made apparent in a year or two by the mere events that they set in motion.

I think that what you say here is a good possibility. If the third moon of the tetrad was signaling the AofD, why did nothing happen. Why are we still here? Why has there been no: "for then there will be great tribulation"?

Lets say "Jerusalem surrounded by armies", was the 1st century equivalent of our end time AofD. When Cestius surrounded Jerusalem he was standing in the holy place. 1500 Ft. around the perimeter wall of the old City of Jerusalem was the land given by God in Numbers 35 to the Levites, a holy place.

When Cestius surrounded Jerusalem in September of 66, that was the Christian sign to get out of the City. For some reason, Cestius abandoned his siege, the Jewish Army chased after him and the Christians had wide open gates to flee from the city unmolested. A Divine window of escape. It wasn't until 2.5 years latter when Titus came and set up the real siege from where there would be no escape.

Fast forward to our end times and use the 1st century tribulation as a template for the time line. If Jerusalem surrounded by armies is the equivalent to our end time abomination of desolation, and if that did occur after the third moon of our tetrad on 6/26/15, 2.5 years latter would put "for then there will be great tribulation", around December of 2017.

 

[Dave Watchman]

You guys forgot about something which is not repeating .

Thanks Sea Horse, I didn't know about this one. This comet just comes from out of a nearly infinite deep space past. Never before seen by a man on the Earth. Just to zoom in through the body of Virgo and become a part of the Revelation 12 sign this year. Unbelievable.

The comet has such a giant elliptical orbit. It was just discovered in March this year. I would recommend this video for anyone interested in the Revelation 12 sign. Taken by itself, it might not mean too much. But put it with everything else and it can give you the goose bump moment.

 

[Ronald]

Well, when nothing happens, I'm sure that someone will find something that happened and attribute it to this "sign", just so they don't walk around with egg on their face.

I will be happy if by October nothing happens. My daughter gets married on 10-4-17, I retire on Nov. 22, I just bought a new house and got a dog that I've wanted for 40 years. I'm on Texas, the best state -- really feels like this is the America that California screwed up. So, I myself will live out my years, play guitar and sing, swim in these beautiful lakes, love my wife and family, maybe answer a call to a new ministry, scramble those eggs and eat em ... But unfortunately, I think the other thing is coming.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I will be happy if by October nothing happens. My daughter gets married on 10-4-17, I retire on Nov. 22, I just bought a new house and got a dog that I've wanted for 40 years. I'm on Texas, the best state -- really feels like this is the America that California screwed up. So, I myself will live out my years, play guitar and sing, swim in these beautiful lakes, love my wife and family, maybe answer a call to a new ministry, scramble those eggs and eat em ... But unfortunately, I think the other thing is coming.

I'm supposed to retire in 2026. And my work is going to a 4 day week where I would get every Friday off. That would be a riot if time goes forward. It would have the feel of an early retirement.

While I don't really know and therefore have no right to say, October looks clear to me. What I see is for the middle weekend of November, and all the way until the last day of the year. The last seven weeks of this year.

What worries me is where I'll be at the very start of the tribulation. Because I think that where we are when it starts is pretty much where we are going to be for the end of the world. So if someone is on a trip to France, I don't think they'll make it back home to the States. Like I hope that it doesn't start while I'm at work in case I can't use my truck to get back 45 miles to where I live. I wouldn't want my kid to fly away on a trip right now.

If no tribulation begins by the end of this year or the very beginning of 2018, I'll be making plans to stay a while longer. I've been putting off some house and car repairs.

And I think that the tribulation is going to be bad, as in understatement time. People are going to think that the gates of hell have opened up. Blood and fire and columns of smoke, a third of the planet burned up. Days latter trumpet #2 falls and a third of the sea. Tsunami's everywhere. Days latter trumpet #3 falls on a continent and destroys it's drinking water. By the time trumpet # 4 falls and darkens a third of the day, people will know that the God of the Bible is back. They will know that the Lord has spoken in his zeal.

Men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the world. The powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

[JacksBratt]

I will be happy if by October nothing happens. My daughter gets married on 10-4-17, I retire on Nov. 22, I just bought a new house and got a dog that I've wanted for 40 years. I'm on Texas, the best state -- really feels like this is the America that California screwed up. So, I myself will live out my years, play guitar and sing, swim in these beautiful lakes, love my wife and family, maybe answer a call to a new ministry, scramble those eggs and eat em ... But unfortunately, I think the other thing is coming.

Sounds like you are truly entering the "golden years".

However, I believe that this "other thing" that is coming, will be so incredibly wonderful that it will make what you have planned feel like being stuck in a traffic jam.

 

[Sanoy]

I will be happy if by October nothing happens. My daughter gets married on 10-4-17, I retire on Nov. 22, I just bought a new house and got a dog that I've wanted for 40 years. I'm on Texas, the best state -- really feels like this is the America that California screwed up. So, I myself will live out my years, play guitar and sing, swim in these beautiful lakes, love my wife and family, maybe answer a call to a new ministry, scramble those eggs and eat em ... But unfortunately, I think the other thing is coming.

Imagine a groom that goes off to build a place for the bride but secretly the bride hopes the groom is delayed. I don't know if the rapture is coming in a month but the consideration has caused me to reflect on my heart for the better. Please prepare your heart as well to be eager for his arrival in any case and any moment.