The Biblical Anti-Christ.

[Riberra]

No, Nimrod is not the angel of the bottomless pit. Nimrod is not over the locust. Nimrod was not an angel, but would have to had become a nephilim, tucked away in his genes that emerged when he got older. If the person as the beast in the bottomless pit is Nimrod.

Do you know that the Bible tell us clearly the Nephilim have for origin the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men .

The Biblical proof
Genesis 6:1-4


As for Nimrod he is a direct descendant of one of the 3 sons of Noah [Ham ]

Biblical proof:
Genesis 10
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, [namely], of Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan: Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Put, and Canaan.

7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah: Sheba, and Dedan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Do you know that the Bible tell us clearly the Nephilim have for origin the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men .

The Biblical proof
Genesis 6:1-4


As for Nimrod he his a direct descendant of one of the 3 sons of Noah [Ham ]
......8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

Yes, I am aware of that. The origin of the Nephilim was angels having sex with human woman. When those offspring grew up, they had children, eventually contaminating the whole human race except for Noah. For Nimrod to have inherited the Nephillim gene it would have been passed down through the wive(s) of the three sons.

 

[Riberra]

Yes, I am aware of that. The origin of the Nephilim was angels having sex with human woman. When those offspring grew up, they had children, eventually contaminating the whole human race except for Noah. For Nimrod to have inherited the Nephillim gene it would have been passed down through the wive(s) of the three sons.

Read carefully Genesis 6:1-4 it say that the Nephilim were also on the Earth AFTER the Flood, THUS BECAUSE of THE SONS OF GOD have AGAIN had sex with human woman .

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTER THAT, WHEN the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

 

[Riberra]

Read from the KJV, the wording gives a completely different meaning. :and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

It is not Abaddon because angels don't die and come back to life, resurrected.

Abaddon will FAKE to be dead... when he will receive the wound at the head .

And Abaddon is not released until the fifth seal.

-Not released until the FIFTH TRUMPET Revelation 9.

Of course ,because the rider of the White Horse [Revelation 6:1-2] is Not the Beast that the whole world shall wonder mentioned in Revelation 17:8...

It doesn't say that the beast will be in power - then Satan gives him his power.

I said that he will be in action masquarading as a human ,a 'man' of great charisma having solution to all the problems...that he will be presented to the World by the UN or the EU sometimes after the opening of the bottomless pit ...Satan will give him his power and authority many months later Revelation 13:3-5.

 

[Hal A Peno]

bhmk

 

[Douggg]

Of course ,because the rider of the White Horse [Revelation 6:1-2] is Not the Beast that the whole world shall wonder mentioned in Revelation 17:8...

Riberra, the rider on the white horse doesn't factor in as why Abaddon is not the beast.

The issue is that Abaddon is still in the pit after the person has become the beast in Revelation 13. The abomination of desolation, image of the beast, made, setting off the great tribulation, the trumpets judgments begin - four of which precede Abaddon's release.

 

[Riberra]

Riberra, the rider on the white horse doesn't factor in as why Abaddon is not the beast.

Abaddon IS the beast who shal ascend out of the Bottomless pit that the world shall wonder Revelation 17:8 cannot be any clearer...

The issue is that Abaddon is still in the pit after the person has become the beast in Revelation 13.

Totally wrong Abaddon will be released when the Bottomless Pit will be opened Revelation 9... which will be many months Before that the events of Revelation 13 happen.

 

[Douggg]

Abaddon IS the beast who shal ascend out of the Bottomless pit that the world shall wonder Revelation 17:8 cannot be any clearer...

Totally wrong Abaddon will be released when the Bottomless Pit will be opened Revelation 9... which will be many months Before that the events of Revelation 13 happen.

Well it says at the fifth trumpet. How do you account for the other four trumpet judgements? Look as the magnitude of those. The person will have already become the beast and the great tribulation stated before Abaddon is released.

 

[Riberra]

Well it says at the fifth trumpet. How do you account for the other four trumpet judgements? Look as the magnitude of those. The person will have already become the beast and the great tribulation stated before Abaddon is released.

[First Seal Revelation 6]
-The rider of the white horse is not about the Beast
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[Second Seal]

The rider of the read horse is not about the Beast...
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The Beast that the World shall wonder will ascend out of the bottomless pit Revelation 17:8.... The Bible define -from where- will come the Biblical Antichrist /The Beast...
We know that THE BEAST IS ATUALLY LOCKED INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT UNTIL THAT THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WILL BE OPENED BY AN ANGEL SEND BY GOD WITH A KEY....THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE 5TH TRUMPET ...
Revelation 9:1-2
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.

2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

So those like you who believe that Trump's son in law Jarred Cushner may be the future antichrist/who will be The Beast, are totally deluded...

 

[Marilyn C]

Revelation 9 is one strange and demonic chapter. For ages, many believed that the locust of Revelation 9 are Islamic. In an Islamic context, the same demons who inspire the jihadist to commit the abominations of the earth, are actually attacking Muslims like scorpions to torment them for 5 months. Most people believe that the '200 million' mentioned in verse 16 is an army from China. That's not so. They are very likely demons AND/OR "jihadist."

This is the chapter suicide bombers are found...
Revelation 9:16-17 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Locust are figurative of the Arabs in the Old Testament, both scorpions and locust have the Mid-East as their natural habitat, especially in Arabia, and in Arabic the word "Arab" and "locust" sound similar.

In Judges 6:5 and 7:12 the Midianites and the Amalekites, who are likely related to the Ishmaelites, are Arab tribes and are associated with grasshoppers or ‘LOCUST.’ Gesenius says that the Midianites are of an Arab nation, and the Amalekites are the descendants of Esau. In Genesis 37:25 the Midianites seem identified with the Ishmaelites. Strong's says Midian or Midianite' = "strife." Nahum says about the Arabs...

"Make thyself many as the locusts." Nah.3:5.

The East wind is mentioned in Revelation 9 and the Islamic terrorism chapter of Habakkuk 1. Locust and the East Wind perfectly describes the Arabs and Muslims goal of world domination through terrorism and demographics, as well as their form of worship. The East wind brought the locust in Exodus 10:13 and is associated with 'falsehood, deceit, and evil'.

Exodus 10:13 And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts.

Speaking of the Arabs, Judges 6:5 say’s...

"For they came up with their cattle and their tents, and they came as grasshoppers for multitude; for both they and their camels were without number: and they entered into the land to destroy it."

Revelation 9:11...

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."(destroyer)

Abaddon and Apollyon, they have something to do with tormenting Muslims who don't repent.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Hi Hal,

That was very interesting, thank you. I have read that a scorpion`s sting can paralyse the person, thus people may be in great torment and wish to die, but due to being paralysed cannot do anything.

`And their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.`(Rev. 9: 5 & 6)

Just a thought. Marilyn.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Hal A Peno]

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[Marilyn C]

I'm not a globalist, (meaning I reject a coming global dictator and one world government and religion) Saddam Hussein nearly had his head ripped off of his body, he's the former king of Babylon.

Isaiah 14....That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Most people would say that's Nebuchadnezzar, and their right. However, verse 7 implies this occurs at the beginning of the millennium.....

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

The whole earth has never been at rest.

Saddam believed he was the re-incarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. He idolized him. Buildings were constructed with bricks bearing both their names. Nebuchadnezzar was his idol.

Interesting that the anti-Christ is also called the wicked counsellor, "There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor."

Here's a good one that aligns with the Assyrian anti-Christ, Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of Iron, and Habakkuk 1 which describes the jihadist.

Nahum 1:1 The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.

Nahum says about Nineveh in verse 11...

"There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor."

The Assyrian anti-Christ is found in Isaiah 10, 14, 30, and Micah 5. This passage tells us the area the anti-Christ will originate. That place is the same place SADDAM HUSSEIN was born!

Nineveh is the ancient capital city of the Assyrian Empire. It is said that this ancient city has produced the world's first dictator. Mesopotamia literally means “between the rivers,” (Acts 7:2-4). This area is the same area where the anti-Christ is mentioned in Isaiah, and the same area Nineveh resided, and the same place Saddam Hussein was born, "between the rivers."

Strong's says about Nineveh..

Capital of the ancient kingdom of Assyria; located on the east bank of the Tigris river, 550 miles (880 km) from its mouth and 250 miles (400 km) north of Babylon
Where does he come from? Here's a good one that aligns with the Assyrian anti-Christ, Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of Iron, and Habakkuk 1 which describes the jihadist.

Another interesting bit....
Jeremiah 30:6-8 speaks of a yoke that will only break at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble.

Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

The 'yoke' is mentioned in the Assyrian antichrist chapters.

Jeremiah 30:7-9 tells us that the yoke will break at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble.

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

This yoke can't be broken until the captivity or the 70 years are accomplished. Now look at how these verses are worded.

Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place. Jeremiah 25:10-11 has yet to be 'completely' fulfilled because Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonian kings never ruled the entire seventy years required to fulfill that prophecy.

The second invasion of Nebuchadnezzar came in 597. Jerusalem was captured, King Jehoichin was deported to Babylon, and Zedekiah was placed on the throne. 2 Kings 24:17 Nebuchadnezzar ascended to the throne of Babylon on the death of his father Nabopolassor in September 605 after defeating the Egyptian armies at the famous battle of Carchemish. Egypt was weakened and Babylon became the greatest gentile power in the world. Daniel, and others were taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar in the same year 2 Kings 24:1. King Jehoiakim was made a vassal at that time, but soon proved rebellious.
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In 605 B.C. Jerusalem was attacked and Daniel and other captives were taken to Babylon. Cyrus the Great gave Jews permission to return to their homeland in 538 BCE..

The math.
605
538

67 years

Bible scholars just can't believe that God would make a mistake about a 70 year prophecy that lasted only 66-67 years. They have attributed the missing 3 1/2 years of it's fulfillment to historical error and some believing God didn't make a mistake in the prophecy, have changed the dates. Most agree that the Babylonian captivity/servitude of Israel didn't last 70 years. It lasted between 66 and 67 years.

Only 66.5 years of the Babylonian captivity has been fulfilled. That leaves three and a half years of "unfulfilled prophecy." That's the precise length of time the end-time anti-Christ is said to reign in the book of Revelation. I heard Dr. David Jeremiah say that even though the captivity did not last 70 years, "That's close enough!"
God doesn't approximate!

The seventy years are not 'accomplished' but will be completely 'fulfilled' in the coming 3 1/2 year reign of the man of sin. Now check out some things about this "Assyrian" who was born between the Euphrates and the Tigris...the middle of ancient Assyria.

On the day Saddam was captured, I think it was the British version of Time Magazine had its articles written and the cover photo done about another very important person. But because of the significance of Saddam's capture, they only had a few days and scrambled to "replace" the cover photo and all the articles of this other person with Saddam's. The person that Saddam replaced was none other than...Jesus Christ. COINCIDENCE?

Hi Hal,

What those who were calculating missed out on was that God tells us that those 70 years are for `sabbaths` not carried out.

`And those who escaped from the sword he carried away to Babylon.....to fulfil the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths. As long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfil seventy years.` (2 Chron. 36: 19 & 20)

And those years are from Israel`s calendar not our Solar one. As you said God is very precise.

Now you also said you didn`t believe in a global government, then what was God saying to Daniel concerning the final part of the Great Image, the times of the Gentiles ruling the world? (Dan. 2)

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Marilyn C]

Be more specific, I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you talking the stone cut out of the mountain without hands that destroyes the image?

Hi Hal,
yes, sorry, I should have been a bit more specific. Now as you said you didn`t think there would be a Global Government to come, (is that right?) then I wondered what you thought of Daniel`s vision of the great Image, which I believe is the `times of the Gentiles` ruling the world. There have been 4 world rulers and it seems to me that there is one world ruler to come - pictorially described as the `feet & toes,` or the `10 horns` of Dan. 7:7.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Marilyn C]

I don't accept the view that the great statue represents the times of the gentiles. I think the purpose of the vision is to show us the area and people who will bring the Lords return. Why do I say this? Because more is said about "the iron and clay" than the four kingdoms themselves. The iron and clay could be the ten horns elsewhere. I say....TWO DIFFERENT CALIPKATES, i.e. the king of the north and south of Daniel 11. One is Sunni, the other is Shia.

Daniel 2 isn't a progression of empires culminating up to today. I don't accept that and I don't approach understanding the heads and horns of any beast as a progression of anything. Daniel 2's gold, silver, bronze, and iron represent ANCTENT word empires. They are...
Babylon = Head of Gold
Mede's = Arms of silver
Persian' s = Thighs of brass
Greeks = Legs of iron.
That view goes back to before Josephus.

Daniel said to Neb...
2:28 "But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days."

What shall be in the latter days? The only thing in the vision that represents the 'latter days' is the iron and clay, but people don't seem to tald about it much.

Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Iron and clay describes the Arabs and the people of Islam. There's over 100 words that describe the iron and clay in Daniel 2, so we should get a pretty good picture of the people it describes. The iron may represent the Sunni sect of Islam. The clay may represent the Shia sect of Islam.

Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar much more about the iron and clay than all of the other kingdoms combined. They’re the people of an end-time kingdom and religion that the Lord returns to destroy. Written for those who are convinced that the iron and clay represent Rome.

The legs of iron are Greece, the toes mingled with iron and clay, come from the geographical area of the ancient Grecian empire.

This is a description of the people of the final kingdom that will bring us to tribulation and Armageddon. Every kingdom of the statue is a Mid-East kingdom and the iron and clay are none other than the Arabs and Muslim's. These are the people who have evolved into Babylon the Great and who want to dominate the world and see Israel destroyed. ISLAM

"And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise."

Besides being divided, the toes of iron and clay are said to subdue (to subdue, crush, shatter, the only place the word is used) all things. The Arabs and Muslim's have subdued nearly every religion in the Mid-East region. How can this be Rome when the word "mingled" used to describe the iron and clay is the Aramaic word 'arab' and denotes an Arabian or Arabia.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...H6151&t=KJVand

Verses 41-43 say the kingdom will be divided, so the iron and clay is a kingdom....and not cleave to one another, and mixed with the seed of men, partly strong, and partly broken. A perfect description the Arabs and Muslim’s and not true of Rome or the EU. The Arab Mid-East Region and ISLAM has always been divided and 'not cleaved to one another.' History, and especially today's world, proves they are divided. Islam have also divided themselves into several different sub-divisions. How can this apply to today's Rome, Italy, or the EU who today are united?

MIXED WITH THE SEED OF MEN

Arab tribes and clans are heavily married into their extended family. The Arabs are among the most intermarried people in the world. The New Living Translation actually uses the word intermarried. Today, the word Arab is a variation of the word 'crossed. The NLT words verse 43 this way....

This mixture of iron and clay also shows that these kingdoms will try to strengthen themselves by forming alliances with each other through intermarriage. But they will not hold together, just as iron and clay do not mix.

Northern Africa has about 250 different Arabic tribes and many clans within them. Iraq has/HAD well over 200 tribes.

The word "mixed" always implies an Arabian or Arabia. It describes the religion of the Mid-east, Islam, and the Arabic people. The ‘little horn’ of Daniel 7 and 8 who takes his stand against the Prince of princes comes out of Alexander’s splintered kingdom and no where else. Specifically, the area of Ninevah. And the ‘king of the north" in Daniel 11 and 12, who exalts himself in the time of the end, comes out of the root of Antiochus, again a fragment of Alexander’s empire. Why then do so many prophecy experts continue to tell us that Rome is somehow the origin of the beast!?

The iron and clay are Islamic, the toes mingled with iron and clay are probably kings…

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Hi Hal,

Just had a closer look and see that we disagree on some of the great Image, however....I definitely agree with you as to the `feet & toes,` so we are on the same page, singing from the same hymnal as they say.

Great, Marilyn.

 

[Riberra]

When the Abomination of Desolation is setup to be worshiped and the Jews fleeing, and then the two witnesses killed, and the persecution of them who refuse to worship the image or the beast.

The Beast is not a human that will be possessed "to become" the Beast,there is no such thing written in the Bible about the Beast.


Revelation 11:7 tell us that the Beast who cometh out of the bottomless pit will kill the 2 witnesses at the end of their allowed time ...do you know that NO HUMANS have the power to hurt the 2 witnesses.

 

[Douggg]

The Beast is not a human that will be possessed "to become" the Beast,there is no such thing written in the Bible about the Beast.

Revelation 13: 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

2Peter2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

The person in Revelation 13 is called a beast metaphorically because he is brutal. But the person is a man.

 

[Riberra]

Revelation 13: 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

2Peter2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

The person in Revelation 13 is called a beast metaphorically because he is brutal. But the person is a man.

Can you tell us who will kill the 2 witnesses ?
Can you tell us where on the Earth is the Beast located ?