COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[stuart lawrence]

If your asking did King David sin when he organized a murder of Bathsheba's husband and took Bathsheba to wife. Absolutely he did. Did King David repent of His sin? Absolutely he did (2Sam 12:13) Did David receive consequences for His sin? Absolutely (2Sam 12:10-14) 1 John 3:6 is in reference to someone in unrepentant sin and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When using the term willful it is referring to unrepentant sin.

Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Now tell me, if David did not repent from his sin was he in a saved state or an unsaved state?

You stated
Anyone who wilfully and knowingly commits sin does not know God.
King David wilfully and knowingly committed sin
So according to your understanding g of scripture he did not know God.
Why not just admit you were wrong, rather than try evasion and deflection

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your repeated quotes from Elias about hypocrisy of not obeying are non applicable,

They are the Words of Jesus not mine my friend. They are applicable because you cannot show one scripture in the all of God’s Word that say that the 4th Commandment (the 7th Day Sabbath) is abolished and we no longer are required to keep it and there is no commandment to keep Sunday as a Holy day. You break God’s commandments by keeping man-made traditions. Now if you break God’s commandments by following man made traditions over the Word of God, how are these scriptures not applicable?

Matthew 15:3-9,
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Now these are the Words of Jesus and they are a warning to us to help us to return to him before it is too late. Do you believe Jesus or not? Remember Jesus also says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:47-48). God’s Word that we have the opportunity today to believe or not will judge us in the last days. Today God’ asks us to receive His Word because none of us know if there will be a tomorrow.

Do you believe God’s Words Stuart?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You stated
Anyone who wilfully and knowingly commits sin does not know God.
King David wilfully and knowingly committed sin
So according to your understanding g of scripture he did not know God.
Why not just admit you were wrong, rather than try evasion and deflection

No these are God's Words you can read them here

When using the term willful it is referring to unrepentant sin.

Hebrews 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1 John 3:6,
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins <unrepentant>hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No one is trying to obey the letter of the Law, especially not me and not one is telling you to. So what is your argument?

Quite simple. You are all over the place. You say I am suggesting gentiles can sin and be saved. According to the letter of the law you sin and believe you are saved.
Then we have your view on knowingly and wilfully committing sin, which would mean David did not know God.
Paul states we may be evident sinners while we seek to be justified in Christ.
For your own sake, say NOTHING unless Saturday sabbath us in the sentance, don't venture further

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Quite simple. You are all over the place. You say I am suggesting gentiles can sin and be saved. According g to the letter if the law you sin and believe you are saved.
Then we have your view in knowingly and wilfully committing g sin, which would mean David did not know God. For your own sake, say NOTHING unless Saturday sabbath bah us in the sentance, don't venture further

Nope not at all I follow God's Words read post 563

So can we get back to the OP now?

 

[stuart lawrence]

They are the Words of Jesus not mine my friend. They are applicable because you cannot show one scripture in the all of God’s Word that say that the 4th Commandment (the 7th Day Sabbath) is abolished and we no longer are required to keep it and there is no commandment to keep Sunday as a Holy day. You break God’s commandments by keeping man-made traditions. Now if you break God’s commandments by following man made traditions over the Word of God, how are these scriptures not applicable?

Matthew 15:3-9,
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Now these are the Words of Jesus and they are a warning to us to help us to return to him before it is too late. Do you believe Jesus or not? Remember Jesus also says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:47-48). God’s Word that we have the opportunity today to believe or not will judge us in the last days. Today God’ asks us to receive His Word because none of us know if there will be a tomorrow.

Do you believe God’s Words Stuart?

It doesn't matter how much scripture you quote, and how much misunderstanding you show. Gentile converts are not asked to observe a set Saturday sabbath.
They can treat one day as more sacred/ holy than another or treat every day alike. And in the chapter that is stated there is no mention of feast days etc

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nope not at all I follow God's Words read post 563

So can we get back to the OP now?

You selectively quote and follow the letter. And you are all over the place with your views, as has clearly been shown, according to scripture

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It doesn't matter how much scripture you quote, and how much misunderstanding you show. Gentile converts are not asked to observe a set Saturday sabbath.
They can treat one day as more sacred/ holy than another or treat every day alike. And in the chapter that is stated there is no mention of feast days etc

Ok friend lets agree to disagree and remain friends. Let God's Word be the judge.
John 12:47-48,
If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You selectively quote and follow the letter. And you are all over the place with your views, as has clearly been shown, according to scripture

Nope not at all I follow God's Word and have answered all your posts. Yet you cannot tell me where the scripture is that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. If you cannot why do you not believe God's Word?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Ok friend lets agree to disagree and remain friends. Let God's Word be the judge.
John 12:47-48,
If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Your problem is this. There was much more Jesus wanted to tell the disciples, but they could not yet bear such knowledge. But when the Holy Spirit was sent, he would guide them into all truth.
Paul had the holy spirit, and was chosen by Christ to be the chief exponent if the NC to the world.
You do not understand Pauls message, for you follow the written code, not the holy spirit

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Tell me Stuart what does the NC mean to you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your problem is this. There was much more Jesus wanted to tell the disciples, but they could not yet bear such knowledge. But when the Holy Spirit was sent, he would guide them into all truth.
Paul had the holy spirit, and was chosen by Christ to be the chief exponent if the NC to the world.
You do not understand Pauls message, for you follow the written code, not the holy spirit

Do you not think Jesus has already sent us the Holy Spirit? This is also part of the NC promise. All of the writers of God's Word had the Holy Spirit and we are to live by all of God's Word not just the scriptures that suit us

 

[stuart lawrence]

Tell me Stuart what does the NC mean to you?

Lol
You told me you wouldn't go off topic a few minutes ago, when you faced with a question you couldn't answer.
Do you want a 21,000 word explanation?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do you not think Jesus has already sent us the Holy Spirit? This is also part of the NC promise

How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Lol
You told me you wouldn't go off topic a few minutes ago, when you faced with a question you couldn't answer.
Do you want a 21,000 word explanation?

If you like but make it in another thread. Lets leave this thread to the OP of Col 2:14-17

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote?

Because your trying to argue that some parts of scripture are not as important as others but God's Word tells us that all scripture is given by inspiration of God. Do you only believe in the New Testament writings?

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you like but make it in another thread. Lets leave this thread to the OP of Col 2:14-17

But you are not consistent. One minute you want to stick to the op, when a point us put you cannot respond to, at other times you are happy not to stick to the op

 

[stuart lawrence]

Because your trying to argue that some parts of scripture are not as important as others but God's Word tells us that all scripture is given by inspiration of God

Quote where I stated some parts of scripture is not as important as other parts?
It is true the NC takes precedence now. But quote my post where I stated what you accuse me of

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But you are not consistent. One minute you want to stick to the op, when a point us put you cannot respond to, at other times you are happy not to stick to the op

It is because you are spamming my thread with all your accusations so I thought if I address them we can get back to the OP. Which is what this thread was made for. So far you want to discuss anything but the OP which is a little sad to me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Quote where I stated some parts of scripture is not as important as other parts?
It is true the NC takes precedence now. But quote my post where I stated what you accuse me of

You wanted me to show you that Christians have to keep God's 4th commandment only using the NT scriptures remember? That is why I am asking you do you not believe the Old Testament scriptures are also for the believer