The Biblical Anti-Christ.

Riberra

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Revelation 9:11 does not say that the beast coming out of the bottomless pit is an angel. Beast is not found anywhere in Revelation 9:11.
That is not a human who will come out of the Bottomless Pit...but the ANGEL ABADDON Revelation 9:11
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You have put together a theory that the beast is Abaddon. But that theory is in error for the reasons I having been giving. That the person becomes the beast before Abaddon is released at the fifth trump.

Riberra, what causes the trumpet judgement to begin?
What will cause the WRATH of GOD to begin in Revelation 16 ?....
 
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Is the end time of the OLD JEWS SYSTEM OF SACRIFICE TO BE SAVED.

Jesus have put a END TO THE
No, the end of the kingdoms of this world being under the dominion of Satan and his angels... and the Return of Jesus, and the kingdoms of this world becoming under the dominion of the Kingdom of God.
 
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What will cause the WRATH of GOD to begin in Revelation 16....
When the Abomination of Desolation is setup to be worshiped and the Jews fleeing, and then the two witnesses killed, and the persecution of them who refuse to worship the image or the beast.

Revelation 16:2 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


But I has asked you what cause the trumpet judgments in Revelation 8 to begin? Abaddon is still in the bottomless pit until the fifth trumpet.
 
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No, the end of the kingdoms of this world being under the dominion of Satan and his angels... and the Return of Jesus, and the kingdoms of this world becoming under the dominion of the Kingdom of God.
Daniel 12 is a prophecy about the Time of Jacob's Troubles...the punishment by God upon the unfaithful Jews ....That prophecy happened in 70 AD....

Jesus by His sacrifice have taken away the continual [burnt-offering]

Daniel 12
11 And from the time that the continual [burnt-offering] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

Remember that many OT SAINTS were resurrected at the Resurrection of Jesus ....you can be sure that DANIEL was one of them...[.and thou shalt stand in thy lot at the end of the days... ]as God tell him to see the end -of the- days of the old Jewish System and the time of Jacob's trouble Ie the WRATH of GOD upon the unfaithful Jews who have rejected Jesus the Messiah and the New Covenant...
 
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But I has asked you what cause the trumpet judgments in Revelation 8 to begin?
The opening of the 7 Th SEAL by Jesus ...
Revelation 8
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets
 
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Daniel 12 is a prophecy about the Time of Jacob's Troubles...the punishment by God upon the unfaithful Jews ....That prophecy happened in 70 AD....

Jesus by His sacrifice have taken away the continual [burnt-offering]

Daniel 12
11 And from the time that the continual [burnt-offering] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

Remember that many OT SAINTS were resurrected at the Resurrection of Jesus ....you can be sure that DANIEL was one of them...[.and thou shalt stand in thy lot at the end of the days... ]as God tell him to see the end -of the- days of the old Jewish System and the time of Jacob's trouble Ie the WRATH of GOD upon the unfaithful Jews who have rejected Jesus the Messiah and the New Covenant...

Daniel 12 is end times, not 70 AD. The resurrection of both the just and unjust did not happen in 70 AD.

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them [of Daniel's people] that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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The opening of the 7 Th SEAL by Jesus ...
Revelation 8
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets
What is causing the judgements of the 7 trumpets on the earth? Why will God be doing that?
 
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What is causing the judgements of the 7 trumpets on the earth? Why will God be doing that?
You asked what will cause the 7 trumpets to begin ....i have provided you what is written in the Bible in Revelation 8 which is the opening of the 7th Seal by Jesus.
Revelation 8:1-2
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

Can you tell us the reason why Jesus will open the 6 TH seal who will cause the Great devastating earthquake mentioned in Revelation 6:12-14 which will happen BEFORE the 7 Trumpets judgment ?
 
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and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.[


2 And many of them [of Daniel's people] that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The Great White Throne Judgment will happen sometimes AFTER the millennium...
Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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You asked what will cause the 7 trumpets to begin ....i have provided you what is written in the Bible in Revelation 8 which is the opening of the 7th Seal by Jesus.
Revelation 8:1-2
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

Can you tell us the reason why Jesus will open the 6 TH seal who will cause the Great devastating earthquake mentioned in Revelation 6:12-14 which will happen BEFORE the 7 Trumpets judgment ?
Riberra, I think you are evading. The trumpet judgement begin because the AoD has been setup to be worshipped and the beast is perscuting them who do not worship him or his image.

The person is already the beast - and four of the trumpet judgment pass before Abaddon is released at the fifth trumpet.

Abaddon has no connection as far as being the beast, nor possessing the beast.
 
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The Great White Throne Judgment will happen sometimes AFTER the millennium...
Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
The point is that the resurrection of Daniel's people is end times. Daniel 12 is end times, not 70 AD.
The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12 is end times. It will be the image of the beast, that the false prophet directs to be made.
 
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Riberra, I think you are evading. The trumpet judgement begin because the AoD has been setup to be worshipped and the beast is perscuting them who do not worship him or his image.
The judgment trumpets will begin when God will decide that the present WORLD system of man which last since Adam and Eve fall in the Garden of Eden, have come to an END...

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The person is already the beast - and four of the trumpet judgment pass before Abaddon is released at the fifth trumpet.
Can you Show us the verses in Revelation saying that the Beast will be in power BEFORE that SATAN give him his power mentioned in Revelation 13:3-5 ?
Revelation 13:3-5
3 And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4 and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?

5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.

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Abaddon has no connection as far as being the beast,
What you claim is the total opposite of what is clearly written in Revelation 17:8 KJV
Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

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nor possessing the beast.
I never said that Abaddon will be possessing someone.
 
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Hi Riberra,

Well you all have covered some ground since I`ve been away. However I do have some thoughts to contribute.

1. It seems to me you are making `Abaddon` into a separate angel from Satan, and giving him more power and authority than Satan. `Abaddon` is the descriptive word to describe Satan`s activity as `destroyer.` Satan has other names also to describe his activities - the devil, the serpent of old, the dragon.

Now remember it says in God`s word that -
`For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the DEVIL.` (1 John 3: 8)

....the devil, is Satan. Abaddon is Satan. The word does not say that Jesus came to destroy the works of another angel called Abaddon.

2. Rev. 17: 8 refers to Abaddon/Satan opening up the bottomless pit, ie releasing the fallen angels there. He ascends out of the bottomless pit,` meaning he went in & opened it up, and released the angels there.

Marilyn.


Hi Riberra,

I think you may have missed my last post, so here it is again.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi Riberra,

I think you may have missed my last post, so here it is again.

regards, Marilyn.
Revelation 19:20 ....Jesus will cast the Beast and the False Prophet into the LAKE OF FIRE

Revelation 20:1-3....Satan will be locked into the Bottomless Pit by an Angel.

Conclusion: Biblical proof that Satan [the DRAGON] is NOT the Beast of Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8...
 
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Revelation 19:22 ....Jesus will cast the Beast and the False Prophet into the LAKE OF FIRE

Revelation 20:1-3....Satan will be locked into the Bottomless Pit by an Angel.

Conclusion: Biblical proof that Satan [the DRAGON] is NOT the Beast of Revelation 13 and Revelation 17:8...

Yes, I agree Riberra, but you have not addressed my points in my post.

Marilyn.
 
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Yes, I agree Riberra, but you have not addressed my points in my post.

Marilyn.
Satan works of deceiving the Nations ...will be destroyed when Satan himself will be cast into the lake of fire...AFTER THE MILLENNIUM.
Revelation 20:7-10
Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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Satan works of deceiving the Nations ...will be destroyed when Satan himself will be cast into the lake of fire...AFTER THE MILLENNIUM.
Revelation 20:7-10
Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Riberra,

This (from my post)is what I would like you to look at -

1. It seems to me you are making `Abaddon` into a separate angel from Satan, and giving him more power and authority than Satan. `Abaddon` is the descriptive word to describe Satan`s activity as `destroyer.` Satan has other names also to describe his activities - the devil, the serpent of old, the dragon.

Marilyn.
 
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Riberra,

This (from my post)is what I would like you to look at -

1. It seems to me you are making `Abaddon` into a separate angel from Satan, and giving him more power and authority than Satan. `Abaddon` is the descriptive word to describe Satan`s activity as `destroyer.` Satan has other names also to describe his activities - the devil, the serpent of old, the dragon.

Marilyn.
Satan will give his authority to Angel Abaddon which is the Beast that the world shall wonder
Do you read the Bible verses i have provided ?

Revelation 13:3-5
3 And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4 and they worshipped the dragon, because HE GAVE HIS AUTHORITY unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast,saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?

5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.
 
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Satan will give his authority to Angel Abaddon which is the Beast that the world shall wonder
Do you read the Bible verses i have provided ?

Revelation 13:3-5
3 And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4 and they worshipped the dragon, because HE GAVE HIS AUTHORITY unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast,saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?

5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.

And where does it say that the `he,` is an angel? Remember that this is the final Gentile Global Government & thus will have a Gentile leader. (Luke 21: 24)

Marilyn.
 
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And where does it say that the `he,` is an angel? Remember that this is the final Gentile Global Government & thus will have a Gentile leader. (Luke 21: 24)

Marilyn.
That will be Satan's form of Government Revelation 13:1...the he-stood upon the sand of the sea is Satan ... [the sea is symbol of the peoples of the Earth.... thus the symbolism give: the world government of Satan rising from among the people .]

Revelation 13:1
and he stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy.

Luke 21:24 have hapened in 70 AD
Luke 21:20-24
20 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.

21 Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein.

22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 
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